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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 18:59:31 GMT -5
You just want to argue. Have a nice life. Wash your hands. Response to me quoting your article? I may like to argue at times. But if I argue at times that doesn't actually mean I want to argue. And if I am not arguing that isn't a guarantee that I am not going to argue for good. In all seriousness there's a difference between argument and debate. Provider of quack pseudoscientist and hogwash articles as well as refuted by true science through "Politifact" checking, William
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 15, 2020 19:30:16 GMT -5
FYI, COVID-19 is not a flu, it is a viral pneumonia. This is why it is more dangerous to older folks, especially those with underlying lung conditions. But it is not a flu, which is much more easily spread person to person. You have to actually touch or be coughed on by an infected person - being int he same proximity won't do it. It's not air-borne like a flu can be. People hoarding toilet paper and food because they might be ordered to self-quarantine for 14 days are only making Procter and Gamble rich. And hoarding water? WTF people, will the virus make your pipes stop working? Chill. Be safe. Wash your damn hands. Practice social distancing. And most of all chill. I’ve been practicing social distancing. Painting bathroom cabinets is time consuming with the sanding, TSP cleaning, priming, two coats of paint and then the new hardware. Now that I’ve finally finished my bathrooms, the kitchen cabinets are next, and there’s waaaaay more of them to do, so even more social distancing this week for me! This project couldn’t have had better timing, and yes I’m actually sometimes watching the paint dry!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 19:37:44 GMT -5
FYI, COVID-19 is not a flu, it is a viral pneumonia. This is why it is more dangerous to older folks, especially those with underlying lung conditions. But it is not a flu, which is much more easily spread person to person. You have to actually touch or be coughed on by an infected person - being int he same proximity won't do it. It's not air-borne like a flu can be. People hoarding toilet paper and food because they might be ordered to self-quarantine for 14 days are only making Procter and Gamble rich. And hoarding water? WTF people, will the virus make your pipes stop working? Chill. Be safe. Wash your damn hands. Practice social distancing. And most of all chill. I’ve been practicing social distancing. Painting bathroom cabinets is time consuming with the sanding, TSP cleaning, priming, two coats of paint and then the new hardware. Now that I’ve finally finished my bathrooms, the kitchen cabinets are next, and there’s waaaaay more of them to do, so even more social distancing this week for me! . This project couldn’t have had better timing. Following your lead bro: www.disqus.social/2020/02/i-had-no-idea.htmlHilarious [coincidence]. And DYohn I hope we may disagree and still be "fellow" audio enthusiasts. Wishing you both a blessed evening, William
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 15, 2020 19:51:41 GMT -5
I’ve been practicing social distancing. Painting bathroom cabinets is time consuming with the sanding, TSP cleaning, priming, two coats of paint and then the new hardware. Now that I’ve finally finished my bathrooms, the kitchen cabinets are next, and there’s waaaaay more of them to do, so even more social distancing this week for me! . This project couldn’t have had better timing. Following your lead bro: www.disqus.social/2020/02/i-had-no-idea.htmlHilarious [coincidence]. And DYohn I hope we may disagree and still be "fellow" audio enthusiasts. Wishing you both a blessed evening, William Nice job, and looks great. My cabinets are Behr paint color “Ultra Pure White” and when I get to the walls they’ll be “Graycloth”. Hardware from Amazon, and for those that may be planning this in the future, a Black & Decker Mouse electric sander saves you lots of ache muscles after sanding.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 19:58:35 GMT -5
Nice job, and looks great. My cabinets are Behr paint color “Ultra Pure White” and when I get to the walls they’ll be “Graycloth”. Hardware from Amazon, and for those that may be planning this in the future, a Black & Decker Mouse electric sander saves you lots of ache muscles after sanding. Question, I'm a little nervous about my decision to paint the cabinets because normal use has chipped or scratched the painting off to the point where I can see the dark under base. Are you using a clear coat over the paint? I'm thinking I might end up spending for a clear coat. Tomorrow I plan to finish the cabinets. I'll touch up what has shown use after only a week of the paint curing. I used an oil paint for FYI. Something that wasn't available in CA. The oil paint has a nice way of sticking to just about everything. The reason I used the color I did was because of the open floor plan where the Tekton Design speakers painted in Benjamin Moore silver half dollar reside. I wanted a way to pull the colors together. Like you I found the Amazon hardware to be the best value. I'm going to start the last of the kitchen cabinets tomorrow and plan to be done by Wed. Then one bathroom left. When you stated what you did about finishing the cabinets I wondered for a moment whether you were mocking me because of the extreme coincidence lol. Glad I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Happy finishing! Enjoy, William
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Post by LCSeminole on Mar 15, 2020 20:22:53 GMT -5
Nice job, and looks great. My cabinets are Behr paint color “Ultra Pure White” and when I get to the walls they’ll be “Graycloth”. Hardware from Amazon, and for those that may be planning this in the future, a Black & Decker Mouse electric sander saves you lots of ache muscles after sanding. Question, I'm a little nervous about my decision to paint the cabinets because normal use has chipped or scratched the painting off to the point where I can see the dark under base. Are you using a clear coat over the paint? I'm thinking I might end up spending for a clear coat. Tomorrow I plan to finish the cabinets. I'll touch up what has shown use after only a week of the paint curing. I used an oil paint for FYI. Something that wasn't available in CA. The oil paint has a nice way of sticking to just about everything. The reason I used the color I did was because of the open floor plan where the Tekton Design speakers painted in Benjamin Moore silver half dollar reside. I wanted a way to pull the colors together. Like you I found the Amazon hardware to be the best value. I'm going to start the last of the kitchen cabinets tomorrow and plan to be done by Wed. Then one bathroom left. When you stated what you did about finishing the cabinets I wondered for a moment whether you were mocking me because of the extreme coincidence lol. Glad I gave you the benefit of the doubt. Happy finishing! Enjoy, William I have natural wood cabinets that were varnished so I didn’t have to paint over previous paint. I got my paint color from Home Depot but bought the matched color from SherwinWilliams. They recommended their Urethane Trim Enamel paint for cabinets and said nothing about a clear coat. I’m by no means a painter nor do I like painting, so I went on their recommendations for what to use, and I’m really liking the end result. Oh yeah, I would never mock anyone taking on this diy project, it’s quite time consuming and tiring.
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Post by DavidR on Mar 15, 2020 20:32:50 GMT -5
The worst part of this besides life disruption is the hoarding. No one needs a years worth of TP. People need to use their brains. My wife is a doctor and has been quite level-headed about the virus UNTIL we went grocery shopping. We go early on Friday mornings when its slow. When we got there the parking lot was full. My wife immediately noticed and had me leave her at the door. (Keep in mind we had 2 good sized packs of TP in the basement). We always take the same route thru the store. NOPE. The place was worse than the day before Thanksgiving. I found my wife in the paper goods aisle with TWO carts and had one loaded with paper towels. The other with kleenex and napkins. There was NO toilet paper and she went into survival mode. Her sister was the same way and was roaming the towns for possible TP at all hours, everyday. To a woman no TP is the worst thing that can happen. I was throwing the paper towels back into the shelves and telling her she has lost her mind. The rest of the shopping experience was similar. OMG ! At least on the way home we joked about strategy and I said we could live off of the squirrels in the backyard.
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Post by 4thchoice on Mar 15, 2020 20:49:48 GMT -5
My sister (an ER nurse) posted this on FB, it is from a co-worker of hers:
I’m an intensive care specialist in a small city.
Coronavirus isn’t just like the flu, but it’s only really very dangerous to the elderly or the already unwell. Quite a lot of people in their 80s will die, but most of the rest of us will probably be okay.
If you’re in your 70s and you get Coronavirus, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 60s and you have a heart attack, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 50s and need bowel cancer surgery, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 40s and have a bad car accident, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 30s and have terrible pre-eclampsia as a complication of pregnancy, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 20s and have a bad reaction to a party drug, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
I have 7 beds equipped with life support machines. We have a plan to increase to about 25. Getting more isn’t a matter or more equipment or more money, that bit is easy. There are not enough skilled staff, even if we all work double shifts every day for six months (and we probably will).
If 50% of my city gets infected, that’s 75,000 people. If 5% of them need life support (which is the estimate), that’s 3750 people. For 25 beds.
And then I might not have a bed for you.
So it’s up to you to flatten the curve. Wash your hands. Stay home.
Just a thought.
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 15, 2020 21:13:15 GMT -5
...normal use has chipped or scratched the painting off to the point where I can see the dark under base... There's an old painters' saying, William: "A coat of paint hides a multitude of sins." Small to medium chips are filled in with the new paint coat and are mostly invisible.
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Post by novisnick on Mar 15, 2020 23:42:04 GMT -5
My sister (an ER nurse) posted this on FB, it is from a co-worker of hers:
I’m an intensive care specialist in a small city.
Coronavirus isn’t just like the flu, but it’s only really very dangerous to the elderly or the already unwell. Quite a lot of people in their 80s will die, but most of the rest of us will probably be okay.
If you’re in your 70s and you get Coronavirus, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 60s and you have a heart attack, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 50s and need bowel cancer surgery, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 40s and have a bad car accident, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 30s and have terrible pre-eclampsia as a complication of pregnancy, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 20s and have a bad reaction to a party drug, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
I have 7 beds equipped with life support machines. We have a plan to increase to about 25. Getting more isn’t a matter or more equipment or more money, that bit is easy. There are not enough skilled staff, even if we all work double shifts every day for six months (and we probably will).
If 50% of my city gets infected, that’s 75,000 people. If 5% of them need life support (which is the estimate), that’s 3750 people. For 25 beds.
And then I might not have a bed for you.
So it’s up to you to flatten the curve. Wash your hands. Stay home.
Just a thought.
A very rational and true statement! Doesn’t get any more real then this. The IC bed is the remedy, we won’t have a cure. Please, Wash your hands! Folks like me are depending on you. God Bless
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2020 23:46:17 GMT -5
My sister (an ER nurse) posted this on FB, it is from a co-worker of hers:
I’m an intensive care specialist in a small city.
Coronavirus isn’t just like the flu, but it’s only really very dangerous to the elderly or the already unwell. Quite a lot of people in their 80s will die, but most of the rest of us will probably be okay.
If you’re in your 70s and you get Coronavirus, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 60s and you have a heart attack, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 50s and need bowel cancer surgery, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 40s and have a bad car accident, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 30s and have terrible pre-eclampsia as a complication of pregnancy, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
If you’re in your 20s and have a bad reaction to a party drug, you’ve got a really good chance of survival. If I’ve got a bed for you.
I have 7 beds equipped with life support machines. We have a plan to increase to about 25. Getting more isn’t a matter or more equipment or more money, that bit is easy. There are not enough skilled staff, even if we all work double shifts every day for six months (and we probably will).
If 50% of my city gets infected, that’s 75,000 people. If 5% of them need life support (which is the estimate), that’s 3750 people. For 25 beds.
And then I might not have a bed for you.
So it’s up to you to flatten the curve. Wash your hands. Stay home.
Just a thought.
A very rational and true statement! Doesn’t get any more real then this. The IC bed is the remedy, we won’t have a cure. Please, Wash your hands! Folks like me are depending on you. God Bless One of the very first "responses" I saw by the POTUS was to activate the military in supplying quarantine areas across the nation. Just wondering whether people think the military medical staff and the POTUS call on this was "right"?
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Post by novisnick on Mar 16, 2020 0:03:39 GMT -5
A very rational and true statement! Doesn’t get any more real then this. The IC bed is the remedy, we won’t have a cure. Please, Wash your hands! Folks like me are depending on you. God Bless One of the very first "responses" I saw by the POTUS was to activate the military in supplying quarantine areas across the nation. Just wondering whether people think the military medical staff and the POTUS call on this was "right"? God knows at this point. 🙏 Taking precautionary measures can’t hurt.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Mar 16, 2020 0:11:39 GMT -5
Richard Hobday may have some valid points, but he uses himself as footnote references for validity, and although some of the citations from 1918 may be valid there is a purposeful gap of nearly 50 years in his citations; did science stand still?
Having read the entire article I would say the author is trying to sell his book. His final few citations to actual scientific papers, pulls single short sentences without context. All in all the article would never pass a scientific peer review.
"Dr. Hobday has his PhD in engineering, but seems to use the title of Doctor to let people infer he is an MD; my nephew has a PhD in Geology, but I'm not taking medical advice from him.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Mar 16, 2020 0:19:22 GMT -5
One of the very first "responses" I saw by the POTUS was to activate the military in supplying quarantine areas across the nation. Just wondering whether people think the military medical staff and the POTUS call on this was "right"? It wasn't one of his very first responses, but it was right. Again, we need to follow the path South Korea has taken, not Italy, and we seem to be moving in the right direction. The hardest thing is going to be not touching ones face. The speed with which this has spread shows how highly contagious it is, and even if the fatality rate turns out to be only .2% (where S. Korea is trending) that's still twice the annual rate for the flu. The biggest part is to take these measures so when people do need care, it's not all at once and there are not more patients needing hospitalization than there are hospital beds; be careful, you'll probably get better if you get Covid-19, but your odds go down if we all get it at about the same time.
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Post by adaboy on Mar 16, 2020 0:21:37 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why they closed the schools in my area for 2-3 weeks. Not 1 confirmed case... This is mind boggling.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2020 0:38:49 GMT -5
Richard Hobday may have some valid points, but he uses himself as footnote references for validity, and although some of the citations from 1918 may be valid there is a purposeful gap of nearly 50 years in his citations; did science stand still? Having read the entire article I would say the author is trying to sell his book. His final few citations to actual scientific papers, pulls single short sentences without context. All in all the article would never pass a scientific peer review. "Dr. Hobday has his PhD in engineering, but seems to use the title of Doctor to let people infer he is an MD; my nephew has a PhD in Geology, but I'm not taking medical advice from him. Ya, Hobday is using history and the references from which his narrative are validated point back to the past. No doubt the citations from 1918 are being used purposefully. As to whether science still stands? This isn't like one scientific paradigm being rejected for another, example Newtonian for Relativity. Either the information stated is a fact or not. Either what we know about virus up to this point is pertinent or we have no knowledge whatsoever about the current virus. Then again, what science stated as fact in the past example of scientific paradigms was found not wholly inadequate in Newtonian theory but completely wrong after the introduction of Einstein's Relativity, though Newtonian law was completely adequate until the discovery of later planets in which orbits could not be predicted. Is this what has become of all we know concerning the Coronavirus? I mean it is common sense people. Do you think sticking a bunch of people in a closed "bag" with a non circulating air environment in darkness is going to lead to greater sickness or not? I mean really? Dr Hobday might have his Phd in engineering as you say. And I think this is a valid point if it weren't for his references. After all, I think those using the "Science guy" Bill Nye which is a mechanical engineer as a scientist is pretty much a joke as to whether he himself is an authority on the universe's origins. Granted, just because someone has a Dr in front of their name doesn't mean that the information that thus follows is correct. Dr doesn't mean that the title holder is an infallible source of information as dare we say, God. Likewise, should I lend you credibility or discredit you for having or not having a Dr. before your name when commenting on the article in question? The references which are "footnoted" from "medically" founded sources on which he bases his opinion, are they correct or not? And what happens when the scientific community becomes divided? That is, when the questionnaire begins to ask who to believe and finds evidence on either side of the issue? If facts change, that is what is true is later not true then how does that not discredit the source such as the scientific community of which we speak? I mean c'mon, if one religious group keeps saying this is going to happen on a certain day and the prediction never comes true they lose all credibility. Why doesn't "science" lose credibility when the community of scientist becomes divided and the scientific paradigms of the day are proven wrong? As far as what passes as a peer review I'd like to point to the opposition by DYohn and his Politifacts check. The Politifact article states that "some" scientist disagree, therefore, the basis of fact checking is whether all are agreeable unanimously. I mean, by that standard one cannot say that global cooling, warming, and now climate change are scientific facts without controversy because not all parties agree, right? C'mon at least see and admit the double standard here.
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Post by Priapulus on Mar 16, 2020 6:24:17 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why they closed the schools in my area for 2-3 weeks. Not 1 confirmed case... This is mind boggling. Kids don't get very sick in this disease, so we don't take them seriously. All it takes is one kid with a bit of a cough to come to school for a couple of days with this highly infectious disease, and a week later you have 500 kids with a bit of a cough. These kids go home and crawl over everyone (the way kids do) and make their parents very sick, and kill their grandparents. By the time you see confirmed cases, it's already too late. Sincerely /b p.s. We know what needs to be done. Just look at the success and failures of China, Korea, Iran, Italy and Germany. We just need the balls to do it before it's too late. Wait and see, will kill you.
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Post by brubacca on Mar 16, 2020 6:56:26 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why they closed the schools in my area for 2-3 weeks. Not 1 confirmed case... This is mind boggling. Because of how people and this virus travels. People can be infecting others before they show symptoms. The time period of symptoms to show is about 2-3 weeks. If you isolate everyone for 2-3 weeks the people who have it should develop visible signs without infecting others. Then in the three weeks only those tested positive with covid-19 can stay in quarentine and the rest of us can live our lives. Thats what I understand to be happening. I could be wrong and I'm not a doctor. Just a concerned guy with many relatives and a child in what would be an at risk group.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Mar 16, 2020 8:18:11 GMT -5
There are standards for peer review that apply to all articles. Saying scientists disagree about climate change is factually true, but disingenuous. If one were to stack up those papers (not unsupported opinions) which would pass peer review standards on either side of the question, the vast majority say climate change is occurring at a faster pace due to human intervention (read on, there is someone I've delineated actual articles for - a lot of work). The reason I mention peer review standards is because intelligent people in rational discourse understand you can't prove a negative, but the general public falls for that all the time. Shimei, you remind me of a good friend of mine. We share office space, and sometimes we talk politics. He thinks it's funny how the office staff can hear us argue emphatically over certain things (sometimes baiting each other), and then get up from my office (he always likes to escape to my office) laughing, smiling and saying "you want to go out to lunch." When we do that the staff looks at us like we're crazy; his point is you can not just debate, but argue without it getting personal. On that note, here's a link to an interesting article on the 1918 Flu Epidemic, which talks about the effect of social distancing. 1918 - Why Social Distancing Works
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Post by ÈlTwo on Mar 16, 2020 8:22:41 GMT -5
I'm trying to figure out why they closed the schools in my area for 2-3 weeks. Not 1 confirmed case... This is mind boggling. It is an effective measure, since the virus has a 14 day incubation period, and if people, during that time, practice Social Distancing, the pace of the spread can be slowed. Social Distancing, along with hand washing and not touching one's face, are the the measures that slow the spread so when people who are infected need treatment beds are available. If nobody reads anything else I post, please look at this:
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