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Post by daveczski65 on May 9, 2020 10:37:31 GMT -5
Is there a difference between old vinly sound and new?
If so..is it significant?
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Post by adaboy on May 9, 2020 11:01:37 GMT -5
Is there a difference between old vinly sound and new? If so..is it significant? Yes and Yes! By new I'm referring to recorded digitally then cut to vinyl. |
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Post by daveczski65 on May 9, 2020 11:15:20 GMT -5
Is there a difference between old vinly sound and new? If so..is it significant? Yes and Yes! By new I'm referring to recorded digitally then cut to vinyl. Thank you for answering ,, Now i take it there is someway to identify if its been recorded from analog or digital? |
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Post by novisnick on May 9, 2020 12:02:32 GMT -5
Yes and Yes! By new I'm referring to recorded digitally then cut to vinyl. Thank you for answering ,, Now i take it there is someway to identify if its been recorded from analog or digital? Thats the $64,000 Question! |
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Post by 405x5 on May 9, 2020 14:46:41 GMT -5
Is there a difference between old vinly sound and new? If so..is it significant? Old vinyl is already scratched up. New vinyl you have to start over. Bill |
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Post by 405x5 on May 10, 2020 10:04:38 GMT -5
Is there a difference between old vinly sound and new? If so..is it significant? Yes and Yes! By new I'm referring to recorded digitally then cut to vinyl. This is always such a riot to me.... After 40 some odd years, the transition to digital is well understood along with why so many early CD 💿’s sounded flat and harsh. Now that we know the process and have digital recordings as warm and clean as they can possibly be, some still insist on going backwards and paying through the nose 👃 for it! Time to put those pesky clicks and pops back in there....yay! They used to have a click pop machine that supposedly minimized the sound of dirt playing back on a record. MAYBE....they should build one that will feed the clicks and pops back into digital.....wouldn’t that be easier? Bill |
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Post by daveczski65 on May 10, 2020 10:09:07 GMT -5
Yes and Yes! By new I'm referring to recorded digitally then cut to vinyl. This is always such a riot to me.... After 40 some odd years, the transition to digital is well understood along with why so many early CD 💿’s sounded flat and harsh. Now that we know the process and have digital recordings as warm and clean as they can possibly be, some still insist on going backwards and paying through the nose 👃 for it! Time to put those pesky clicks and pops back in there....yay! They used to have a click pop machine that supposedly minimized the sound of dirt playing back on a record. MAYBE....they should build one that will feed the clicks and pops back into digital.....wouldn’t that be easier? Bill So true,,never thought of it that way.. |
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Post by drtrey3 on May 10, 2020 10:21:20 GMT -5
Old vinyl that is worn out is pretty easy to identify, as is the wonderful sheen of a well cared for record. Some of those recordings are the only way to hear the music without it being overly compressed. It is more work. I was watching a Michael Fremer video last night in which he postulates that some of us prefer analog because we prefer the distortions of a mechanical variety rather than electrical. That we recognize music that has moving parts, or something like that.
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Post by turner on Oct 14, 2023 7:56:04 GMT -5
Modern heavy vinyl pressings have more dynamics for sure. I do have a few used records that surprise me. Record cleaning technology has come a long way. Cleaning used records and getting the dirt out of the groves can bring them back to life. Most if not all the surface noise can be reduced if the record isn't damaged.
The source also matters. All 180/200 grams pressings I've gotten from music direct sound really good. I got one pressing from Mondo shop and had to clean it for it to sound good, and even then, it's good, but not great. I haven't tried a MoFi pressing yet. I think I rather get 3-4 pressings instead of just one for the price.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 14, 2023 8:49:11 GMT -5
Vinyl is vinyl. that’s why I left the skidmarks running away from it
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Post by turner on Oct 14, 2023 9:28:18 GMT -5
Vinyl is vinyl. that’s why I left the skidmarks running away from it From reading your post, you clearly seem to be against vinyl. Why are you posting about vinyl. The question was the difference between used and new. You aren't adding any useful information about the topic. |
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Post by marcl on Oct 14, 2023 9:33:32 GMT -5
Vinyl is vinyl. that’s why I left the skidmarks running away from it Yeah at the risk of unleashing a cylindrical metallic vessel of non-arthropod invertebrates .... Maybe new vinyl is higher quality with fewer imperfections and could be a little quieter, surface noise-wise. But the ability to capture dynamic range is intrinsically limited by the medium, the technology, the cutting process, and the playback process ... 65db, give or take ... nowhere near the 93db of 16 bit digital. But, it also depends on the mastering. New vinyl made from the same old master should sound identical to old vinyl. New vinyl made from a new master with less compression could sound better than old vinyl. New vinyl made from new digital (as most are) but without as much compression as most CD's get, could sound better. Etc. |
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 14, 2023 9:37:28 GMT -5
Vinyl is vinyl. that’s why I left the skidmarks running away from it From reading your post, you clearly seem to be against vinyl. Why are you posting about vinyl. The question was the difference between used and new. You aren't adding any useful information about the topic. No, no not at all I am not against vinyl… That being said, I don’t watch the Flintstones anymore, either…… The digital age is here to stay. Today vinyl has tremendous uses for me, as in the fact that the lengths people go to achieve nirvana with the medium remains, a never ending source of entertainment. With respect to not adding any useful information about the subject….. I could only say, lauding the digital domain is indeed, very useful. It’s almost mind-boggling the amount of lossless data that is contained on a Blu-ray whereas with a record your married to 20 minutes if you’re lucky and then having to flip the thing along with the dust and static that stuck to the mat…… I rest my case lol |
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 14, 2023 9:45:10 GMT -5
Vinyl is vinyl. that’s why I left the skidmarks running away from it From reading your post, you clearly seem to be against vinyl. Why are you posting about vinyl. The question was the difference between used and new. You aren't adding any useful information about the topic. By the way, you should go back and read the thread topic title for what it’s worth. It is “new vinyl versus old vinyl” not used versus new. That leaves me free to post and comment as I choose. |
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Post by turner on Oct 14, 2023 10:04:48 GMT -5
I agree that digital is here to stay, and I listen to digital 98% of the time, but you can find used and new vinyl records that aren't available on Spotify or Apple Music. or CDs. I ordered the Soundtrack to Atomic Blond on vinyl because Apple Music doesn't have the rights to it. Doesn't look like Amazon does either. Most of the tracks are greyed out. I don't have Spotify anymore, so I don't know about Spotify rights. I don't even see a CD version for sale. I also have older CDs that Apple Music doesn't have rights too.
I don't get the Flintstones reference. Are you comparing the technology of vinyl records to a cartoon?
I don't seek to achieve nirvana with vinyl, but I do prefer some albums and artist on vinyl. It's just another way of listening to music. It's can be an experience to take all the steps and in general, the whole album is listened to. I think the experience and the full album art is why it's popular again. In a rushed digital age of everything, vinyl records slow things down and is a blast from the past. Quality pressings and a good setup can also yield really good sound.
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 14, 2023 10:09:58 GMT -5
I agree that digital is here to stay, and I listen to digital 98% of the time, but you can find used and new vinyl records that aren't available on Spotify or Apple Music. or CDs. I ordered the Soundtrack to Atomic Blond on vinyl because Apple Music doesn't have the rights to it. Doesn't look like Amazon does either. Most of the tracks are greyed out. I don't have Spotify anymore, so I don't know about Spotify rights. I don't even see a CD version for sale. I also have older CDs that Apple Music doesn't have rights too. I don't get the Flintstones reference. Are you comparing the technology of vinyl records to a cartoon? I don't seek to achieve nirvana with vinyl, but I do prefer some albums and artist on vinyl. It's just another way of listening to music. It's can be an experience to take all the steps and in general, the whole album is listened to. I think the experience and the full album art is why it's popular again. In a rushed digital age of everything, vinyl records slow things down and is a blast from the past. Quality pressings and a good setup can also yield really good sound. sorry I thought everyone has seen this my favorite turntable courtesy. The Flintstones reference  |
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Post by turner on Oct 14, 2023 15:40:27 GMT -5
I agree that digital is here to stay, and I listen to digital 98% of the time, but you can find used and new vinyl records that aren't available on Spotify or Apple Music. or CDs. I ordered the Soundtrack to Atomic Blond on vinyl because Apple Music doesn't have the rights to it. Doesn't look like Amazon does either. Most of the tracks are greyed out. I don't have Spotify anymore, so I don't know about Spotify rights. I don't even see a CD version for sale. I also have older CDs that Apple Music doesn't have rights too. I don't get the Flintstones reference. Are you comparing the technology of vinyl records to a cartoon? I don't seek to achieve nirvana with vinyl, but I do prefer some albums and artist on vinyl. It's just another way of listening to music. It's can be an experience to take all the steps and in general, the whole album is listened to. I think the experience and the full album art is why it's popular again. In a rushed digital age of everything, vinyl records slow things down and is a blast from the past. Quality pressings and a good setup can also yield really good sound. sorry I thought everyone has seen this my favorite turntable courtesy. The Flintstones reference I'm genuinely confused. You say you're not against vinyl, but you seem to make fun of it. You seem to bash people who seek it. What is your genuine stance? What do you feel the difference between old and new vinyl is? |
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Post by 405x5 on Oct 14, 2023 16:02:10 GMT -5
“What do you feel the difference between old and new vinyl is? “  |
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Post by turner on Oct 14, 2023 16:34:47 GMT -5
“What do you feel the difference between old and new vinyl is? “ View AttachmentI was hoping for a real detailed feedback. but I can tell I'm just not going to get that from you. Please realize that myself and I'm sure others come here for a real discussion. I feel you are just coming across as trolly. Can we please keep this to new vinyl vs old vinyl please? |
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Post by audiobill on Oct 14, 2023 16:49:59 GMT -5
Turner, With vinyl, you want recordings that were not mastered on digital recorders, prior to about 1982. There’s really no point in buying vinyl mastered digitally, better off with cd, sacd or streaming.
Of course, you can buy (as I have) vinyl reissued from original analog master tapes. Never digitized.
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