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Post by bluescale on May 1, 2020 13:41:59 GMT -5
View Attachment View Attachment View AttachmentOk, to give you a better idea... The first pic is looking forward. The main viewing area is in the foreground at the ends of the 2 couches. The second pic is looking up at that same position, showing the open ceiling. The last picture is getting up close to the 'Loft' showing the 'ceiling' above the main system. Those speakers high up on the side wall in the first picture - are those surround speakers? If they are, that's going to mess with any height channel. Ideally you want you 7 base channels to be closer to ear height. As far as your room goes, I'd be tempted to use cabling to try to suspend the speakers overhead at about the location listed in the Atmos guide I posted a link to earlier. I'm not 100% sure where the beam is in relation to where you sit, but you could theoretically mount a pair of A1s to that as your front top speakers, and then figure out a means to suspend the rear ones. With a ceiling like you have, I would definitely recommend going with speakers like the A1 that have a cabinet. I could be wrong, but I think if you tried to mount speakers in the ceiling, you'd have some interference from the various beams and rafters between the speakers and your seating position. I also don't know if there's a limit on how high above you speakers can reasonably be mounted before they lose their effectiveness. |
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Post by jh714 on May 2, 2020 9:36:01 GMT -5
View Attachment View Attachment View AttachmentOk, to give you a better idea... The first pic is looking forward. The main viewing area is in the foreground at the ends of the 2 couches. The second pic is looking up at that same position, showing the open ceiling. The last picture is getting up close to the 'Loft' showing the 'ceiling' above the main system. Those speakers high up on the side wall in the first picture - are those surround speakers? If they are, that's going to mess with any height channel. Ideally you want you 7 base channels to be closer to ear height. As far as your room goes, I'd be tempted to use cabling to try to suspend the speakers overhead at about the location listed in the Atmos guide I posted a link to earlier. I'm not 100% sure where the beam is in relation to where you sit, but you could theoretically mount a pair of A1s to that as your front top speakers, and then figure out a means to suspend the rear ones. With a ceiling like you have, I would definitely recommend going with speakers like the A1 that have a cabinet. I could be wrong, but I think if you tried to mount speakers in the ceiling, you'd have some interference from the various beams and rafters between the speakers and your seating position. I also don't know if there's a limit on how high above you speakers can reasonably be mounted before they lose their effectiveness. Yes, That is the right surround. Behind me where I'm taking the picture are the rear surrounds. Part of the problem placing them lower, is that the left surround would be squarely in the walkway between the kitchen, through that small part of the living room, into the bed/bath room hallway. On the back wall, the rear surrounds are actually to either side of a stone fireplace. As you go lower, they would be moving further apart towards the corners and more 'stuff' to interfere with them. All the surrounds sit at 5 feet from the floor. I'm basically making the best of what I have in my room. I can't help but notice that Dolby's site does not show specific height measurements. That cross log/beam that you see is actually almost directly over the main listening area - if anything, a little behind if there are more than 2 people watching. So that's why I kinda look at that loft area as the spot for front heights, and the sloped open ceiling just behind (and above) the log cross beam.... |
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Post by jh714 on May 2, 2020 9:54:48 GMT -5
Ok, to give you a better idea... The first pic is looking forward. The main viewing area is in the foreground at the ends of the 2 couches. The second pic is looking up at that same position, showing the open ceiling. The last picture is getting up close to the 'Loft' showing the 'ceiling' above the main system. Beautiful room! If that were my room, I would install some more logs in appropriate places for supporting ATMOS speakers. It would look great, the form would follow function, and is reverse-able. This would allow the wires to be run on the tops of the support beams and then could be drilled through the speaker-mounting-logs. Further, the new supports can be "strapped" to the existing structure, and can be made out of fence posts. Frankly, one long fence post - about 9' - might be long enough to straddle the cross-beam which I assume is directly over the main viewing seating area from where the photo was taken, with the speakers can be mounted at the ends of the speaker support and they would be in the right position for ATMOS?? The speaker support would be a triangle of posts put together. Thank you ttocs. It is kinda of a cool room. It is the original log cabin built out of the cedar trees that were cleared to make space. It was actually a camp councilor's cabin when it was built in 1960. My wife and I did a huge amount of restoration when we first bought it (yes, ourselves!). I guess you would have called it a 'studio' at that time. We eventually turned it into our living room and buit the rest of our house around it. So, in reference to your thoughts, I'll start out by saying that the existing wires going to the surrounds sit on/in the chinking between the logs. I used Beldon's in wall white jacketed speaker wire which actually blends in very well. You can only see it if you look for it. I do have access to more cedar....I'm trying to absorb what you are describing....You are right about the cross beam....hmmmm What about mounting a set of A1's on the face of the loft....? That would take care of the fronts. The rears. No good behind my cross beam on the ceiling??? Remember, I have a wife.... |
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Post by bluescale on May 2, 2020 16:14:18 GMT -5
Yes, That is the right surround. Behind me where I'm taking the picture are the rear surrounds. Part of the problem placing them lower, is that the left surround would be squarely in the walkway between the kitchen, through that small part of the living room, into the bed/bath room hallway. On the back wall, the rear surrounds are actually to either side of a stone fireplace. As you go lower, they would be moving further apart towards the corners and more 'stuff' to interfere with them. All the surrounds sit at 5 feet from the floor. I'm basically making the best of what I have in my room. I can't help but notice that Dolby's site does not show specific height measurements. That cross log/beam that you see is actually almost directly over the main listening area - if anything, a little behind if there are more than 2 people watching. So that's why I kinda look at that loft area as the spot for front heights, and the sloped open ceiling just behind (and above) the log cross beam.... Yeah, I definitely get having to put speakers in less than ideal locations due to room constraints. In one of my rooms, I have a speaker in the sill of a weird, deep window. Not ideal, but otherwise it would be directly in the walking path that's already narrower than I would like. Since the speakers have to be up high, if at all possible, try angling them down toward the seating area. While not perfect, it'll get you 70% or 80% of the way there. When angling them toward the listener, point them at the far listening spot rather than right at the middle of the seating area. This creates a wider sound bubble. And the more I think about it, the more I feel like you should just try mounting the A1s to the ceiling to see how they sound. Because they will be quite a bit higher than the surrounds, you will hopefully still get the separation effect needed for Atmos. It shouldn't be too hard (assuming you have the right ladder), and the worst that will happen is that they won't provide you much benefit, and you can play with other placement options. When working with non-custom built rooms, often experimentation is the only way to find out what works. |
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