DYohn
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Post by DYohn on Feb 18, 2020 18:21:12 GMT -5
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Post by drtrey3 on Feb 18, 2020 18:52:59 GMT -5
Maybe, it will certainly put a kink in the production of new vinyl. I am not at all certain that there is enough money in it to retool.
Trey
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Post by brubacca on Feb 18, 2020 18:54:59 GMT -5
New vinyl expensive. Probably going to get more expensive.
Lots of old vinyl out there.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 20:14:40 GMT -5
Thx for posting DYohn. Heard about the fire, didn't realize the ramifications of it.
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Post by boomzilla on Feb 18, 2020 20:49:56 GMT -5
Sic transit gloria mundi.
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Post by 405x5 on Feb 18, 2020 22:52:46 GMT -5
I was much more upset finding out I could no longer buy a 3D TV set. Bill
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Post by mgbpuff on Feb 19, 2020 8:46:46 GMT -5
Thanks. Kindercore Vinyl Pressing in Athens, Georgia. I live in Athens and I didn't know this existed!
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Post by routlaw on Feb 19, 2020 13:04:18 GMT -5
I'm inclined to believe the industry will "rise from the ashes" of this so called mishap, unfortunate of a set back as it is. There is money still to be made within this segment of the industry not to mention the committed devotion of so many audiophiles, musicians and recording engineers. However I would predict any new plants such as this will not be built in CA.
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Post by KeithL on Feb 19, 2020 14:58:17 GMT -5
I'm afraid that "the death of vinyl" is written in the cards (or on the hard drive)....
There was no "mishap"; vinyl albums simply do not meet the needs or requirements of very many people these days... at least not in light of the alternatives.
There are still people who ride horses for fun...
But, for the vast majority of humans, at least in developed countries, horses will never again become more practical than automobiles...
Likewise, CDs replaced vinyl because, for the vast majority of the market, they are superior to vinyl. And, for a large and continually growing majority of today's market, streaming audio has surpassed CDs.
At the moment vinyl appeals to three distinct market demographics:
The first is people who actually have a large existing collection of content on vinyl or specifically want old content that is only available on vinyl. However... - as those people grow older - that original vinyl eventually wears out - interest in vintage music wanes - more of the vintage music for which there is still active interest is converted into digital formats - the percentage of music that is only available on vinyl declines (I am not aware of ANY new music that is ONLY available on vinyl) That market segment is bound to continue to gradually shrink.
The second demographic group is audiophiles who are convinced that vinyl sounds better. They too are getting older and being replaced with a new generation who is accustomed to, and quite satisfied with, digital media. (And this is driving the availability of more high quality streaming content to satisfy the new market.)
The last demographic group is simply people, many of them young, who have become convinced that "vinyl is cool". However, if you look at some serious articles on the subject, you will find that the "resurgence of vinyl" has already mostly stalled... According to some estimates, as many as 40% of the vinyl albums currently being sold are simply being "collected", and aren't even being played... And, at least to me, there is a significant difference between "a real resurgence" and "the collector and souvenir trade".
The only reason why vinyl sales may actually surpass CD sales sometime soon is that CD sales are currently "winning the race to the bottom"... And streaming music sales now surpass both by a huge and continually growing margin...
I don't doubt that some die-hard audiophiles, including some with large collections of vintage vinyl, will continue to support the vinyl industry for some time to come... And a few new technologies that now make it practical to produce vinyl albums in small quantities will provide some life support for the vinyl industry for the next few years... (Although expensive, some of the new machines are claimed to perform very well, and even to be ecologically friendly.)
However, as high quality streaming becomes more readily available, and the last few "classic albums" become available on digital formats, or are simply forgotten... Vinyl is going to resume its journey into the deep dark beyond...
Where it will join wax cylinder records, wire recordings, cassettes, and VHS tape... And be joined in turn by CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray discs...
I'm inclined to believe the industry will "rise from the ashes" of this so called mishap, unfortunate of a set back as it is. There is money still to be made within this segment of the industry not to mention the committed devotion of so many audiophiles, musicians and recording engineers. However I would predict any new plants such as this will not be built in CA.
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Post by butchgo on Feb 19, 2020 18:09:27 GMT -5
As much as I like occasionally spinning some vinyl 95% of my listening is through Amazon's HD streaming service so I agree that if the vinyl industry went bye bye I would be disappointed but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Post by nesadik on Jan 11, 2021 12:47:29 GMT -5
I think for a special vinyl connoisseur like myself, the disappearance of vinyl records would be a disaster. For me, there is no better sound than the crackling of vinyl records, and to make the sound brighter and cleaner I use a phono cartridge . It delivers the right signal strength, has a stage-like feel, has a neutral tone and balance in the freza response ... I am very, very happy and satisfied with the way my system sounds, and this sound cannot be replaced by any CD.
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Post by garbulky on Jan 11, 2021 15:03:36 GMT -5
I think for a special vinyl connoisseur like myself, the disappearance of vinyl records would be a disaster. For me, there is no better sound than the crackling of vinyl records, and to make the sound brighter and cleaner I use a phono cartridge . It delivers the right signal strength, has a stage-like feel, has a neutral tone and balance in the freza response ... I am very, very happy and satisfied with the way my system sounds, and this sound cannot be replaced by any CD. What is freza?
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Post by daveczski65 on Jan 11, 2021 16:24:42 GMT -5
Saw on news the other day,vinyl sales for 2020 were thru the roof! Makin its comeback
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Post by audiobill on Jan 11, 2021 16:34:13 GMT -5
I'm afraid that "the death of vinyl" is written in the cards (or on the hard drive)....
There was no "mishap"; vinyl albums simply do not meet the needs or requirements of very many people these days... at least not in light of the alternatives.
There are still people who ride horses for fun...
But, for the vast majority of humans, at least in developed countries, horses will never again become more practical than automobiles...
Likewise, CDs replaced vinyl because, for the vast majority of the market, they are superior to vinyl. And, for a large and continually growing majority of today's market, streaming audio has surpassed CDs.
At the moment vinyl appeals to three distinct market demographics:
The first is people who actually have a large existing collection of content on vinyl or specifically want old content that is only available on vinyl. However... - as those people grow older - that original vinyl eventually wears out - interest in vintage music wanes - more of the vintage music for which there is still active interest is converted into digital formats - the percentage of music that is only available on vinyl declines (I am not aware of ANY new music that is ONLY available on vinyl) That market segment is bound to continue to gradually shrink.
The second demographic group is audiophiles who are convinced that vinyl sounds better. They too are getting older and being replaced with a new generation who is accustomed to, and quite satisfied with, digital media. (And this is driving the availability of more high quality streaming content to satisfy the new market.)
The last demographic group is simply people, many of them young, who have become convinced that "vinyl is cool". However, if you look at some serious articles on the subject, you will find that the "resurgence of vinyl" has already mostly stalled... According to some estimates, as many as 40% of the vinyl albums currently being sold are simply being "collected", and aren't even being played... And, at least to me, there is a significant difference between "a real resurgence" and "the collector and souvenir trade".
The only reason why vinyl sales may actually surpass CD sales sometime soon is that CD sales are currently "winning the race to the bottom"... And streaming music sales now surpass both by a huge and continually growing margin...
I don't doubt that some die-hard audiophiles, including some with large collections of vintage vinyl, will continue to support the vinyl industry for some time to come... And a few new technologies that now make it practical to produce vinyl albums in small quantities will provide some life support for the vinyl industry for the next few years... (Although expensive, some of the new machines are claimed to perform very well, and even to be ecologically friendly.)
However, as high quality streaming becomes more readily available, and the last few "classic albums" become available on digital formats, or are simply forgotten... Vinyl is going to resume its journey into the deep dark beyond...
Where it will join wax cylinder records, wire recordings, cassettes, and VHS tape... And be joined in turn by CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray discs...
I'm inclined to believe the industry will "rise from the ashes" of this so called mishap, unfortunate of a set back as it is. There is money still to be made within this segment of the industry not to mention the committed devotion of so many audiophiles, musicians and recording engineers. However I would predict any new plants such as this will not be built in CA. Hmmmm, the premature demise of streaming was predicted too in this very forum!
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Post by DYohn on Jan 11, 2021 16:52:58 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 11, 2021 16:59:33 GMT -5
It appears they have a pressing engagement
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 11, 2021 17:09:03 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on Jan 11, 2021 18:04:48 GMT -5
Just for a little perspective....
I'm afraid that "the death of vinyl" is written in the cards (or on the hard drive)....
There was no "mishap"; vinyl albums simply do not meet the needs or requirements of very many people these days... at least not in light of the alternatives. There are still people who ride horses for fun...
But, for the vast majority of humans, at least in developed countries, horses will never again become more practical than automobiles... Likewise, CDs replaced vinyl because, for the vast majority of the market, they are superior to vinyl. And, for a large and continually growing majority of today's market, streaming audio has surpassed CDs. At the moment vinyl appeals to three distinct market demographics:
The first is people who actually have a large existing collection of content on vinyl or specifically want old content that is only available on vinyl. However... - as those people grow older - that original vinyl eventually wears out - interest in vintage music wanes - more of the vintage music for which there is still active interest is converted into digital formats - the percentage of music that is only available on vinyl declines (I am not aware of ANY new music that is ONLY available on vinyl) That market segment is bound to continue to gradually shrink.
The second demographic group is audiophiles who are convinced that vinyl sounds better. They too are getting older and being replaced with a new generation who is accustomed to, and quite satisfied with, digital media. (And this is driving the availability of more high quality streaming content to satisfy the new market.) The last demographic group is simply people, many of them young, who have become convinced that "vinyl is cool". However, if you look at some serious articles on the subject, you will find that the "resurgence of vinyl" has already mostly stalled... According to some estimates, as many as 40% of the vinyl albums currently being sold are simply being "collected", and aren't even being played... And, at least to me, there is a significant difference between "a real resurgence" and "the collector and souvenir trade".
The only reason why vinyl sales may actually surpass CD sales sometime soon is that CD sales are currently "winning the race to the bottom"... And streaming music sales now surpass both by a huge and continually growing margin...
I don't doubt that some die-hard audiophiles, including some with large collections of vintage vinyl, will continue to support the vinyl industry for some time to come... And a few new technologies that now make it practical to produce vinyl albums in small quantities will provide some life support for the vinyl industry for the next few years... (Although expensive, some of the new machines are claimed to perform very well, and even to be ecologically friendly.)
However, as high quality streaming becomes more readily available, and the last few "classic albums" become available on digital formats, or are simply forgotten... Vinyl is going to resume its journey into the deep dark beyond...
Where it will join wax cylinder records, wire recordings, cassettes, and VHS tape... And be joined in turn by CDs, DVDs, and Blu-Ray discs...
Hmmmm, the premature demise of streaming was predicted too in this very forum! View Attachment
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Post by audiobill on Jan 11, 2021 18:40:53 GMT -5
So, you are telling us you’ve given up on the Emotiva turntable along with all things two channel? Tubes, preamps, dacs, turntables, what’s next?
Admittedly, it takes a lot to mount an “all out assault on the high end “.
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 11, 2021 19:20:56 GMT -5
So, you are telling us you’ve given up on the Emotiva turntable along with all things two channel? Tubes, preamps, dacs, turntables, what’s next? Admittedly, it takes a lot to mount an “all out assault on the high end “. I hope so😜
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