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Post by cawgijoe on May 13, 2020 8:25:40 GMT -5
I much prefer Windows, and I can integrate with my 2 iPhones and 2 iPads just fine. PS - If you do get a Mac, get anti-malware (anti-virus) software. The bad guys are attacking Macs these days too. I do information security for a living, and, in 2020, it's just as important to keep Macs patched and protected as a Windows PC. As for me, I think the huge price premium for "coolness" wears off pretty quickly. To me, the best price/performance value out there these days is the Chromebook. I'm using malwarebytes. The Mac OS has it's own system of protection and if set up correctly won't allow you to download anything without a message coming up asking you to adjust the settings to allow. If you are careful and use the App store and stay away from shady sites, you should be good. However having a good security suite that doesn't bog the system down can't hurt. It's more than "coolness" IMO. With my last PC, it took me a year to "stabilize" it. I spent hours and hours reloading Windows, adjusting settings so it was not super slow....my son being much more savvy than I am managed to get it working to the point that it was usable. Again, I have nothing against Windows machines as thats what I use everyday, but I much prefer the improved speed and quality of the Mac. My wife kept telling me to take the POS back to Costco (took the HP back, bought the Dell - Dell better but not much), but my macho self told me I was going to rope this bugger and put it in it's place! For simple tasks the Chromebook is the King. |
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Post by audiobill on May 13, 2020 8:26:56 GMT -5
Just get the Apple, you'll be glad you did.
Pride of ownership, you know.....
PS, get a "refurbished" unit directly from Apple. Full warranty, indistinguishable from new.
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Post by ottaone on May 24, 2020 10:20:29 GMT -5
^+1 Our household has a number of Mac computers bought as refurb. You can save up to 15% + the tax on that 15%.
My only beef on Macs right now is the lack of good tax software (at least in Canada). I was so disappointed with the tax software again this year that I will buy a cheaper windows from Costco just for tax filing purposes. I still don't want to store my tax info in the cloud. I couldn't find good info on a couple of tax software whether the data is geofenced and stored in Canada.
Otherwise, the integrated with everything Apple is simply amazing.
I'm in the market for a Homepod but not seeing this product in refurb yet and local used are still expensive.
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Post by brubacca on May 24, 2020 15:23:43 GMT -5
I am currently at my Mother in Laws house helping her with her Mac Air.
I'm a windows guy. My personal opinion with fumbling around this thing for the last two hours.
Forget MacOS if you are used to Windows.
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Post by tchaik on May 24, 2020 19:06:48 GMT -5
I am currently at my Mother in Laws house helping her with her Mac Air. I'm a windows guy. My personal opinion with fumbling around this thing for the last two hours. Forget MacOS if you are used to Windows. grow up on mac, ya hate windows.. grow up on windows, ya hate mac. same for iPhone -vs- android |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 24, 2020 19:31:39 GMT -5
So did any of the Mac detractors read the OP? What are you using to edit your iPhone videos on Windows? How does it compare to iMovie?
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Post by RichGuy on May 24, 2020 20:53:40 GMT -5
I build my own Windows machines and would never own a Mac.
This is my decktop I built 7 years ago, still a nice high quality machine that works awesome. This isn't for gaming just my basic decktop for general online browsing, record keeping and web design. I also have an awesome HTPC I made for music, TV and movies that lives in a case similar to an Emotiva XPA amp and high quality build throughout.
Desktop
HTPC
These are old slide shows I made to show the parts used, I've done some changes since but not much.
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Post by Gary Cook on May 25, 2020 1:57:30 GMT -5
My home is a 100% Apple environment, iPhones (x 2), iPads (x 4), Airports (x 2), Time Machine, MacMini and Apple TV's (x 2). Everything "talks" to everything else, such as update the shared diary on my iPhone and all of the various diaries are updated. Control lights, security system (inc smoke detectors) and cameras via the Home app on any iDevice. My son, daughter and son in law can gain access and control all of the gear on their iDevices. My son is a photographer and he edits his work on an iPad Pro using Adobe Lightroom. The big advantage of the Apple world is it's sharing environment, that just works, doesn't need hours to set up or maintain.
Hardware wise my MacMini, located in the home office, is a 2014 version (ie; 6 years old) but I'm just about to update to a 2019 version as it's a bit slow with the 64 bit programs, even with 16gb of ram. It has 2 x 27" Del monitors attached plus 3 x 1TB hard drives, 2 are for data the other is for the Time Machine back up. Plus of course a BigEgo and Airmotive 4's. My entire music library is available from the MacMini to any other device, live or synched as required.
I use PC's at work as they run the business applications that I use, plus the race cars all require PC's for tuning, data logging and interpretation. Over the years I have become used to switching between the devices and it doesn't cause me any issues. As a direct comparison doing updates on the Mac is far simpler than on the PC, which needs any number of check the boxes to finalise. I have had several viruses on the PC's, despite running high levels of protection, but not one on the Mac, maybe just luck.
Comparing a similar hardware equipped Mac to a PC there isn't much difference, the big advantage of the Mac for my family is the environment and iDevices that all talk to each other.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by jackfish on May 25, 2020 8:56:00 GMT -5
grow up on mac, ya hate windows.. grow up on windows, ya hate mac. same for iPhone -vs- android I mainly used PCs, including network and workstation administration, from 1984 until 2014 when I retired. During that time I used Macs periodically. My first cell phones were not Apple. There is enough hate to go around for all developers, programmers and systems analysts. I now gladly use Macs, iPads and iPhones. The above quoted statement is an over generalization. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 25, 2020 10:30:48 GMT -5
grow up on mac, ya hate windows.. grow up on windows, ya hate mac. same for iPhone -vs- android I mainly used PCs, including network and workstation administration, from 1984 until 2014 when I retired. During that time I used Macs periodically. My first cell phones were not Apple. There is enough hate to go around for all developers, programmers and systems analysts. I now gladly use Macs, iPads and iPhones. The above quoted statement is an over generalization. My experience was quite similar, I started on Apple ][ then Mac which gave me my interest in computers, but spent my career after that working with Intel based products (1986-2013), also designing, building, administering networks, servers and workstations. First with DOS 3 through 6, then Windows 3 through 7, you use the tools that are best for the job, which was first Netware, then Linux on the servers. I kept a Mac at home most of the time and since I’ve retired that’s all I use (though I keep a Windows 10 VM for Visio). I’m always surprised that many can’t see the value of having a choice, macOS, Windows, Linux, they’re all viable platforms and the competition and development they bring makes all the products better. Each has its strengths and weaknesses, and some truly are better for specific tasks and lifestyles. No hate, just make the right choice for what you like and want to do, there’s plenty of support whatever you choose. |
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Post by novisnick on May 25, 2020 15:19:44 GMT -5
I now recall why I RARELY use my PC. Total crash and I haven’t been able to recover. Running tests half of today. I’m thinking a corrupt Windows 10. I would love to have it operate without problems but I may lean more into Apple. Not sure how to use it but it has to be easier to learn then wondering when my PC will crash AGAIN. Arrgg! 🤯🤬
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Post by garbulky on May 25, 2020 17:52:56 GMT -5
Hi everybody thanks for the feedback. I think I have everything I need.
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Post by vcautokid on May 25, 2020 20:06:37 GMT -5
What?  Garbulky, you can't just leave us like that. What are your thoughts based on our thoughts. Plus I am just being nosy. |
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Post by garbulky on May 25, 2020 21:14:33 GMT -5
What? Garbulky, you can't just leave us like that. What are your thoughts based on our thoughts. Plus I am just being nosy. Sure thing. To address a few points, I already have several windows computers including one "main unit" which is a nice full size capable device. So for me the windows vs mac thing is not really an issue as I am already in Windows territory for PC's. This Mac would be for my wife to use as she has recently gotten into (beginning-intermediate level) video editing. So far she has been doing it on her iphone. Currently her ipad does not have much space. In the past, for video editing I noticed that if I wanted to video edit, there was a lot of tedious transferring between iphone and PC and transferring it back didn't seem to work as seamlessly as if she had just done all the editing on the phone. So I was curious how a mac would interface with the phone. What AudioHTIT told me was greatly useful as I didn't realize macs had airdrop. I have used airdrop before and it's really seamless and fast. To be able to airdrop something from a phone to a mac and then work on it and then airdrop the finished product back into the photos app on the phone would be very useful. Currently my wife is leaning more towards an ipad pro with a large amount of space. But I balk at spending so much for a glorified heavy tablet. At this point, I am not sure if I will purchase a Mac computer as I don't know enough about video editing app interoperability between mac and iphones. Ideally it would be nice for the iphone and mac to run the same video editing app and then interact with each other seamlessly. For instance if she makes a complex edit to one video "track", on the mac, I would like her iphone to see the new edit in the iphone's video editing app and automatically have it available for use to add to a different track and vice versa. So I don't know if anything like that exists. But I am now a little more favorably biased towards a mac purchase, but probably not any time soon. |
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Post by KeithL on May 25, 2020 21:27:24 GMT -5
As you probably know I am not at all a fan of Apple anything....
(I also wouldn't like doing anything that requires detailed anything on a touch screen...)
However, there are other things in the Apple ecosystem besides besides expensive phones, expensive laptops, and expensive tablets. For example, if she doesn't need something portable for video editing, you could look at a Mac Mini... They're actually comparable in price to a high-end desktop PC... and the latest models include quite powerful processors...
What? Garbulky, you can't just leave us like that. What are your thoughts based on our thoughts. Plus I am just being nosy. Sure thing. To address a few points, I already have several windows computers including one "main unit" which is a nice full size capable device. So for me the windows vs mac thing is not really an issue as I am already in Windows territory for PC's. This Mac would be for my wife to use as she has recently gotten into (beginning-intermediate level) video editing. So far she has been doing it on her iphone. Currently her ipad does not have much space. In the past, for video editing I noticed that if I wanted to video edit, there was a lot of tedious transferring between iphone and PC and transferring it back didn't seem to work as seamlessly as if she had just done all the editing on the phone. So I was curious how a mac would interface with the phone. What AudioHTIT told me was greatly useful as I didn't realize macs had airdrop. I have used airdrop before and it's really seamless and fast. To be able to airdrop something from a phone to a mac and then work on it and then airdrop the finished product back into the photos app on the phone would be very useful. Currently my wife is leaning more towards an ipad pro with a large amount of space. But I balk at spending so much for a glorified heavy tablet. At this point, I am not sure if I will purchase a Mac computer as I don't know enough about video editing app interoperability between mac and iphones. Ideally it would be nice for the iphone and mac to run the same video editing app and then interact with each other seamlessly. For instance if she makes a complex edit to one video "track", on the mac, I would like her iphone to see the new edit in the iphone's video editing app and automatically have it available for use to add to a different track and vice versa. So I don't know if anything like that exists. But I am now a little more favorably biased towards a mac purchase, but probably not any time soon. |
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Post by KeithL on May 25, 2020 21:48:04 GMT -5
These days, before you make assumptions about what you can do with video, you should always check all the software... on everything.
For example, I have a 4k Samsung TV, and I can watch 4k video files on it from my computer... This would be no big deal if we were talking about my new computer with the fast processor and the 4k video card...
But I can watch 4k movies, on my 4k TV, even from my old laptop.... The old laptop that doesn't have a 4k video card, and is too slow to even play 4k videos in HD on its own screen. But Samsung has this neat little free app that sends the 4k file directly to the TV over the network... Where the TV plays the file... in 4k...
And, apparently, it doesn't take much processing power to do that... And, using the app, I can do this with pretty well any video the TV can play...
The computer is NOT streaming video to the TV, or casting the video, it's casting the data stream to the TV... (I'm pretty sure it can also share screens... but then it will be limited by whatever screen it's sharing.)
As it so happens, this program has been around for years, it's still officially "a beta", and you won't ever hear about it unless you ask around...
My point is simply that, before you assume that something can't be done, especially if it seems like something people would want to do...
You should do a bit of looking before you give up... You may be surprised... (And, if you have a Samsung TV.... that one is called Smart View.... but I'll bet that other TV vendors have cool little toys too.... )
Hi everybody I appreciate the good thoughts. I think the main reason I would want to get a mac is simply for the integration with iphone and ipad uses and leveraging the size of a 60 inch screen which I would use as the display. . So that's really what I want to focus my attention on? So I guess the thoughts I've had are... What If I can facetime over a 60 inch screen? Can I share my macbooks screen (like internet browser, what I'm watching) with my father's ipad over facetime. Or actually can I share my ipad screen with my father's ipad over facetime?! My wife does video editing of virtual choir videos using acapella and pic play post on apps. Can she "hand it over" to the mac and edit with the mouse? Can we browse our icloud phootos? on the mac. Or transmit our iphone screen on to the mac like you would do on an apple tv? Can you control your phone from your mac? Can we drag and drop our iphone videos wirelessly on to the mac? If we edit the notes app on the mac will it update on our phones? Wow, you ask lots of questions, I’ll only answer the ones I’ve done, Q. What If I can facetime over a 60 inch screen? A. Of course, screen size doesn’t matter. But that begs the question, do you want your Mac to be able to do 4K? (not just upscaled by your TV?) That will require a newer model. Q. Can I share my macbooks screen (like internet browser, what I'm watching) with my father's ipad over facetime. Or actually can I share my ipad screen with my father's ipad over facetime? A. Not sure you can do it with FT, but you can do it with Messages Video Chat. If you both have iPads now, try it. Q. My wife does video editing of virtual choir videos using acapella and pic play post on apps. Can she "hand it over" to the mac and edit with the mouse? A. The way I do it is to take the video with my iPhone, then edit them on the Mac. Q. Can we browse our icloud phootos? on the mac. A. Yes, in the Photos app Q. Or transmit our iphone screen on to the mac like you would do on an apple tv? A. That requires a 3rd party App, I use TV so don’t have a recommendation. Q. Can you control your phone from your mac? A. Not that I’m aware of, Google it. Q. Can we drag and drop our iphone videos wirelessly on to the mac? A. Yes, it’s called AirDrop Q. If we edit the notes app on the mac will it update on our phones? A. Yes, and many other apps, like calendar, contacts, reminders, etc. you just need to point that app to iCloud. If you start doing big things with iCloud you may have to pay for more storage. I pay 99 cents a month for 50GB, it works for me. |
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Post by vcautokid on May 25, 2020 22:19:58 GMT -5
Did we miss something here??
The last two posts left me dazed and confused without making all that money from that great hit.
And I quote.
"So far she has been doing it on her iphone. Currently her ipad does not have much space. In the past, for video editing I noticed that if I wanted to video edit, there was a lot of tedious transferring between iphone and PC and transferring it back didn't seem to work as seamlessly as if she had just done all the editing on the phone. So I was curious how a mac would interface with the phone. What AudioHTIT told me was greatly useful as I didn't realize macs had airdrop. I have used airdrop before and it's really seamless and fast. To be able to airdrop something from a phone to a mac and then work on it and then airdrop the finished product back into the photos app on the phone would be very useful.
Currently my wife is leaning more towards an ipad pro with a large amount of space. But I balk at spending so much for a glorified heavy tablet. At this point, I am not sure if I will purchase a Mac computer as I don't know enough about video editing app interoperability between mac and iphones. Ideally it would be nice for the iphone and mac to run the same video editing app and then interact with each other seamlessly. For instance if she makes a complex edit to one video "track", on the mac, I would like her iphone to see the new edit in the iphone's video editing app and automatically have it available for use to add to a different track and vice versa.
So I don't know if anything like that exists. But I am now a little more favorably biased towards a mac purchase, but probably not any time soon."
Note there is a system question and environment going on here. iPhone and iPad. Has nothing to do with costs outright. He is looking for the completion of the ecosystem. At least that is what I see. I am not going to get into the preferences thing. Plenty of feelings there already. I will let Garbulky know, his decision to wait is a good one. There is a shake up at Apple that Intel may leave the building. That is right! With further development with Atom processing, more and more development is scheming toward that direction. How this will impact the requirements is anyone's guess till Apple shares more details. Unlike the preferences discussion I have no wish to delve into, it is about a workflow issue and nothing else based on the last post Garbulky had shared. Pay close attention for the next WDC conference and wait for the latest as this will affect your selection of whether it makes sense or not. Or if there maybe some savings waiting and getting an Intel based MAC due to their move away from Intel. The other less substantiated news was renewed talks with nVidia. Not holding my breath on that one. But seeing how much of a bust Vega is, who knows how that will go too.
The take away here is cohesiveness. It sounds like Mrs. Garbulky will mostly use this possible MAC anyway for video editing. And with strong support with at least the iPad Pro editing abilities and Apples nice ecosystem that makes sync a snap. Sure, makes sense. Many professionals I have been in contact enjoy that sensibility very much. Others do fine on the Windows side. It is all relative to their workflow, and what fits them best, just as what fits Mrs. Garbulky best. Not whether or not we agree with that or not. I think ultimately if Mrs. Garbulky has not had an opportunity to try out the Mac in a sample edit video environment, she won't know either. Contrast perhaps with the Windows side for comparison. At the end, this is for her and Garbulky. Not us! Something I always shared with others, I am helping you find what works best for YOU! Something that many forget as their own agendas leak into their answers.
Lastly as I say. Buy it nice, or buy it twice!
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Post by KeithL on May 25, 2020 22:29:46 GMT -5
And I'm thinking of an Apple computer that stopped running one day at the office..... And the answer was "I guess it just isn't going to accept that update - which seems not to be optional - so I guess we have to buy a new one". (It stopped working after an automatic update... and we would have happily rolled it back... but... you know... that wasn't an option...)
Now, to be fair, you can end up in pretty much the same situation with a Windows computer (where it won't run the current software you want).
But I find it odd how Apple fans seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that this happens just as often with Apple computers.
Sure, your iPhone is great, as long as you trade it in every two years for the latest model... which seems to cost you more and more every year. (I wonder, percentage wise, if there are more Windows XP PCs, or Apple iPhone 3's, still "on the road"...)
And do you really mean to tell me that you can't think of an Apple program that REQUIRED you to upgrade to the latest operating system...? (Oddly, I actually remember a time when "any Apple Mac would run any Apple program"...)
And, for that matter, that you can't think of another program that DOESN'T work quite right on the latest operating system update...?
I agree... to a degree... It's really cool when that Mac Mini crashes, and you can reinstall the entire O/S by holding down two buttons while turning it on... But it's not so cool when, after the third try, it still doesn't work... And you start wishing that there was a half day of tests that might actually get it to work in the end...
Perhaps you should try reinstalling Windows 10 on your crashed computer...
It's not really much more difficult than reinstalling the Mac/OS... 
I now recall why I RARELY use my PC. Total crash and I haven’t been able to recover. Running tests half of today. I’m thinking a corrupt Windows 10. I would love to have it operate without problems but I may lean more into Apple. Not sure how to use it but it has to be easier to learn then wondering when my PC will crash AGAIN. Arrgg! 🤯🤬 |
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Post by Boomzilla on May 25, 2020 23:17:57 GMT -5
My only rec here is: IF Mrs. garbulky wants to go Mac, make ALL her devices Apple. Don’t try to mix Microsoft & Apple - that way lies madness! |
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Post by novisnick on May 26, 2020 1:14:29 GMT -5
And I'm thinking of an Apple computer that stopped running one day at the office..... And the answer was "I guess it just isn't going to accept that update - which seems not to be optional - so I guess we have to buy a new one". (It stopped working after an automatic update... and we would have happily rolled it back... but... you know... that wasn't an option...)
Now, to be fair, you can end up in pretty much the same situation with a Windows computer (where it won't run the current software you want).
But I find it odd how Apple fans seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that this happens just as often with Apple computers.
Sure, your iPhone is great, as long as you trade it in every two years for the latest model... which seems to cost you more and more every year. (I wonder, percentage wise, if there are more Windows XP PCs, or Apple iPhone 3's, still "on the road"...)
And do you really mean to tell me that you can't think of an Apple program that REQUIRED you to upgrade to the latest operating system...? (Oddly, I actually remember a time when "any Apple Mac would run any Apple program"...)
And, for that matter, that you can't think of another program that DOESN'T work quite right on the latest operating system update...?
I agree... to a degree... It's really cool when that Mac Mini crashes, and you can reinstall the entire O/S by holding down two buttons while turning it on... But it's not so cool when, after the third try, it still doesn't work... And you start wishing that there was a half day of tests that might actually get it to work in the end...
Perhaps you should try reinstalling Windows 10 on your crashed computer...
It's not really much more difficult than reinstalling the Mac/OS...
I now recall why I RARELY use my PC. Total crash and I haven’t been able to recover. Running tests half of today. I’m thinking a corrupt Windows 10. I would love to have it operate without problems but I may lean more into Apple. Not sure how to use it but it has to be easier to learn then wondering when my PC will crash AGAIN. Arrgg! 🤯🤬 Yep! I agree but I’ve only had one ipad that wasn’t too happy with an update. It started running Sooooo Slooooow! 😲 I needed a new one, but it was more then 5 years old If I remember correctly. This PC was built by myself and has worked wonderfully until I had to go with Windows 10. I really don’t care for it compared to 7 but that’s just me. I understand that they have improved it since it’s first release. I get it, I’ve been in both systems for years and years and preferred 7 for the office and Mac for everything else. Now, Windows wants to know all and sell everything. The new install 🙏🙏 of W 10 has gone well so far. After installing Office I’ve been bombarded with purchase requests/demands LOL to upgrade to 365. The English language has changed last I saw and writing a letter is still the same, right? I don’t want their stinking upgrade (payment plan). one system is about the same but for tablets and phones. Give me my Apple and let me sin! LOL MS has gotten much better only due to market loss and having to keep up with 🍎. My needs aren’t great but I do enjoy using my Mac Mini as a music server. Super small, powerful enough for my needs and can be place in my rack with a minimum footprint. I do love that we have a choice but if I had to go with one or the other I believe you know my choice. 🍎 |
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Garbulky, you can't just leave us like that. What are your thoughts based on our thoughts. Plus I am just being nosy.
