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Post by dsonyay on Mar 31, 2020 10:19:15 GMT -5
Any thoughts on using bass traps for the corners?
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Post by simpleman68 on Mar 31, 2020 10:40:26 GMT -5
Hi @shimei - Might I also suggest that you play a bit with the "balance control" on your preamp? Sometimes even a dB or so to the "weak side" will make a miraculous difference. Boom Agreed big time. Especially the lower mid bass; it seems to have an uncanny ability to render highs/upper mids inaudible. I'm amazed at the difference. One of the biggest things I notice when toggling room correction on/off in my DSP. Deep bass is instantly cleaner and coherent and the upper mids are present in a very natural way. Instruments like key boards, backing vocals etc suddenly appear.Scott |
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Post by jackfish on Mar 31, 2020 11:22:43 GMT -5
Bass traps in the four corners and broadband absorption at the first (and second if room is long enough) reflection points, side wall and ceiling. Broadband absorption also can help behind the listener, with more limited deployment behind The soundstage. Then diffusion in specific areas can help. www.gikacoustics.com/basics-room-setup-acoustic-panels-bass-traps/13.3" MacBook Air, 4GB RAM, 256GB SSD, iTunes/BitPerfect MacBook Air SuperDrive Western Digital My Book Essential 2TB USB HD Schiit Bifrost USB DAC and Audioengine D3 DAC Emotiva USP-1, ERC-1 and two UPA-1s Pro-Ject Xpression III and AT440MLa AKAI AT-2600 and Harman Kardon TD4400 Grado SR80i Wharfedale Diamond 225 Magnestand MMG Rythmik Audio F12 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 14:42:52 GMT -5
Stage 3. With the addition of these 9 panels the room's "ambiance" has drastically changed. Simply walking across the floor with each step the sense of airiness has disappeared. Panels measure 4' x 1' x 2".  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 15:10:11 GMT -5
Any thoughts on using bass traps for the corners? Perhaps in the future. I wasn't expecting an audible change from simply adding the two 4' x 2'x x 2" panels behind the towers. The left side panel definitely helped in squashing some boominess and while lessening the left side gain. I don't doubt that a bass trap in the front left corner might improve things. I'm going to halt adding any more panels at this time and just listen for awhile. enjoying the system. |
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Post by creimes on Mar 31, 2020 15:45:33 GMT -5
Stage 3. With the addition of these 9 panels the room's "ambiance" has drastically changed. Simply walking across the floor with each step the sense of airiness has disappeared. Panels measure 4' x 1' x 2". Just sitting around and lounging in my room where my system resides is more chill and relaxing due to the acoustic treatments, if people are over and we are chatting it's not so in your face and loud haha. Chad |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 31, 2020 16:19:49 GMT -5
Get a bigger TV; one that isn't so dwarfed by the speakers. Tell the wife it's part of the room acoustics upgrade. You can pull it off.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 16:24:10 GMT -5
Get a bigger TV; one that isn't so dwarfed by the speakers. Tell the wife it's part of the room acoustics upgrade. You can pull it off. Ha, there's a big price leap in OLED technology from a 65" to 88" television. Don't think I'll be able to pull that one off! www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED88Z9PUA-signature-oled-8k-tv |
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Post by brutiarti on Mar 31, 2020 16:31:44 GMT -5
Stage 3. With the addition of these 9 panels the room's "ambiance" has drastically changed. Simply walking across the floor with each step the sense of airiness has disappeared. Panels measure 4' x 1' x 2". Beautiful! Now just block those windows with first reflection treatments and you will have a perfect listening room  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 18:31:15 GMT -5
Stage 3. With the addition of these 9 panels the room's "ambiance" has drastically changed. Simply walking across the floor with each step the sense of airiness has disappeared. Panels measure 4' x 1' x 2". Beautiful! Now just block those windows with first reflection treatments and you will have a perfect listening room Thanks, any ideas other than curtains? |
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Post by megash0n on Mar 31, 2020 18:32:56 GMT -5
Beautiful! Now just block those windows with first reflection treatments and you will have a perfect listening room Thanks, any ideas other than curtains? Panels on legs so you can move them in front of the windows when it matters. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 18:40:05 GMT -5
Just expressing my observation after having treated the wall behind the system. I'm actually in uncharted waters as this is the first time a soundstage has opened up to me in a 3d sense. There is definitely an addition of depth that hadn't existed before.
Just loving this system. Streaming Amazon's ultimate jazz station through DTS Play Fi app.
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Post by megash0n on Mar 31, 2020 18:49:44 GMT -5
Just expressing my observation after having treated the wall behind the system. I'm actually in uncharted waters as this is the first time a soundstage has opened up to me in a 3d sense. There is definitely an addition of depth that hadn't existed before. Just loving this system. Streaming Amazon's ultimate jazz station through DTS Play Fi app. Just don't make it too dead. ☺ I've been in rooms where people think you should cover all the walls and it sounds pretty bad. I remade my panels not too long ago and used a different fabric that I think may have caused a little more reflection than the burlap. I haven't verified anything with measurements yet. Kinda waiting on Dirac before I really start measuring anything else like decay time, etc.. |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 31, 2020 18:55:29 GMT -5
Get a bigger TV; one that isn't so dwarfed by the speakers. Tell the wife it's part of the room acoustics upgrade. You can pull it off. Where's the TV? I can't see any because those giant speakers are all I notice. Mark |
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Post by ttocs on Mar 31, 2020 19:07:16 GMT -5
Congrats on having success with getting the soundstage to appear! It's a great feeling, isn't it? Those panels look very nice above your system! Blends in nicely with the speakers. I have both the fortune and misfortune of having dipole speakers. These can present some very particular challenges in setup. I watched a presentation about speaker setup and various ways of going about it. One of the speakers, a man - not a audio component - spoke about how he goes about it, and while it's a lot of effort, it's very beneficial. So I went nuts one day and decided to use his method. Martin Logan speakers are "typically" toed in a certain amount, then you play with tilt, etc. Well, using his method I went by what I was hearing and ended up with EXTREME toe-in. This is a long winded way of saying I toed-in the speakers a lot so the front wall has very little interaction between the speakers, but the sound radiating from the rear of the speakers is sent around the room at an acute angle - except that my setup is exactly opposite of yours with my windows next to my Right Speaker. I have absorption 3-1/2' wide and 7' high behind the speaker and left the windows alone. This is the only absorption that's currently in place other than the area rugs which cover about 150 square feet, plus the furniture which includes the aforementioned "problematic"  leather couch and chairs, in a room that's about 600 square feet. And since my speakers are directional there is no "bounce" off the windows like there is with normal drivers. Your speakers have much wider dispersion so the limitations you have will be different from my experience, but, have you played with using major toe-in? Without some pretty intense toe-in your windows are in play with the reflections. For those interested here is the video about speaker setup, the actual instructions are at 18:05. www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Pf0ycbyBM |
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Post by rbk123 on Mar 31, 2020 19:32:53 GMT -5
Where's the TV? I can't see any because those giant speakers are all I notice. You have to get in tight and look real close; it's behind the center channel which is bigger than the TV. Took me a while to find it too. |
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Post by gus4emo on Mar 31, 2020 19:46:30 GMT -5
Get a bigger TV; one that isn't so dwarfed by the speakers. Tell the wife it's part of the room acoustics upgrade. You can pull it off. Yes, the tv looks like a tablet compared to the speakers, it should be at least 80 inches as the minimum... |
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Post by klinemj on Mar 31, 2020 20:29:27 GMT -5
Get a bigger TV; one that isn't so dwarfed by the speakers. Tell the wife it's part of the room acoustics upgrade. You can pull it off. Yes, the tv looks like a tablet compared to the speakers, it should be at least 80 inches as the minimum... I think he needs a bigger house for those speakers. Might I advise some lottery tickets... Mark |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2020 22:56:32 GMT -5
Congrats on having success with getting the soundstage to appear! It's a great feeling, isn't it? Those panels look very nice above your system! Blends in nicely with the speakers. I have both the fortune and misfortune of having dipole speakers. These can present some very particular challenges in setup. I watched a presentation about speaker setup and various ways of going about it. One of the speakers, a man - not a audio component - spoke about how he goes about it, and while it's a lot of effort, it's very beneficial. So I went nuts one day and decided to use his method. Martin Logan speakers are "typically" toed in a certain amount, then you play with tilt, etc. Well, using his method I went by what I was hearing and ended up with EXTREME toe-in. This is a long winded way of saying I toed-in the speakers a lot so the front wall has very little interaction between the speakers, but the sound radiating from the rear of the speakers is sent around the room at an acute angle - except that my setup is exactly opposite of yours with my windows next to my Right Speaker. I have absorption 3-1/2' wide and 7' high behind the speaker and left the windows alone. This is the only absorption that's currently in place other than the area rugs which cover about 150 square feet, plus the furniture which includes the aforementioned "problematic" leather couch and chairs, in a room that's about 600 square feet. And since my speakers are directional there is no "bounce" off the windows like there is with normal drivers. Your speakers have much wider dispersion so the limitations you have will be different from my experience, but, have you played with using major toe-in? Without some pretty intense toe-in your windows are in play with the reflections. For those interested here is the video about speaker setup, the actual instructions are at 18:05. www.youtube.com/watch?v=84Pf0ycbyBMThanks ttocs, I have experimented with toe adjustments [may revisit soon after completion of room treatment]. Tried some radical angles and end up settling on a somewhat modest one. The more extreme toe in resulted in less than ideal listening on either side of the couch. I decided on a toe in that accommodates a wider audience [3 persons] rather than a single sweet spot center on the couch. Sitting far left or right of center on the couch still produces a good soundstage while listening to 3.1 channels. Unless I'm in "critical" mode" I actually prefer to sit on left side of my couch as the left and right recline but the center does not. Thanks for the video! I'm going to view it now. Enjoy! P.S. would love to see your listening room and system ttocs. Please don't hesitate to post your pics in this thread. |
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leather couch and chairs, in a room that's about 600 square feet. And since my speakers are directional there is no "bounce" off the windows like there is with normal drivers.