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Post by 405x5 on May 19, 2020 20:15:04 GMT -5
With my Emotiva equipment, my home theater / home audio is already way above average. If you have to go with longer speaker wire length, increase the wire gauge accordingly. I have two ten foot speaker wires, so I went with 8 gauge. Do I need 8 gauge? I don't know, but it can't hurt. Bigger is always better, right??? Haha! I am not disappointed. 8 gauge!! Wow! ( You can cook more than just your music with that!
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Post by cgolf on May 20, 2020 6:32:20 GMT -5
All the debate, discussion, disagreement, agreement, thoughts, ideas, terminology, etc. is all wonderful and fun but in the end basically doesn't really matter or make any difference. Yes, at some point the length and/or gauge of speaker wire can/will make a difference in SQ. Most of the time and for most of our ears (especially us older folks), we'll never hear the difference because we can't hear much of anything anyway!! So lets focus on something that really matters and has substance, truth and meaningful impact. AMPS. An amp in it's true sense is just supposed to amplify, yes? So in a pure sense, they should only have impact on levels and I guess distortion but not on tone or quality (unless quality=distortion & power level). In truth, there shouldn't be any difference in SQ from any amp because all they do is amplify, not impact or change. So why does every amp manufacturer talk about how different their amps make in SQ. They all claim to have a signature. Yes or no?
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Post by 405x5 on May 20, 2020 9:34:38 GMT -5
All the debate, discussion, disagreement, agreement, thoughts, ideas, terminology, etc. is all wonderful and fun but in the end basically doesn't really matter or make any difference. Yes, at some point the length and/or gauge of speaker wire can/will make a difference in SQ. Most of the time and for most of our ears (especially us older folks), we'll never hear the difference because we can't hear much of anything anyway!! So lets focus on something that really matters and has substance, truth and meaningful impact. AMPS. An amp in it's true sense is just supposed to amplify, yes? So in a pure sense, they should only have impact on levels and I guess distortion but not on tone or quality (unless quality=distortion & power level). In truth, there shouldn't be any difference in SQ from any amp because all they do is amplify, not impact or change. So why does every amp manufacturer talk about how different their amps make in SQ. They all claim to have a signature. Yes or no? A 50 watt per channel amplifier (as an example) can drive large loudspeakers as well as a 200 watt amp. at average db. Levels. I think the confusion plays in, when the larger amp. delivers the goods at higher volume levels and that gets skewed with SQ. Bill
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Post by ttocs on May 20, 2020 10:21:19 GMT -5
A 50 watt per channel amplifier (as an example) can drive large loudspeakers as well as a 200 watt amp. at average db. Levels. Bill The opposite of this statement was demonstrated to me in 1979. I went to pickup my new system and was selling my Advents to the store manager so I brought them along. I had been using them with a 35 watt RMS receiver and they sounded good, but I something was missing. He hooked them up to a receiver with 120 watts and at low volume they sounded so good I had second thoughts about selling them, he saw the look on my face and he shoved the money into my hand. I was shocked at the difference. They came alive with the extra nourishment. I was happy enough with my new purchase that it took 32 years before I thought about replacing the speakers - when they needed a third re-cone, so I went to the next level up. And btw, the integrated amp I bought only had 85 watts RMS per channel, but the speakers were a match made in heaven to the amp. The difference in this case was the ability of the speakers to produce great bass even at low volume with the extra headroom the stronger amp had. THAT'S what was missing when I had them at home. One way to think about it is like when you've got two guys lifting weights. You've got a 100 pound barbell and both guys can definitely lift that much and prove it. But, one guy is a lot stronger and can lift a lot more weight, so, even though the extra strength isn't " needed" to lift this much weight he can do it more effortlessly and quicker.
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Post by 405x5 on May 20, 2020 19:30:55 GMT -5
A 50 watt per channel amplifier (as an example) can drive large loudspeakers as well as a 200 watt amp. at average db. Levels. Bill The opposite of this statement was demonstrated to me in 1979. I went to pickup my new system and was selling my Advents to the store manager so I brought them along. I had been using them with a 35 watt RMS receiver and they sounded good, but I something was missing. He hooked them up to a receiver with 120 watts and at low volume they sounded so good I had second thoughts about selling them, he saw the look on my face and he shoved the money into my hand. I was shocked at the difference. They came alive with the extra nourishment. I was happy enough with my new purchase that it took 32 years before I thought about replacing the speakers - when they needed a third re-cone, so I went to the next level up. And btw, the integrated amp I bought only had 85 watts RMS per channel, but the speakers were a match made in heaven to the amp. The difference in this case was the ability of the speakers to produce great bass even at low volume with the extra headroom the stronger amp had. THAT'S what was missing when I had them at home. One way to think about it is like when you've got two guys lifting weights. You've got a 100 pound barbell and both guys can definitely lift that much and prove it. But, one guy is a lot stronger and can lift a lot more weight, so, even though the extra strength isn't " needed" to lift this much weight he can do it more effortlessly and quicker. Totally different than what I was referring to...sorry I wasn’t clear enough. Talking under the assumption of component gear and comparing high and lower powered amps with THE SAME PREAMP. You brought your speakers to an entirely different location and a totally different receiver. Anyway, just another rabbit hole to go down I suppose. Bill
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Post by jmilton on May 20, 2020 20:21:42 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on May 20, 2020 21:23:12 GMT -5
Yes indeed....proof that class D’s are better suited for sub. application.
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Post by creimes on May 20, 2020 21:51:01 GMT -5
Yes indeed....proof that class D’s are better suited for sub. application.
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Post by pedrocols on May 21, 2020 7:46:03 GMT -5
I currently have three amps in my current system and I can guarantee you they do sound different. Make that 4 amps if you add my AVR.
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Post by jmilton on May 21, 2020 9:05:38 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on May 21, 2020 9:17:34 GMT -5
$9000.00 ......For that 8 channel unit. So only the well heeled get top notch class D. Why?
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Post by jmilton on May 21, 2020 15:19:48 GMT -5
$9000.00 ......For that 8 channel unit. So only the well heeled get top notch class D. Why? So...Use your stimulus check!
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Post by 405x5 on May 21, 2020 16:08:33 GMT -5
$9000.00 ......For that 8 channel unit. So only the well heeled get top notch class D. Why? So...Use your stimulus check! I might
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