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Post by boomzilla on Mar 11, 2020 9:07:37 GMT -5
...And, of course, a politician can never say "we just don't know and I have no idea what to do about it"... Actually, an honest "We are trying out best to implement intelligent solutions, but there is always a chance that they won't work. If they don't then we'll try something else. There are no certainties, but we'll continue doing the best we can and will be honest and open about keeping all of you in the loop." just might be a far more successful strategy than continuing to mouth false platitudes intended to minimize and dismiss what is obviously a worsening situation.
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 11, 2020 9:11:41 GMT -5
Not to minimize the risk and the seriousness of this coronavirus, but I asked my doctor about it and his response was that there are coronaviruses every year. The current flu vaccine for this year will not protect you from these new strains, but they may help to minimize the effects if you get the flu.
This is nothing new. Vaccine's are always behind. There will be a new strain next year that does not have a specific vaccine targeted for it.
The issue here is that this particular one came mysteriously out of China, no vaccine, people die, and the media has picked up on it and hyped it because it adds to their ratings. People panic because they feel we are all goners. It's a snowball effect on the world's economy as people don't travel, conference's are moved or canceled, people avoid restaurants and movie theaters, concerts are canceled, sporting events are canceled, and on and on.
Money is not spent. Business is affected. Companies go out of business. Uber drivers don't make money. The list is endless.
Lets just hope this ends soon so that we can all get back to our regulerly scheduled program.
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Post by cawgijoe on Mar 11, 2020 9:16:16 GMT -5
...And, of course, a politician can never say "we just don't know and I have no idea what to do about it"... Actually, an honest "We are trying out best to implement intelligent solutions, but there is always a chance that they won't work. If they don't then we'll try something else. There are no certainties, but we'll continue doing the best we can and will be honest and open about keeping all of you in the loop." just might be a far more successful strategy than continuing to mouth false platitudes intended to minimize and dismiss what is obviously a worsening situation. It doesn't matter what anybody says. It's too late for that. Until it is gone, no one will listen anyway. I also don't hear anybody dismissing this currently. It's a problem that is very difficult to deal with in a free society and as far as I'm concerned, they are doing the best they can to deal with it.
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 11, 2020 9:30:14 GMT -5
...as far as I'm concerned, they are doing the best they can to deal with it. I'd disagree, but it is what it is.
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Mar 11, 2020 10:21:34 GMT -5
...as far as I'm concerned, they are doing the best they can to deal with it. I'd disagree, but it is what it is. Boom, out of curiosity, what steps would make you feel better about the handling of this situation?
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 11, 2020 11:06:47 GMT -5
Many of the world's renowned epidemiologists posted above about COVID-19: ..... isn't that big of a deal ..... way over hyped ..... virus fear .....a bigger fuss ..... where the money trail flows ..... harebrained theories ..... have a drink ..... media stirs it all up ..... people panic ..... Chicken Little ..... scared out of control ..... another Chuck ..... hide in your basement ..... three old white men ..... whipped up ..... stir emotions ..... outside influences ..... old sick people ..... logic is flawed ..... die happy ..... sterilize your throat ..... zombies ..... created it in a lab ..... insidious and dangerous ..... I’m now prepared ..... The Nut .....
Victoria Mather says these Lizards are five clicks up from trailer trash!A diversity of opinion illuminates civilized discourse. That said, one is always entitled to their own opinion, but never to their own facts. The jury is still out on the ultimate severity of COVID-19, but the bulk of scientific evidence indicates that it will get worse before it gets better. Whether that "worse" is to be elsewhere or here also remains to be seen. And with the scientific community issuing one viewpoint, the government another, and the press still another, it is understandable that even well-informed and well-meaning citizens are not yet sure what to think. Victoria Mather is being overly harsh. Like you said, no matter where you turn there are differing opinions on this virus. So when you say "the bulk of scientific evidence indicates it will get worse before it gets better," what is the source of this "bulk?" The scientific community is by no means all in agreement, nor does it seem any other group (government, press, etc.) of one mind either. Someone might read what you posted and then repeat to others that the bulk of scientific evidence says things will get worse. But if you take a step back from all of this, how credible is that? Unless we know where this "bulk" came from, we can't evaluate it. That said, of course we should exercise prudence and common sense, and practice good hygiene. That should be done all the time.
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Post by KeithL on Mar 11, 2020 11:31:13 GMT -5
That would be a reasonable strategy...
However, it is unlikely to be successful, for either politicians or the news media... Politicians must seek to reassure people while also being seen to "do their best to do something"... And, of course, news media thrive on disasters, gloom, and doom...
Telling people to go about their lives as usual for the time being is probably the optimum response... However, it's not what most people want to hear, or what will get them to tune in...
(Just as you will see lots of sites about "how to make hand sanitizer" and very few suggesting that you should just wash your hands instead.)
...And, of course, a politician can never say "we just don't know and I have no idea what to do about it"... Actually, an honest "We are trying out best to implement intelligent solutions, but there is always a chance that they won't work. If they don't then we'll try something else. There are no certainties, but we'll continue doing the best we can and will be honest and open about keeping all of you in the loop." just might be a far more successful strategy than continuing to mouth false platitudes intended to minimize and dismiss what is obviously a worsening situation.
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Post by KeithL on Mar 11, 2020 11:52:30 GMT -5
And people pay ridiculous prices for hand sanitizer because that way they feel like "they're doing something" (instead of just washing their hands like always).
The "common cold" is a coronavirus... and, yes, it's pretty common. (And we still don't have a vaccine that covers all the common versions of the common cold.)
And, yes, the sooner CoVid-19 either disappears, or we get a vaccine for it, the sooner everything can get back to normal.
I heard a funny story on a BBS documentary about this... A woman and her partner were scheduled to travel to Cyprus on vacation... (I think it was Cyprus).
But her partner chose to stay home because of fears of the coronavirus... She had a lovely time in Cyprus... which had no cases reported at that time... But a new case was reported, back in her home town, where her partner who stayed home was located...
As someone suggested, your biggest risk if you travel is probably not that you will catch coronavirus, but that you'll be trapped or stranded somewhere by a quarantine. (But that certainly is a legitimate and quite serious inconvenience.)
Not to minimize the risk and the seriousness of this coronavirus, but I asked my doctor about it and his response was that there are coronaviruses every year. The current flu vaccine for this year will not protect you from these new strains, but they may help to minimize the effects if you get the flu. This is nothing new. Vaccine's are always behind. There will be a new strain next year that does not have a specific vaccine targeted for it. The issue here is that this particular one came mysteriously out of China, no vaccine, people die, and the media has picked up on it and hyped it because it adds to their ratings. People panic because they feel we are all goners. It's a snowball effect on the world's economy as people don't travel, conference's are moved or canceled, people avoid restaurants and movie theaters, concerts are canceled, sporting events are canceled, and on and on. Money is not spent. Business is affected. Companies go out of business. Uber drivers don't make money. The list is endless. Lets just hope this ends soon so that we can all get back to our regulerly scheduled program.
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Post by drtrey3 on Mar 11, 2020 12:01:10 GMT -5
As a provider for facilities that serve the elderly, I am a prime candidate to get the virus. I have been washing my hands more, much more, and will watch for symptoms and get tested if they start. But a non tobacco user age 60, I am at low risk for any lethality. My biggest risk would be spreading it from one facility to another before I am symptomatic. So I wash my hands, do not touch patients (I don't do that anyway) and will watch closely for a dry cough.
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 11, 2020 13:44:00 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 14:14:59 GMT -5
FYI, a paragraph today for a UK source:
"So far, 80% of patients experience a mild form of the illness, which can include a fever and pneumonia, and many of these cases require little to no medical intervention. That being said, the elderly and people with underlying conditions such as diabetes or heart and lung issues are the most vulnerable. The death rate in China for people 80 or over, in the government’s study of more than 72,000 cases, was 14.8%."
14.8% is a large fatality rate. In Washington State, there have been 283 cases reported and 26 deaths statewide, according to today's data, which is a 9% fatality rate, again for the elderly, of which I am one. Interesting too that one of the first people to get it in the UK was an athlete in his '30s. He just got off his respirator today. As for it "came mysteriously out of China", what's mysterious about it? "Wet markets", where live wild animals, including bats,snakes, birds and monkeys, mix closely with people,are known as breeding grounds for new viruses; this is not the first virus to escape, although it may be one of the last ones if Xi bans the markets. After a few doctors noticed the novel virus, local officials tried to keep it quiet but were soon overwhelmed and the doctors are now heroes in China. Since then, most of the drastic actions taken there to confine the spread seem to have worked, but the horse has left the barn. This is not mysterious at all, IMHO, and it certainly doesn't require conspiracies.
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Mar 11, 2020 15:42:57 GMT -5
So I just learned Boomzilla is a horse’s a- -. What a shame. I used to enjoy his posts
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Post by monkumonku on Mar 11, 2020 15:59:51 GMT -5
Well you do add credibility by listing your sources but then you put a dent in it with that snarky comment about Fox News. As for what you list - the CDC expecting the virus to spread is a credible source. But what "proof" is there in the Atlantic article that the cases are higher than reported? If it isn't reported then how can anyone know. But even assuming it is higher (and it probably is, my opinion), that says nothing about the severity. It could be that it isn't reported because it is mild. I guess the other thing is to ask what is meant by "worse" - the spread of the disease itself and/or the behavior/reaction of people? The other sources/articles could be a result of preventative measures, overreaction, etc., instead of anything based on scientific evidence that the spread will increase. Anyway, I'm not saying you're right or wrong as much of it is opinion but it is something that should be taken seriously but also looked at in a rational manner.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2020 17:28:02 GMT -5
There is one conclusion that seems easy for me to make. It definitely is a pandemic.
Oh sure. Are you one of those nuts trying to exaggerate a little virus, blow it all out of proportion and scare the sh_t out of us all? You obviously don't know what you are talking about. Besides your post didn't get one single like, so there!
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 11, 2020 18:42:43 GMT -5
So I just learned Boomzilla is a horse’s a- -. What a shame. I used to enjoy his posts You’re just NOW figuring that out?! LOL
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Post by boomzilla on Mar 11, 2020 19:50:08 GMT -5
Well you do add credibility by listing your sources but then you put a dent in it with that snarky comment about Fox News... Hi monkumonku - I think you're ignoring an important word in my statement. I said that if one was getting their news exclusively from Fox news, etc. I'd be just as dismissive if one was getting their news exclusively from MSNBC. Times being what they are, none of us can rely on a single trusted source to deliver unbiased, honest, and complete news reporting. So it's up to US to sample a variety of sources to determine what is credible and what isn't. However, if nine news sources claim that the truth is "A," and only one claims that "B" is true, then the nine are more likely to be right than the one. Not always, but as a general rule... TV news sources that I routinely watch: ABC NBC CBS Fox MSNBC Internet news sources that I routinely skim: CNN News Google News BBC News NPR News And I'd stand by my statement that anyone who is getting their news from a single source is probably foolish. And if this makes me "snarky" or an "A-hole," then I'm sorry that y'all feel that way, but I can live with it.
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Post by tchaik on Mar 11, 2020 19:52:30 GMT -5
Well you do add credibility by listing your sources but then you put a dent in it with that snarky comment about Fox News... Hi monkumonku - I think you're ignoring an important word in my statement. I said that if one was getting their news exclusively from Fox news, etc. I'd be just as dismissive if one was getting their news exclusively from MSNBC. Times being what they are, none of us can rely on a single trusted source to deliver unbiased, honest, and complete news reporting. So it's up to US to sample a variety of sources to determine what is credible and what isn't. However, if nine news sources claim that the truth is "A," and only one claims that "B" is true, then the nine are more likely to be right than the one. Not always, but as a general rule... TV news sources that I routinely watch: ABC NBC CBS Fox MSNBC Internet news sources that I routinely skim: CNN News Google News BBC News NPR News And I'd stand by my statement that anyone who is getting their news from a single source is probably foolish. And if this makes me "snarky" or an "A-hole," then I'm sorry that y'all feel that way, but I can live with it. how bout the national enquirer?
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Post by DavidR on Mar 11, 2020 21:03:12 GMT -5
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The "common cold" is a coronavirus... and, yes, it's pretty common. (And we still don't have a vaccine that covers all the common versions of the common cold.)
And, yes, the sooner CoVid-19 either disappears, or we get a vaccine for it, the sooner everything can get back to normal. ................................................................................................
My wife is a doctor. She is concerned but not scared.
Correct about the common cold. Don't hold your breath for a vaccine they haven't been able to come up with one for the common cold but my homemade chicken soup works well.
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Post by ÈlTwo on Mar 11, 2020 23:08:06 GMT -5
I prefer my chicken soup with matzo balls.
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Post by cgolf on Mar 11, 2020 23:40:07 GMT -5
Just the fact that there are 5 pages of posts on this one site about the virus says alot about how people really feel. It's a microcosm of what's going on in the world. I went to Costco today. The best word I can come up with is "scary" watching people.
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