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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 12:03:50 GMT -5
Coronavirus COVID-19 is a Chinese virus, period!
Noriko laughs at the racist/zenophobic claims. 98.1 % of Japan's population are of Japanese ethnicity and another 1.5% are other Asians. The Japanese all know where this virus originated in spite of the Chinese government trying to conceal the facts. My wife was on Plaquenil (Hydroxychloroquine) some years ago for RA/Sjogren's. It is not one of the endless phony holistic drugs that the supplement stores push, nor is it a cure for this virus. It so far seems to show some promise. Please push the holistic nonsense somewhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 12:35:23 GMT -5
One HUGE point is body pH of 7-7.5 is a MUST to fight disease. People with pH of 7-7.5 don't get cancer and that's a FACT (there may be exceptions due to environmental) Your health all comes down to OXIDATIVE Stress. That's why anti-oxidants are talked about all the time. We got to be careful with misinformation. The body controls its own blood PH levels. You are not able to change the ph value of the body by ingesting substances (like alkaline water for instance). This whole alkaline thing is based on fake science. There's no fact that people with a ph of 7-7.5 don't get cancer. Normal blood PH is 7.35-7.45. Clearly people in this range (which is almost everybody) get cancer regularly. My suggestion is that if somebody posits something as true, look at the true experimental evidence performed. Because if it's ever a miracle cure, they better have some proper scientific proof. WROMG, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT pH is HUGE factor in health
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Post by klinemj on Mar 17, 2020 12:41:20 GMT -5
Here's a good website for tracking global data. Check the Italy page and note the downturn in the graph titled "Newly Infected vs. Newly Recovered" If the downward tick in newly infected continues for 2-3 more days - they are heading in the right direction. I'll be watching this site to see when the US rise stops. Right now, we're still in the very early part of the rising phase. I don't expect an inflection for at least 2-3 weeks, maybe more depending on how well people follow the recommended guidelines. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2pdkIpKOx4-p839O6OR1EbJt1Nll8A9aMcbhYo1PkYVYHAibFEtfsn-lU OR just --->CLICK HERE<---Mark
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Post by simpleman68 on Mar 17, 2020 12:44:57 GMT -5
Here's a good website for tracking global data. Check the Italy page and note the downturn in the graph titled "Newly Infected vs. Newly Recovered" If the downward tick in newly infected continues for 2-3 more days - they are heading in the right direction. I'll be watching this site to see when the US rise stops. Right now, we're still in the very early part of the rising phase. I don't expect an inflection for at least 2-3 weeks, maybe more depending on how well people follow the recommended guidelines. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2pdkIpKOx4-p839O6OR1EbJt1Nll8A9aMcbhYo1PkYVYHAibFEtfsn-lU OR just --->CLICK HERE<---Mark It's interesting to try to analyze some of the prediction models as there are so many outliers. Most of them seem to "predict" a peak in the US in another 22-24 days before it tapers off.
It's also exciting to see some small break throughs with other meds that assist in the healing process like malaria meds and oxygen therapy. Scott
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Post by garbulky on Mar 17, 2020 12:59:52 GMT -5
We got to be careful with misinformation. The body controls its own blood PH levels. You are not able to change the ph value of the body by ingesting substances (like alkaline water for instance). This whole alkaline thing is based on fake science. There's no fact that people with a ph of 7-7.5 don't get cancer. Normal blood PH is 7.35-7.45. Clearly people in this range (which is almost everybody) get cancer regularly. My suggestion is that if somebody posits something as true, look at the true experimental evidence performed. Because if it's ever a miracle cure, they better have some proper scientific proof. WROMG, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT pH is HUGE factor in health I have education and an accredited degree in this area. I can assure you that what I am saying is accurate. If somebody is telling you different, they are parroting fake science. Now don't get me wrong, when your ph goes out of whack it is a big medical problem because at that point the patient is very very sick. But its usually a secondary problem to a major illness like total kidney failure that has caused it. It is not that "a person ate acidic foods". Want proof? Drink alkaline water and eat "alkaline foods" and get a blood test. Then drink regular water and "acidic foods" take a blood test. You'll find that the blood PH stays the same no matter how hard you try. The body is very good at regulating the body ph between 7.35 and 7 .45. The body has powerful buffer systems that keep the PH level between 7.35 to 7.45. These are The respiratory system The renal (kidneys) system Other related things like proteins in the blood, hemoglopbin that maintain a ph level that is tightly regulated. More info here (Anatomy and physiology by Rice University, TX) opentextbc.ca/anatomyandphysiology/chapter/26-4-acid-base-balance/Summary: a person cannot ingest certain types of food and drink to make their body "more alkaline". If they could do so, something has gone wrong with their own PH regulation system. If you have any questions, I would be glad to answer them.
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 17, 2020 13:08:16 GMT -5
I have education and an accredited degree in this area... He does. Not just BS. What he says is trustworthy.
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Post by klinemj on Mar 17, 2020 13:35:49 GMT -5
Here's a good website for tracking global data. Check the Italy page and note the downturn in the graph titled "Newly Infected vs. Newly Recovered" If the downward tick in newly infected continues for 2-3 more days - they are heading in the right direction. I'll be watching this site to see when the US rise stops. Right now, we're still in the very early part of the rising phase. I don't expect an inflection for at least 2-3 weeks, maybe more depending on how well people follow the recommended guidelines. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2pdkIpKOx4-p839O6OR1EbJt1Nll8A9aMcbhYo1PkYVYHAibFEtfsn-lU OR just --->CLICK HERE<---Mark It's interesting to try to analyze some of the prediction models as there are so many outliers. Most of them seem to "predict" a peak in the US in another 22-24 days before it tapers off. It's also exciting to see some small break throughs with other meds that assist in the healing process like malaria meds and oxygen therapy. Scott
As the saying goes "all models are wrong and some are useful". When an otherwise good/useful model fails to be predictive, it's because there was an embedded assumption that's not being followed/not in place. What I like about the link I shared is that it's mostly just data on what's actually happening - not a model. Mark
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 14:15:55 GMT -5
Here's a good website for tracking global data. Check the Italy page and note the downturn in the graph titled "Newly Infected vs. Newly Recovered" If the downward tick in newly infected continues for 2-3 more days - they are heading in the right direction. I'll be watching this site to see when the US rise stops. Right now, we're still in the very early part of the rising phase. I don't expect an inflection for at least 2-3 weeks, maybe more depending on how well people follow the recommended guidelines. www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR2pdkIpKOx4-p839O6OR1EbJt1Nll8A9aMcbhYo1PkYVYHAibFEtfsn-lU OR just --->CLICK HERE<---Mark It's interesting to try to analyze some of the prediction models as there are so many outliers. Most of them seem to "predict" a peak in the US in another 22-24 days before it tapers off.
It's also exciting to see some small break throughs with other meds that assist in the healing process like malaria meds and oxygen therapy. Scott
Indeed. Was just talking to my daughter who is a RN and she was trying to break down the Corona Virus for me in a summation for dummies. Lot of things going on and misinformation. She began first by stating the Coronavirus has been around for decades. Then she moved onto more deadly strains which she explained as being developed from "mixing species" which makes them all the more deadly. As I listened to her talk about various virus including bird, swine and this 19 C.V. I couldn't help but reflect on a "series" of books that I've read on this very thing that explicitly states "do not mix species" as well as all the warnings of how unclean birds and swine are. I haven't fact checked what she told me. On another note I really haven't been worried selfishly as CV hasn't impacted my life until four days ago. Beginning with church service and now empty grocery stores. Been trying to follow the State Health Board recommendations and even the POTUS who says do not hoard. Hoping I won't have to compensate for "everyone else" ignoring the recommendations. Hear of any talk about a Medical Martial Law yet?
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Post by DavidR on Mar 17, 2020 14:23:54 GMT -5
............................................................................................................. Here of any talk yet about a Medical Martial Law yet? Yes, but only peoples suspicions.
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Post by DYohn on Mar 17, 2020 14:40:00 GMT -5
Perhaps someone should start a different thread titled "COVID-19 conspiracy theories and pseudoscience discussion"
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Post by simpleman68 on Mar 17, 2020 14:53:55 GMT -5
It's interesting to try to analyze some of the prediction models as there are so many outliers. Most of them seem to "predict" a peak in the US in another 22-24 days before it tapers off. It's also exciting to see some small break throughs with other meds that assist in the healing process like malaria meds and oxygen therapy. Scott
As the saying goes "all models are wrong and some are useful". When an otherwise good/useful model fails to be predictive, it's because there was an embedded assumption that's not being followed/not in place. What I like about the link I shared is that it's mostly just data on what's actually happening - not a model. Mark The only snag with this data is that it relies on humans to report it. I can tell you our virologist, doctors and a few others on the ground in China have told me repeatedly that it is their assertion that the infected numbers are being greatly under-reported. Of course this isn't true to the scientific method either but they get a lot of credence in my book as they are near ground zero, just East of Wuhan in a "safer" zone. They are not prone to exaggeration and tend to be very exacting, in my experience. I've worked closely with one of them for over 15 years and he's a solid guy and a professor at Shanghai Normal University.
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Post by simpleman68 on Mar 17, 2020 14:55:47 GMT -5
Perhaps someone should start a different thread titled "COVID-19 conspiracy theories and pseudoscience discussion" What are ya lookin' to overload the servers here? Scott
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Post by klinemj on Mar 17, 2020 15:41:50 GMT -5
As the saying goes "all models are wrong and some are useful". When an otherwise good/useful model fails to be predictive, it's because there was an embedded assumption that's not being followed/not in place. What I like about the link I shared is that it's mostly just data on what's actually happening - not a model. Mark The only snag with this data is that it relies on humans to report it. I can tell you our virologist, doctors and a few others on the ground in China have told me repeatedly that it is their assertion that the infected numbers are being greatly under-reported. Of course this isn't true to the scientific method either but they get a lot of credence in my book as they are near ground zero, just East of Wuhan in a "safer" zone. They are not prone to exaggeration and tend to be very exacting, in my experience. I've worked closely with one of them for over 15 years and he's a solid guy and a professor at Shanghai Normal University.
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I've heard a lot of people say this kind of thing. And frankly - that's a risk with ALL human-reported data, however...there's no logical reason to believe that the under-reporting varies daily. So, let's say day #1 is under-reported, as is day 2, 3, 4, 5...if all are equally under-reported, the absolute (or true) value is off daily, but the trends of rising or falling remain the same. The only way that cannot be true is if the amount of under-reporting suddenly changes dramatically. If anything, I would expect early numbers to be low estimates of "Truth" because of lack of availability of test kits initially. Once test kits are around in good supply, then the only variation from "truth" is the difference between truth and an average value of under-reporting. So, if anything - the low initial numbers may be an under-estimate, but that would also mean that once a drop is being seen - the drop it real. The absolute value of the peak may be a low estimate, but...down would still mean down. Mark
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 15:42:08 GMT -5
Perhaps someone should start a different thread titled "COVID-19 conspiracy theories and pseudoscience discussion" As well people read things into context so there's no need for a thread of such nature specifically. For example, just report the facts and someone might jump to....... 1) In Wuhan China there's Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory. 2) Deadliest viruses in the world are there. 3) COVID-19 started in Wuhan. 4) Scott has people in Wuhan 5) Scott communicates with people in Wuhan 6) Assumption, people Scott communicates with in Wuhan are still alive 7a) Recommendation: do what Scott's associates in Wuhan are doing to stay alive 7b) Recommenation: Do what Scott does to stay alive while contacting people in Wuhan 8) May not follow the scientific method, that is, may be declared later as pseudoscience according to politifact.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 15:44:56 GMT -5
The only snag with this data is that it relies on humans to report it. I can tell you our virologist, doctors and a few others on the ground in China have told me repeatedly that it is their assertion that the infected numbers are being greatly under-reported. Of course this isn't true to the scientific method either but they get a lot of credence in my book as they are near ground zero, just East of Wuhan in a "safer" zone. They are not prone to exaggeration and tend to be very exacting, in my experience. I've worked closely with one of them for over 15 years and he's a solid guy and a professor at Shanghai Normal University.
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I've heard a lot of people say this kind of thing. And frankly - that's a risk with ALL human-reported data, however...there's no logical reason to believe that the under-reporting varies daily. So, let's say day #1 is under-reported, as is day 2, 3, 4, 5...if all are equally under-reported, the absolute (or true) value is off daily, but the trends of rising or falling remain the same. The only way that cannot be true is if the amount of under-reporting suddenly changes dramatically. If anything, I would expect early numbers to be low estimates of "Truth" because of lack of availability of test kits initially. Once test kits are around in good supply, then the only variation from "truth" is the difference between truth and an average value of under-reporting. So, if anything - the low initial numbers may be an under-estimate, but that would also mean that once a drop is being seen - the drop it real. The absolute value of the peak may be a low estimate, but...down would still mean down. Mark Just pointing out the dire consequences of "under reporting". Oxygen ventilators may not be readily available inventory when helping treat the infected here in America. Sincerely, Mr. Obvious
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Post by klinemj on Mar 17, 2020 15:53:00 GMT -5
She began first by stating the Coronavirus has been around for decades. You might have noticed some folks are now referring to this situation as related to "COVID-19". That's because you are correct that a version of a Coronavirus has been around for a long time. COVID-19 is the one that's getting all the current press. Regardless of the reason for why different ones pop up, the reality is that they do. And, there can be vast differences in mortality rates and other details. For example, SARS and MERS were each variations. The main thing they have in common is that they are medium-sized enveloped positive-stranded RNA viruses whose name derives from their characteristic crown-like appearance in electron micrographs. (So..."corona"..."crown") The important thing is for us to not assume each one is the same in terms of risk, transmission means and rate, and even in how they manifest themselves in humans in their symptoms. Net, whenever one comes along - listen to what experts have learned and follow their advice. Mark
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2020 15:59:42 GMT -5
She began first by stating the Coronavirus has been around for decades. You might have noticed some folks are now referring to this situation as related to "COVID-19". That's because you are correct that a version of a Coronavirus has been around for a long time. COVID-19 is the one that's getting all the current press. Regardless of the reason for why different ones pop up, the reality is that they do. And, there can be vast differences in mortality rates and other details. For example, SARS and MERS were each variations. The main thing they have in common is that they are medium-sized enveloped positive-stranded RNA viruses whose name derives from their characteristic crown-like appearance in electron micrographs. (So..."corona"..."crown") The important thing is for us to not assume each one is the same in terms of risk, transmission means and rate, and even in how they manifest themselves in humans in their symptoms. Net, whenever one comes along - listen to what experts have learned and follow their advice. Mark I suppose that a lot of the misinformation about treating CV is because CV has been around for decades and some might assume treatment for the decade old CV are effective. But dat's just my assumption. I plan to write a book after so many New York best seller Self Help guides like becoming a better you by Joel Osteen. Here's a better way to becoming a better host to the COVID-19 Virus. As an environmentalist I wish people would not try to kill the COVID-19. I'm worried it might go extinct. It is my new mission to set up sanctuaries for the Virus and receive government funding in my mission. I've abandoned save the trees just for FYI, it's a lost cause given the increase in paper products such as TP sales. In all seriousness, thanks for the clarification bro. Feel a little ornery today. Enjoy, William
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Post by klinemj on Mar 17, 2020 16:01:04 GMT -5
Just pointing out the dire consequences of "under reporting". Oxygen ventilators may not be readily available inventory when helping treat the infected here in America. I'm not discounting the consequences of under-reporting. However, I've seen many people use under-reporting as an excuse to not pay attention to any data at all (I'm not accusing Scott of that). So many have said "well, the data is under-reported so it doesn't mean anything" or use it to justify that the mortality rate "really isn't that high" (despite growing evidence it is quite high vs. ordinary flu!) Instead, it's important to view all data as something of value - even if there are limits. In the case of how I am looking at the data in the link I provided...I'm looking to see the signs of "flattening the curve". I'm not a medical provider, so I'm in no position to think about how much medical equipment to order if I think my facility will be short. I'm looking in hopes that I'll see signs all the actions we're taking are helping. Simply looking at some fixed number like "x cases and y deaths so far" tells me nothing that I'm interested in. Mark
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Post by klinemj on Mar 17, 2020 16:04:48 GMT -5
I suppose that a lot of the misinformation about treating CV is because CV has been around for decades and some might assume treatment for the decade old CV are effective. So far, I've not seen mis-information from true experts on treating COVID-19. I've seen a lot of people passing on a lot of bogus info like "gargling with (insert specific solution here) will kill the virus", but none of the ones I have seen originated from anyone with real "creds". In other words, my version of why there's been misinformation is that may people who have no clue about proper treatments are sharing whatever they think might help. PS - even the seasonal flu varies, and the vaccines for them vary by year. It's not just CV that varies over time. Mark
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Post by vcautokid on Mar 17, 2020 16:09:07 GMT -5
Stop science here for a second. I don't for more than a moment give a Schiit or two about that. It is your attitude, your emotional state, your stress level. Staying focused on what matters to you. If you are one of the shallow panic mongers. I have no time for you. If you are someone who is on a mission to make it through happy, and healthy, lets talk. Keep a positive outlook, take the news in perspective. Take stock in your life, what you are doing and going to do. Stop now the negative. The Negative will kill you before covid 19 ever does. Love and be with your family in creative ways if need be. Take care of yourself. Exercise, stay clean, stay happy, talk to people about what and how you are feeling. I was pretty down yesterday and my day really went well with a couple of the right people. I went home happy and hopeful. Nothing is perfect. You have to make the best of any situation. I am not going to tell you how. That is your thing. Don't stop living because everyone else is off in their silliness. If you are feeling sad more than you should, reach out, share, help someone, do something that fulfills you. I know too many people where they are only themselves. It is harder to go this way in these trying times. Be ready for some new approaches. None of us should stay the same. Be more from this. Grow. Covid will be gone before we know it. We will prevail. So again stay positive, happy, engage in the thing to your best of your ability, make a difference and stay well.
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