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Post by krauley on May 15, 2020 7:45:41 GMT -5
This may not be the best place to put this but it is the most active Dirac thread. I like many others have an account for Dirac 1.0. Will i need that account to register and use Dirac 2.0 once i get my Xmc-2? Or will we be required to create a new account? Im about to install a new SSD drive in my laptop and or course that comes with a re-installation of windows and other software. I will be lightening the load so to speak of software i no longer use so if i no longer need my dirac 1.0 and its connected account i would like to skip installing it and just wait for the 2.0 program once it lands. Dirac Live for XMC-1 is a whole 'nuther world from the XMC-2 and its offerings. So, no you will not need anything related to the XMC-1 for anything related to the XMC-2, they are totally separate. I too had an XMC-1 and purchased Dirac Live Full. Dirac Live Full has no meaning anymore since I no longer have the XMC-1. It'a an application without a piece of hardware. Once Dirac for XMC-2 is available it'll have all its own installation/registration. Fresh as a summer's eve. I realize that the software isnt interchangable what i was thinking about is if our original accounts would still be used for Dirac 2. It really doesnt matter as i have all the info from that account backed up elsewhere so ive kind of answered my own question. need it or not ill have it.
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Post by megash0n on May 15, 2020 9:26:15 GMT -5
Looks like Dirac is putting on a "how DBC works" webinar for some dealers and beta testers next week. Hopefully Emotiva is on that invitation list.
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Post by saarg on May 17, 2020 9:15:56 GMT -5
Looks like Dirac is putting on a "how DBC works" webinar for some dealers and beta testers next week. Hopefully Emotiva is on that invitation list. I believe that is Storm Audio doing a webinar and not Dirac.
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Post by marcl on May 23, 2020 10:38:54 GMT -5
Looks like Dirac is putting on a "how DBC works" webinar for some dealers and beta testers next week. Hopefully Emotiva is on that invitation list. I believe that is Storm Audio doing a webinar and not Dirac. register.gotowebinar.com/rt/8043050009869528846The Webinar ... posted from AV Nirvana A little bit of it is Storm-specific, but vast majority of the time is about Dirac 2.0 and Bass Control, with a very good overview of room acoustics in the beginning. I think it answers many questions that we have been floating around, especially in the Q&A at the end.
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Post by Lsc on May 25, 2020 12:37:07 GMT -5
I believe that is Storm Audio doing a webinar and not Dirac. register.gotowebinar.com/rt/8043050009869528846The Webinar ... posted from AV Nirvana A little bit of it is Storm-specific, but vast majority of the time is about Dirac 2.0 and Bass Control, with a very good overview of room acoustics in the beginning. I think it answers many questions that we have been floating around, especially in the Q&A at the end. I watched the webinar (or at least part of it) and it seems like there will be some “speaker groups” that Emotiva will need to consider.
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Post by megash0n on May 25, 2020 13:34:07 GMT -5
register.gotowebinar.com/rt/8043050009869528846The Webinar ... posted from AV Nirvana A little bit of it is Storm-specific, but vast majority of the time is about Dirac 2.0 and Bass Control, with a very good overview of room acoustics in the beginning. I think it answers many questions that we have been floating around, especially in the Q&A at the end. I watched the webinar (or at least part of it) and it seems like there will be some “speaker groups” that Emotiva will need to consider. I started it, but have not finished. Seems pretty clear so far that Dirac will need to control the crossovers from multiple, different perspectives.
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Post by Lsc on May 25, 2020 15:07:53 GMT -5
I watched the webinar (or at least part of it) and it seems like there will be some “speaker groups” that Emotiva will need to consider. I started it, but have not finished. Seems pretty clear so far that Dirac will need to control the crossovers from multiple, different perspectives. From the webinar, the user selects the crossover in in Dirac software and Dirac uses that as the crossover point to optimize the measurements. It doesn’t seems like Dirac evaluates the various speakers and determines the crossover point. Emotiva implementation will ge interesting as they have a few options.
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Post by megash0n on May 25, 2020 15:10:09 GMT -5
I started it, but have not finished. Seems pretty clear so far that Dirac will need to control the crossovers from multiple, different perspectives. From the webinar, the user selects the crossover in in Dirac software and Dirac uses that as the crossover point to optimize the measurements. It doesn’t seems like Dirac evaluates the various speakers and determines the crossover point. Emotiva implementation will ge interesting as they have a few options. I need to finish the webinar, but I've thought this whole time that Dirac Bass Control would evaluate all speakers, inside a speaker group, to determine one or multiple crossovers depending on how it needs to manipulate timing and phase, etc.. The joys of trying to figure something out that isn't well documented. 😂😂
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Post by Lsc on May 25, 2020 15:58:41 GMT -5
From the webinar, the user selects the crossover in in Dirac software and Dirac uses that as the crossover point to optimize the measurements. It doesn’t seems like Dirac evaluates the various speakers and determines the crossover point. Emotiva implementation will ge interesting as they have a few options. I need to finish the webinar, but I've thought this whole time that Dirac Bass Control would evaluate all speakers, inside a speaker group, to determine one or multiple crossovers depending on how it needs to manipulate timing and phase, etc.. The joys of trying to figure something out that isn't well documented. 😂😂 Each speaker group has one crossover point. Per the webinar the need to have multiple speaker groups comes from needing different crossover points for some speakers. Dirac Bass control has some limitations and they talk about that in the webinar. I already forgot lol. Please take a quick nap and make a pot of coffee before you put the webinar back on 😬.
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Post by richb on May 25, 2020 16:12:05 GMT -5
I'm actually more interested in Dirac Bass Control than Dirac 2.0 because my room measures well and the RMC-1 sounds wonderful. Shortly, I will have full range speakers front and rear. - Rich
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Post by Lsc on May 25, 2020 16:36:08 GMT -5
I'm actually more interested in Dirac Bass Control than Dirac 2.0 because my room measures well and the RMC-1 sounds wonderful. Shortly, I will have full range speakers front and rear. - Rich Are you getting more Ultima speakers for the rears? I got the poor man’s version. F228Be for the fronts (swapped out my F208) and 4 F12s (old concerta line). I agree the bass control is what’s needed to bring if all together. Surprised no one called out this missing feature with Dirac 1.0.
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Post by marcl on May 25, 2020 16:41:48 GMT -5
I got a few interesting points out of it. One good question was, if you have one sub is it worth it? The answer was yes, because one of the important things it does is match phase to pairs in a group, which will in turn make for better phase match between those pairs and the sub(s). This speaks to the impulse response correction that Dirac does too. People tend to forget that PEQ in the RMC/XMX does not do that, and in fact may even adversely affect phase with the filter implementation. Base Dirac does sound better than PEQ alone.
There seems to fine control over the crossover point of each group ... not 10Hz increments for sure. Question is, will Dirac feed the crossover points to the existing bass management in the XMC/RMC or will that bass management have to be modified? Or will Dirac replace bass management and just implement the crossovers in the Dirac filter software?
There are some limitations in the existing implementation and so we'll enjoy the many months it will likely take for Emotiva to support DBC. Maybe by then they will incorporate the couple interesting ideas like engaging the full range speakers in the system to augment bass of the limited range speakers. Wouldn't it be better to have speakers that need to cross at 80, 100 or 200Hz go first to presumably very good bass in the full range speakers and THEN cross to subs down deep at 40-50Hz? I can tell you it is better, as I use a Magnepan DWM to cover bass from 200Hz down to 50Hz for the limited range speakers and then everybody goes to the subs below 50Hz. The miniDSP does all of this. I'm not sure DBC will facilitate this.
Note also that the number crunching does use the Dirac cloud computing. We had been led to believe this was happening with Dirac 1.0 but apparently that was just a license check. DBC seems to need some horsepower to do the job ... though waiting 5min for a set of filters is by no means a burden.
I thought the Webinar was a very open and candid discussion from both the Storm and Dirac perspective. Not just marketing spin.
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Post by richb on May 25, 2020 17:08:51 GMT -5
I'm actually more interested in Dirac Bass Control than Dirac 2.0 because my room measures well and the RMC-1 sounds wonderful. Shortly, I will have full range speakers front and rear. - Rich Are you getting more Ultima speakers for the rears? I got the poor man’s version. F228Be for the fronts (swapped out my F208) and 4 F12s (old concerta line). I agree the bass control is what’s needed to bring if all together. Surprised no one called out this missing feature with Dirac 1.0. Yes, the Salon2's will replace the Studio2's. The DBC video was interesting and should allow using their bass output to greater use. I may need another Benchmark amp -Rich
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Post by megash0n on May 25, 2020 17:13:33 GMT -5
I got a few interesting points out of it. One good question was, if you have one sub is it worth it? The answer was yes, because one of the important things it does is match phase to pairs in a group, which will in turn make for better phase match between those pairs and the sub(s). This speaks to the impulse response correction that Dirac does too. People tend to forget that PEQ in the RMC/XMX does not do that, and in fact may even adversely affect phase with the filter implementation. Base Dirac does sound better than PEQ alone. There seems to fine control over the crossover point of each group ... not 10Hz increments for sure. Question is, will Dirac feed the crossover points to the existing bass management in the XMC/RMC or will that bass management have to be modified? Or will Dirac replace bass management and just implement the crossovers in the Dirac filter software? There are some limitations in the existing implementation and so we'll enjoy the many months it will likely take for Emotiva to support DBC. Maybe by then they will incorporate the couple interesting ideas like engaging the full range speakers in the system to augment bass of the limited range speakers. Wouldn't it be better to have speakers that need to cross at 80, 100 or 200Hz go first to presumably very good bass in the full range speakers and THEN cross to subs down deep at 40-50Hz? I can tell you it is better, as I use a Magnepan DWM to cover bass from 200Hz down to 50Hz for the limited range speakers and then everybody goes to the subs below 50Hz. The miniDSP does all of this. I'm not sure DBC will facilitate this. Note also that the number crunching does use the Dirac cloud computing. We had been led to believe this was happening with Dirac 1.0 but apparently that was just a license check. DBC seems to need some horsepower to do the job ... though waiting 5min for a set of filters is by no means a burden. I thought the Webinar was a very open and candid discussion from both the Storm and Dirac perspective. Not just marketing spin. I've been continuing to say the processing happens in the cloud, but being told it wasn't. 😊 I agree about DBC being purposeful with any number of subs. I also think that, if the math calls for it, then a speaker group could be full range while also using bass management to flatten out the curve if needed.
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Post by richb on May 25, 2020 17:16:44 GMT -5
I got a few interesting points out of it. One good question was, if you have one sub is it worth it? The answer was yes, because one of the important things it does is match phase to pairs in a group, which will in turn make for better phase match between those pairs and the sub(s). This speaks to the impulse response correction that Dirac does too. People tend to forget that PEQ in the RMC/XMX does not do that, and in fact may even adversely affect phase with the filter implementation. Base Dirac does sound better than PEQ alone. There seems to fine control over the crossover point of each group ... not 10Hz increments for sure. Question is, will Dirac feed the crossover points to the existing bass management in the XMC/RMC or will that bass management have to be modified? Or will Dirac replace bass management and just implement the crossovers in the Dirac filter software? There are some limitations in the existing implementation and so we'll enjoy the many months it will likely take for Emotiva to support DBC. Maybe by then they will incorporate the couple interesting ideas like engaging the full range speakers in the system to augment bass of the limited range speakers. Wouldn't it be better to have speakers that need to cross at 80, 100 or 200Hz go first to presumably very good bass in the full range speakers and THEN cross to subs down deep at 40-50Hz? I can tell you it is better, as I use a Magnepan DWM to cover bass from 200Hz down to 50Hz for the limited range speakers and then everybody goes to the subs below 50Hz. The miniDSP does all of this. I'm not sure DBC will facilitate this. Note also that the number crunching does use the Dirac cloud computing. We had been led to believe this was happening with Dirac 1.0 but apparently that was just a license check. DBC seems to need some horsepower to do the job ... though waiting 5min for a set of filters is by no means a burden. I thought the Webinar was a very open and candid discussion from both the Storm and Dirac perspective. Not just marketing spin. I am lucky in that my room is fairly large and open so it measures well and sounds great without correction. DBC is very interesting. On some films, there is some significant bass coming from the rear speakers (measured by my hand on the woofers). I'd love to listen to bass distributed among 4 large speakers. From the Storm video, it DBC appears to allow for speaker groups with separate crossovers. Presumably, to allow some bass to be sent to large speakers. - Rich
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Post by rxw on May 25, 2020 17:58:13 GMT -5
To be honest I'm really looking forward to DBC but in reality all I want is Dirac to be active on my XMC2. It seems like months and months it's been 'only 1 or 2 weeks away' now.
Bring on DBC after that!
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Post by Lsc on May 25, 2020 18:15:05 GMT -5
I've been continuing to say the processing happens in the cloud, but being told it wasn't. 😊 I agree about DBC being purposeful with any number of subs. I also think that, if the math calls for it, then a speaker group could be full range while also using bass management to flatten out the curve if needed. You have! My work is doing this now too, putting 1/2 our servers in the cloud so I’m more familiar with this than before. Looks like those that have 4 subs, getting the RMC1 will be a benefit once Emotiva uses the expansion slot for more sub inputs. The fact that Dirac has all those factors for phase perfect - reminds me of the Theta and their phase perfect crossover setting.
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Post by markc on May 25, 2020 18:17:09 GMT -5
I agree the bass control is what’s needed to bring if all together. Surprised no one called out this missing feature with Dirac 1.0. They did, way back to Dirac's debut on the XMC-1 in 2015... That is why the serious multi-subwoofer users have been running the sub channel through a MiniDSP - Balance and align optimise the subs using the MiniDSP first then run that as a single channel in XMC-1 Dirac 1.0 Dirac 2.x seems like it will do much better integration however. Looks like quite complex calculations to get the filters and crossovers
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Post by Lsc on May 25, 2020 18:20:22 GMT -5
I thought the Webinar was a very open and candid discussion from both the Storm and Dirac perspective. Not just marketing spin. I agree, I thought it was very helpful. The one thing that I got out of it is that while not perfectly integrated, it seems like the Storm Audio ISP and Dirac has good integration, like with the speaker groups.
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Post by jagman on May 25, 2020 18:52:45 GMT -5
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