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Post by boomzilla on Apr 5, 2020 22:25:46 GMT -5
Hair Nick - If you DO get around to stacking some T2s, please (pretty please) write to us & let us know what you thought. Thank you - Boomzilla
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Post by boomzilla on Apr 8, 2020 10:54:33 GMT -5
Hair Nick - Were you serious about trying some stacked T2s? Did you ever do it? What did you think? Boomzilla
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 15:14:44 GMT -5
Hair Nick - Were you serious about trying some stacked T2s? Did you ever do it? What did you think? Boomzilla Ha, during last week's earthquake here in Idaho during the 6.5 quake I was in front of the system at the time when I noticed the mighty Tekton Ulfbherts swaying left to right. My first thought was that the 4-10 subwoofer isn't turned up at this time? Then I dashed away from the listening area where the 78" 225lbs towers reside. Needlessly said, the rubber suspension that is sandwiched between the spikes and flooring got a work out. I'm definitely considering "strapping" the towers to the wall after experiencing an earthquake in Idaho [my 1 year anniversary]. Anyhoot, that's when I thought maybe going "wider" rather than "taller" might be more desirable concerning stacking. I suppose going wider still places the tweeter in the optimum position rather than stacking all them speakers into a single tower with the tweeter 78" above the listener like some kinda siren during incoming artillery. Anyways, stacking the speakers just reminded me of the duplicate pattern top to bottom the Ulfberhts use. No doubt they could of got more creative in placing the speakers in the towers but that'd probably add to the overall price. Hand crafting surely isn't as inexpensive as CAD work which I think but am not sure that Tekton uses. It would explain why they use MDF and offer painted finishes rather than expensive veneers as well as cool cabinets like the Klipsch Palladium etc. I remember approaching Eric of Tekton about custom made cabinets for the Ulfs before my purchase but there hadn't appeared to be any interest. Just curious, is there a technical reason for placing one sub above and one below other than desired tweeter placement in the overall pattern? Might two twelves at the very bottom followed by 4 7" midbass drivers, the MTM array and tweeter at top have more problems than the current pattern? I mean I sometimes hear people suggest to get the subwoofer off the floor etc. The current pattern disappears in the front sound stage making it impossible to tell the localization of the frequencies whereas I suspect having all bass drivers here, all mid bass drivers there, etc might run into?
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Post by Hair Nick on Apr 8, 2020 15:44:37 GMT -5
Hair Nick - Were you serious about trying some stacked T2s? Did you ever do it? What did you think? Boomzilla I haven't been in the office long enough in weeks but when we get back and I have some time I will try this.
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Post by klinemj on Apr 8, 2020 15:55:50 GMT -5
Hair Nick - Were you serious about trying some stacked T2s? Did you ever do it? What did you think? Boomzilla Ha, during last week's earthquake here in Idaho during the 6.5 quake I was in front of the system at the time when I noticed the mighty Tekton Ulfbherts swaying left to right. My first thought was that the 4-10 subwoofer isn't turned up at this time? Then I dashed away from the listening area where the 78" 225lbs towers reside. Needlessly said, the rubber suspension that is sandwiched between the spikes and flooring got a work out. I'm definitely considering "strapping" the towers to the wall after experiencing an earthquake in Idaho [my 1 year anniversary]. Anyhoot, that's when I thought maybe going "wider" rather than "taller" might be more desirable concerning stacking. I suppose going wider still places the tweeter in the optimum position rather than stacking all them speakers into a single tower with the tweeter 78" above the listener like some kinda siren during incoming artillery. Anyways, stacking the speakers just reminded me of the duplicate pattern top to bottom the Ulfberhts use. No doubt they could of got more creative in placing the speakers in the towers but that'd probably add to the overall price. Hand crafting surely isn't as inexpensive as CAD work which I think but am not sure that Tekton uses. It would explain why they use MDF and offer painted finishes rather than expensive veneers as well as cool cabinets like the Klipsch Palladium etc. I remember approaching Eric of Tekton about custom made cabinets for the Ulfs before my purchase but there hadn't appeared to be any interest. Just curious, is there a technical reason for placing one sub above and one below other than desired tweeter placement in the overall pattern? Might two twelves at the very bottom followed by 4 7" midbass drivers, the MTM array and tweeter at top have more problems than the current pattern? I mean I sometimes hear people suggest to get the subwoofer off the floor etc. The current pattern disappears in the front sound stage making it impossible to tell the localization of the frequencies whereas I suspect having all bass drivers here, all mid bass drivers there, etc might run into? Don't take this as any disrespect to you or the speakers, but every time I see that view - I think of a fly's eye. LOL! As to your question on driver placement - I bet if you call Tekton they will share their logic. I've heard they are pretty open and good to talk to. And, my guess would be that it does relate to tweeter placement. Mark
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Post by DavidR on Apr 8, 2020 18:51:58 GMT -5
One well designed tweeter should be sufficient.
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Post by ttocs on Apr 8, 2020 20:08:05 GMT -5
I only ask this to cause trouble, kinda like when I was messing with my brother when we were kids and I said that since Ringo Starr was in the best band in the world that made him to be the best drummer . Can't an array of tweeters be thought of as A tweeter?
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Post by DavidR on Apr 8, 2020 20:49:22 GMT -5
Ringo was far from the best drummer BUT he was perfect for the Beatles music.
IMO, No.
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Post by ttocs on Apr 8, 2020 21:01:02 GMT -5
Ringo was far from the best drummer . . . . . Exactly! That's why it was so much fun for me to say "how could drummer who's not the best be in the best band?". Because I had already gotten a "rise" out of my brother during this contest, I decided to use my form of logic to make his and my arguments a "draw", at least in my mind. Either way, it was fun at the time. I still laugh about it to this moment! So, not A tweeter.
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Post by boomzilla on Apr 9, 2020 4:32:48 GMT -5
One well designed tweeter should be sufficient. Maybe - maybe not. A LOT of manufacturers prefer multiple tweeters including Axiom, McIntosh, and, of course Tekton. There are some theoretical advantages to using multiple tweeters, but a single is far easier to design (from what I've read) than trying to use arrays.
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Post by DavidR on Apr 9, 2020 8:11:58 GMT -5
I immediately thought of those ridiculous Mc speakers that don't sell well. 3 is a few.
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Post by boomzilla on Apr 15, 2020 11:07:01 GMT -5
OK - plan-B (until I find a second pair of T-2s...). With the Airmotive S-15 subs on the floor, put a riser platform atop the subs & then put the upside-down T2’s on the riser. By adjusting riser height, I can try both “tweeters @ ear-level” and “midranges @ ear-level.”
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Post by boomzilla on Apr 17, 2020 13:15:59 GMT -5
Boomzilla , I'm curious what kind of power are you driving them with?? The latest Emo newsletter about a cheap system got me thinking about a set, but it looks like the T2 could be quite power hungry to get them to really perform. I did hear the emo rig at last years Axpona and I remember the system sounding a bit harsh which actually almost kept me from buying the RMC but thankfully I talked to another owner with my same speakers who seemed very happy. I dont need something as high end as my Revels for my PC setup but I'm considering finally upgrading from my old powered Sony SA-VA15 setup... I suppose the other way to skin the cat is to go with a pair of T0 or T1s and then add a pair of subs... I really wanted to hear the new 13 for the theater, its a pity Axpona didnt happen this year I've tried driving the T2 speakers with my 12-watt Heathkit tube mono blocks. Ask garbulky about the sound - it was AMAZING! And yes, 12 watts ARE enough to drive the speakers to any level that I'd normally listen to. BUT - 12 watts are still "only" 12 watts. If you want party levels, you need more power. I think that a 50 to 100 watt tube amplifier would be amazing with T2s. Just be sure the amp you choose has 4-Ohm taps. If you're opting to go solid state instead of tubes, I'd guess that anything of 100 watts on up would probably be sufficient for the T2s. I'm currently using the PA-1 mono blocks with 300 watts into 4 ohms. And they sound great. But I just don't use all that power - so it's overkill for my living room. As to using subwoofers, I think that the T2s are just as much in need of them as would be the T1 or T0 speakers. The T2 speakers go just so low and no lower. It doesn't matter if you equalize the doo out of them, they just won't grunt. You want real deep bass, get a sub. Or even better, get two (or more). And allow me to warn you up front - You can probably play the T2s with an AVR, but you won't hear the speakers at their best. The T2 speakers WILL tell you all about the quality of stuff you're using upstream. The old saying "a chain is no stronger than its weakest link" is true for audio systems as well. And the T2s probably WON'T be that weak link... Boom
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Post by gsand on Apr 17, 2020 13:29:36 GMT -5
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Post by boomzilla on Apr 28, 2020 6:48:52 GMT -5
Well? Well? Well?
Anyone at Emotiva got around to trying this yet?
Didja? Didja? Didja???
LOL - Just had to ask!
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Post by Hair Nick on Apr 28, 2020 9:11:12 GMT -5
Anytime we have been in the office lately it has been for actual work and not our usual loafing around.
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Post by boomzilla on Jun 7, 2020 17:54:59 GMT -5
Quandary time...
Option1: Buy a second pair of used T2s and a second pair of PA-1 amps to get more bass in the room
Option 2: Sell my T2s (and my Airmotiv S15s) and use the $$$ toward a pair of Tekton Double Impacts
Pros? Cons? Alternatives?
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Post by foggy1956 on Jun 7, 2020 18:57:37 GMT -5
Quandary time... Option1: Buy a second pair of used T2s and a second pair of PA-1 amps to get more bass in the room Option 2: Sell my T2s (and my Airmotiv S15s) and use the $$$ toward a pair of Tekton Double Impacts Pros? Cons? Alternatives? Option 2- use the pa-1s to drive the Double Impacts. You won't be sorry.🙂
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Post by audiophill on Jun 7, 2020 19:04:02 GMT -5
I love my double impacts!
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Post by foggy1956 on Jun 7, 2020 19:39:43 GMT -5
Bet you wouldn't even miss the subs with the DIs😎
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