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Post by Lsc on May 25, 2020 19:19:01 GMT -5
The big issue that I see in your situation is that until Emotiva builds those bass module add-ons, your decision is based on vaporware. Look how long itโs taken for Dirac to be in the customersโ hands after the podcast where they said Dirac was done and they need 6 weeks. This was at the end of January. Iโve sent two emails to Emotiva on the status of Dirac. First was in mid-March and I was told a few weeks. Then a few weeks later I sent another email and was told another few weeks. Now we are approaching June. Iโve been saying July at the earliest and it sure looks like we are heading that way. We STILL donโt have it. So the clock continues to tick. So when is the RMC1 actually going to have bass module add-ons? 2021? 2022? And at what price and whatโs the adoption rate going to be? Also, when is Emotiva going to deliver DBC? I donโt think itโll be in 2020. So the elegant solution depends on the RMC1 having bass expansion slots AND Dirac Bass Control. Thatโs gonna be a bit before thatโs in someoneโs living room. It sounds great but the timeline is very questionable. I highly caution against buying the RMC1 if you think the bass modules will be around the corner. The moral is - donโt buy anything until it has everything you need ON the unit. Iโd say get the XMC2 and use mini dsp unless you can get something like Stormaudio ISP that already has everything you are looking for. Or call Emotiva and ask when the expansion modules will be released- then at least double that estimate. When it comes to giving advice, I take it a little bit seriously because I donโt want to see anyone get burned. Ok Iโm calm now ๐.
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Post by jagman on May 25, 2020 20:05:27 GMT -5
@isc I hear you. My eyes are wide open... which is why so haven't purchased the pre pro yet despite having 9.6 installed for a year. Now I will say I've had my last receiver for 10 years so a year or two waiting on modules isn't as big a deal for me as it would be for someone who likes the latest and greatest. I'm hopeful that they will get both done, I just don't know if it'll have the functionality I want. So many unknowns. Of course the simple answer is get the RMC-1 and use a MiniDSP. Then, if Emotiva's implementation of the expansion modules and DBC pan out I get to take advantage. I'd be out $1200, or more apply $600 when compared to the RMC-1L, if it doesn't happen, or I don't care for their implementation, but that's the safe bet.
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Post by Lsc on May 25, 2020 21:02:21 GMT -5
@isc I hear you. My eyes are wide open... which is why so haven't purchased the pre pro yet despite having 9.6 installed for a year. Now I will say I've had my last receiver for 10 years so a year or two waiting on modules isn't as big a deal for me as it would be for someone who likes the latest and greatest. I'm hopeful that they will get both done, I just don't know if it'll have the functionality I want. So many unknowns. Of course the simple answer is get the RMC-1 and use a MiniDSP. Then, if Emotiva's implementation of the expansion modules and DBC pan out I get to take advantage. I'd be out $1200, or more apply $600 when compared to the RMC-1L, if it doesn't happen, or I don't care for their implementation, but that's the safe bet. Yes that makes sense. Itโs safer than not getting the RMC1.
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Post by Topend on May 25, 2020 23:31:52 GMT -5
Hi Keith,
Are you able to provide an update on the readiness of the Emotiva Dirac Live Network Interface? I believe you were waiting on packaging so they can be sent out to XMC-2 / RMC-1/L customers.
Thanks, Dave.
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Post by megash0n on May 26, 2020 6:32:24 GMT -5
@isc I hear you. My eyes are wide open... which is why so haven't purchased the pre pro yet despite having 9.6 installed for a year. Now I will say I've had my last receiver for 10 years so a year or two waiting on modules isn't as big a deal for me as it would be for someone who likes the latest and greatest. I'm hopeful that they will get both done, I just don't know if it'll have the functionality I want. So many unknowns. Of course the simple answer is get the RMC-1 and use a MiniDSP. Then, if Emotiva's implementation of the expansion modules and DBC pan out I get to take advantage. I'd be out $1200, or more apply $600 when compared to the RMC-1L, if it doesn't happen, or I don't care for their implementation, but that's the safe bet. Yes that makes sense. Itโs safer than not getting the RMC1. As a future thought, Dirac Bass Control may not work across 2 platforms if that is something you are wanting some day. Dirac says they may work that out, but don't see that happening today.
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Post by marcl on May 26, 2020 11:32:23 GMT -5
I agree the bass control is whatโs needed to bring if all together. Surprised no one called out this missing feature with Dirac 1.0. They did, way back to Dirac's debut on the XMC-1 in 2015... That is why the serious multi-subwoofer users have been running the sub channel through a MiniDSP - Balance and align optimise the subs using the MiniDSP first then run that as a single channel in XMC-1 Dirac 1.0 Dirac 2.x seems like it will do much better integration however. Looks like quite complex calculations to get the filters and crossovers I've read the Emotiva Dirac 2.0 manual as well as info from a couple other brands. Dirac 2.x looks like it works exactly like 1.x with regard to subs. They get treated separately just like the rest of the speakers. It does not have any effect on crossovers and all measurements happen with no bass management. And of course Dirac does not measure the actual result. So the more complex phase matching in speaker groups and crossover control is unique to DBC.
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Post by jagman on May 26, 2020 11:44:55 GMT -5
Yes that makes sense. Itโs safer than not getting the RMC1. As a future thought, Dirac Bass Control may not work across 2 platforms if that is something you are wanting some day. Dirac says they may work that out, but don't see that happening today. The MiniDSP would be used with the subs on it's own indefinitely with the XMC-2. With the RMC-1 it would be used until DBC and the expansion modules are released (and of course it could still be used if I don't like Emotiva's implementation of the expansion modules and/or DBC). To me the biggest draw of the MiniDSP 2x4HD is the ease of using BEQ files. I've never done that but I'm very intrigued. Lonnie said previously that the Emotiva Pre Pros will not allow internal PEQ bands to be used while DIRAC is enabled.
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Post by bluescale on May 26, 2020 12:20:34 GMT -5
I really recommend getting the 2x4HD. I had the balanced originally, and moved to the 2x4HD in order to facilitate BEQ (and because I had a friend willing to buy the balanced at full price). In my system, there was no audible downside to losing the balanced output, and BEQ makes an astounding difference if you have subs that can go below 20hz. It's downright shocking what a difference it makes.
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Post by markc on May 26, 2020 16:48:20 GMT -5
They did, way back to Dirac's debut on the XMC-1 in 2015... That is why the serious multi-subwoofer users have been running the sub channel through a MiniDSP - Balance and align optimise the subs using the MiniDSP first then run that as a single channel in XMC-1 Dirac 1.0 Dirac 2.x seems like it will do much better integration however. Looks like quite complex calculations to get the filters and crossovers I've read the Emotiva Dirac 2.0 manual as well as info from a couple other brands. Dirac 2.x looks like it works exactly like 1.x with regard to subs. They get treated separately just like the rest of the speakers. It does not have any effect on crossovers and all measurements happen with no bass management. And of course Dirac does not measure the actual result. So the more complex phase matching in speaker groups and crossover control is unique to DBC. Oops. I in my head I was referring to Dirac 2.x WITH the optional Bass Control! The work around the crossovers for each speaker group is quite complex!
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Post by saarg on May 28, 2020 6:29:40 GMT -5
I started it, but have not finished. Seems pretty clear so far that Dirac will need to control the crossovers from multiple, different perspectives. From the webinar, the user selects the crossover in in Dirac software and Dirac uses that as the crossover point to optimize the measurements. It doesnโt seems like Dirac evaluates the various speakers and determines the crossover point. Emotiva implementation will ge interesting as they have a few options. Dirac does indeed suggest a crossover point, but for my speakers it was set at 27Hz and around 60Hz for the ceiling ones and I can't remember the surrounds. So it does probably see how far down the speakers can go. In the end it's the user that listens to the system and can decide what sounds best. I'm sure Dirac will have improved Bass Control much before Emotiva implements it.
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Post by megash0n on May 29, 2020 1:55:40 GMT -5
When we started work on designing the RMC-1, and our entire line of new processors, our goal was to deliver the best possible performance and sound quality for our customers. One of the ways we chose to help us make that goal a reality was to incorporate the latest generation of powerful, cutting-edge DSP processors. Based on the information we had when we started the project, and the fact that the Dirac software was already being incorporated into other processors that use older technology, we didn't expect it to be especially difficult to include the code required to support Dirac Live automatic room correction into our new line of processors. Unfortunately, that turned out not to be the case, and integrating Dirac Live into the RMC-1 family turned out to be a much bigger project than we'd initially anticipated, which has been the reason for all the delays. The final result of our labor has been the development of a small external hardware module, the Emotiva Dirac Live Network Interface, which facilitates communication between our processor and the Dirac Live software installed on your computer. It is a small device, with its own processor and code, that is connected to your network when you perform your Dirac Live room calibrations on your processor. It only has to be connected to your network when you're actually taking measurements, or using the Dirac software to create a new Dirac Live profile, and doesn't have to be connected when you're simply using your processor. Since it is an integral part of using Dirac Live with your RMC-1, RMC-1L, or XMC-2 processor, we will be providing it to our customers at no charge as part of the Dirac Live calibration package that comes with your unit. (Customers who have already received their processor will receive the new hardware at the same time as their Dirac Live license.) Connecting the device to your network is very simple, it won't take up much space in your closet when you're not using it, we think the results are worth it, and we're sure you'll agree. The Emotiva Processor Development Team Good morning. Could we please have an update on Dirac?
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Post by BigE on May 29, 2020 12:58:22 GMT -5
"Dirac(t) Rolls Out Bass Control Management"
This is from a professional - except for their proofing - publication I receive. Interesting commentary regarding: StormAudio, Bryston, Focal, Arcam, & Audio Control.
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Post by Lsc on May 29, 2020 13:28:27 GMT -5
"Dirac(t) Rolls Out Bass Control Management"
This is from a professional - except for their proofing - publication I receive. Interesting commentary regarding: StormAudio, Bryston, Focal, Arcam, & Audio Control.
No talk of Monoprice though. We Emotiva owners will be behind...until we catch up. All this DBC talk is interesting except that if you are an owner of an Emotiva processor, we havenโt even sniffed Dirac 2.0 yet so, I canโt get too excited about DBC. The other option is to return my unit and buy an inferior Arcam with its own set of problems- so thatโs not a real viable option.
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Post by megash0n on May 29, 2020 14:42:42 GMT -5
Wouldn't it be cool to have an update? When was this supposed to be ready again?
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Post by megash0n on May 29, 2020 15:27:44 GMT -5
I left a message with them today asking if someone would take a moment to update the forum as opposed to calling me back. Enquiring minds want to know. ๐๐๐
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Post by bluescale on May 29, 2020 16:39:10 GMT -5
I left a message with them today asking if someone would take a moment to update the forum as opposed to calling me back. Enquiring minds want to know. ๐๐๐ Iโm surprised you were able to get through today. Iโve been getting a busy signal all day. ๐
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Post by megash0n on May 29, 2020 19:02:19 GMT -5
I left a message with them today asking if someone would take a moment to update the forum as opposed to calling me back. Enquiring minds want to know. ๐๐๐ Iโm surprised you were able to get through today. Iโve been getting a busy signal all day. ๐ I'm local. I bypass the busy signal ๐
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Post by novisnick on May 29, 2020 19:21:45 GMT -5
Iโm surprised you were able to get through today. Iโve been getting a busy signal all day. ๐ I'm local. I bypass the busy signal ๐ Post of the Day only because they didnโt reply on the forum or give a Podcast ๐
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Post by megash0n on May 29, 2020 19:36:35 GMT -5
I'm local. I bypass the busy signal ๐ Post of the Dayย only because they didnโt reply on the forum or give a Podcast ๐It's certainly frustrating. ๐
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Post by novisnick on May 29, 2020 20:51:43 GMT -5
Post of the Day only because they didnโt reply on the forum or give a Podcast ๐ It's certainly frustrating. ๐ I can say this though, I returned a Dewalt Bluetooth charger radio because of a manufacturer fault. I have only been contacted to let me know that Iโm waiting on the manufacturer to implement a fix to the problem and ship me out one. The issue was found with this model last year! ๐ฒ 6 weeks later I still cannot get anybody to pick up the phone or return my e-mail! Automated message says that Iโm a โvalued customerโ Ha! Emotiva answers the phone 98% of the time when I call. 98. 7% of those times I get to speak to support or whom I asked for. But yeh! Itโs frustrating! Grab an oar, there seems to be plenty of us in this boat! LOL
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