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Post by markc on Nov 19, 2020 10:10:06 GMT -5
Hi! Thanks for the quick info. So I have to wait. DSD via USB not working. I have to wait for an update . HDMI ARC not working without problems. I have to wait for an update. Continuous network connection causes problems. I have to wait for an update. This preamp/processor costs about 4000 USD with taxes in Europe. Funny. We are beta testing... We always have been. It is part of the Emotiva club (And to some extent, most complex hardware companies)
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Post by dougsing on Nov 20, 2020 17:14:37 GMT -5
Are the XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1 currently able to do DSD over PCM (DoP) via the USB input? I have tried to playing several DSF files in DSD64 without success. My Roon or JRiver software says the file is playing but the display on the front of my RMC-1L shows 24 bit 176 kHz rather than DSD. There is no sound output. I thought this feature was still under development. If it is ready to go, how do I go about getting this to work?
Doug
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 21, 2020 12:52:25 GMT -5
I saw a while back that HLG is reqognised as well as supported.
How about HDR10+? Do RMC-1/XMC-2 reqognise the format in the info window or just a passthrough? Or not supported at all?
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Post by LCSeminole on Nov 21, 2020 19:48:39 GMT -5
I saw a while back that HLG is reqognised as well as supported. How about HDR10+? Do RMC-1/XMC-2 reqognise the format in the info window or just a passthrough? Or not supported at all? You are going to need those that have HDR10+ capable TV's and sources to give this a try. Which are mainly 2019/2020 Samsung TV's and the latest Panasonic UHD blu-ray players(DP-UB420/820/9000) with a limited amount on 4K UHD bluray media. I also think Amazon and Google have streaming content with their latest streamers.
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Post by atomic4877 on Nov 21, 2020 22:03:01 GMT -5
Does anybody have an idea of what the lifecycle should be on the rmc-1 with it being modular and all. I am looking at a trying to get something that is upgradable so that it won’t be dropped/replaced in 2 years. The modular design of this makes it appealing as it should be able to be supported for quite sometime.
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Post by markc on Nov 22, 2020 5:23:58 GMT -5
The Modular XMC-1 had an upgradeable lifespan of almost 4 years (2014-2018 when the last HDMI board came out) before it was deemed no longer viable to upgrade circuits. (The unit is not defunct however, and is a great and reliable SSP as long as you don't need Atmos / DTS:X)
Admirably, Emotiva did the very honourable thing upon deciding not to develop hardware upgrades for the XMC-1 and gave a very well priced migration to the (still) Experimental XMC-2 / RMC-1L and RMC-1
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Post by hblue on Nov 22, 2020 16:10:07 GMT -5
I have an Xbox One X and an XMC-2. I noticed in a recent Xbox upgrade that DTS:X Home Theater is now one of the output setting options on the Xbox. When I select it, the Xbox refuses to allow it saying that my processor does not support DTS:X.
Is this a real limitation ie something special about the "Home Theater" branding in the name?
Or is the Xbox or XMC-2 software just not negotiating properly?
Thanks!
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Post by atomic4877 on Nov 22, 2020 18:51:37 GMT -5
I have an Xbox One X and an XMC-2. I noticed in a recent Xbox upgrade that DTS:X Home Theater is now one of the output setting options on the Xbox. When I select it, the Xbox refuses to allow it saying that my processor does not support DTS:X. Is this a real limitation ie something special about the "Home Theater" branding in the name? Or is the Xbox or XMC-2 software just not negotiating properly? Thanks! I have the same issue with my series x and Marantz 8805. Thinking it must be something to do with the Xbox.
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Post by aswiss on Nov 23, 2020 9:39:16 GMT -5
I have an Xbox One X and an XMC-2. I noticed in a recent Xbox upgrade that DTS:X Home Theater is now one of the output setting options on the Xbox. When I select it, the Xbox refuses to allow it saying that my processor does not support DTS:X. Is this a real limitation ie something special about the "Home Theater" branding in the name? Or is the Xbox or XMC-2 software just not negotiating properly? Thanks! This is for sure a XBOX Problem - all my Players work just fine with DTS.X.
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Post by aswiss on Nov 23, 2020 9:46:28 GMT -5
I saw a while back that HLG is reqognised as well as supported. How about HDR10+? Do RMC-1/XMC-2 reqognise the format in the info window or just a passthrough? Or not supported at all? HLG is working here as well (Sport Live Events in UHD with HLG mainly). HDR10+ is made by Samsung and was intended to do the same as Dolby Vision does. But First tests showed out, that its the same than HDR10 (Standard). I think only Panasonic was additionally supporting this on a Player and some TVs. This is Niche Product - I don't really need it as Dolby Vision and HDR does the job already.
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Post by motogp34 on Nov 23, 2020 18:28:09 GMT -5
Turned on bi amp front on xmc2 and it went squirrly and had to reboot ?
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Post by ttocs on Nov 23, 2020 18:36:44 GMT -5
The Bi Amp setting is a "digital only" setting, and doesn't work with analog inputs, there's a delay and volume difference.
I use it for a particular work-around. Since I have Wides for the multichannel movie stuff, I use Bi Amp on one Preset for a daily viewing setup when I don't want the tube amps on, so the Wide speakers become the L&R.
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 24, 2020 7:13:45 GMT -5
The Bi Amp setting is a "digital only" setting, and doesn't work with analog inputs, there's a delay and volume difference. I use it for a particular work-around. Since I have Wides for the multichannel movie stuff, I use Bi Amp on one Preset for a daily viewing setup when I don't want the tube amps on, so the Wide speakers become the L&R. It actually sends out audio that’s gone through the upmixer. That’s why it sounds so strange. And this ONLY with analog inputs used with Reference Stereo.
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 24, 2020 7:28:18 GMT -5
I saw a while back that HLG is reqognised as well as supported. How about HDR10+? Do RMC-1/XMC-2 reqognise the format in the info window or just a passthrough? Or not supported at all? HLG is working here as well (Sport Live Events in UHD with HLG mainly). HDR10+ is made by Samsung and was intended to do the same as Dolby Vision does. But First tests showed out, that its the same than HDR10 (Standard). I think only Panasonic was additionally supporting this on a Player and some TVs. This is Niche Product - I don't really need it as Dolby Vision and HDR does the job already. Yes, I don’t need it either. But I think Emotiva should support any format they can, as long as it’s not too much work involved. In this case just passthrough with recognition needed. What I’ve read it does indeed make improvements to HDR10 but does not reach Dolby Vision due to it using 12bit instead of 10bit with HDR10+. But it’s free (almost)..
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Post by KeithL on Nov 24, 2020 11:37:09 GMT -5
HDR10+ is very similar to "regular HDR10". The main difference is that it allows certain settings to be changed dynamically. (It also includes a few somewhat less exciting extras.)
This means that, rather than having to be set once at the beginning of a scene, they can be changed during the scene. In theory this enables an HDR10+ device to "track scenes with a lot of variation better"...
But how much difference this makes is obviously going to depend mostly on the content.
The thing that many people seem not to understand is the difference between "impressive technology" and "useful technology". For example, if you were to walk out into bright sunlight, after spending an hour in a cave, you would find the sunlight quite blindingly bright. Would it be cool if your latest "super duper HDR" TV could duplicate this experience accurately?
Maybe (I personally prefer not to need my sunglasses when I want to watch a movie.) Would it be "useful" or "significant"?
That's a different story.
If the color rendition on The Martian was actually realistic we'd all have ended up with a bad sunburn after those bright scenes.
(Current TV technology does a lousy job of reproducing the UV rays that give you a sunburn... we'd need an even wider gamut than HDR for that.)
I think I'll pass on that degree of "veritas".
Most cameras don't really handle going from a dark cave to the desert sun very well - without changing lenses and filters. (In fact our eyes do a far better job at that particular thing.)
So that's where things like editing come into play. And why modern movies have so many scene cuts.
Part of great editing is being able to portray "walking into blinding sun", WITHOUT forcing you to reach for sunglasses... And to fix things so that, when that happens, you can still make out the action... (And, when you look at it that way, I'm not sure having a TV that really can make your eyes hurt is such a needful innovation.)
This is a nice way of saying that, while I think HDR is just peachy, it doesn't replace good acting, or good directing... And it carries the risk of producers believing that, if the colors are bright enough, and the scenes vibrant enough, they can safely forego the former...
("Really pretty explosions, and oversaturated colors, do not a great movie make...")
To be honest it's "just one more detail to keep track of".... (And, yes, they do add up.)
HLG is working here as well (Sport Live Events in UHD with HLG mainly). HDR10+ is made by Samsung and was intended to do the same as Dolby Vision does. But First tests showed out, that its the same than HDR10 (Standard). I think only Panasonic was additionally supporting this on a Player and some TVs. This is Niche Product - I don't really need it as Dolby Vision and HDR does the job already. Yes, I don’t need it either. But I think Emotiva should support any format they can, as long as it’s not too much work involved. In this case just passthrough with recognition needed. What I’ve read it does indeed make improvements to HDR10 but does not reach Dolby Vision due to it using 12bit instead of 10bit with HDR10+. But it’s free (almost)..
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Post by hsamwel on Nov 24, 2020 20:01:03 GMT -5
HDR10+ is very similar to "regular HDR10". The main difference is that it allows certain settings to be changed dynamically. (It also includes a few somewhat less exciting extras.)
This means that, rather than having to be set once at the beginning of a scene, they can be changed during the scene. In theory this enables an HDR10+ device to "track scenes with a lot of variation better"...
But how much difference this makes is obviously going to depend mostly on the content.
The thing that many people seem not to understand is the difference between "impressive technology" and "useful technology". For example, if you were to walk out into bright sunlight, after spending an hour in a cave, you would find the sunlight quite blindingly bright. Would it be cool if your latest "super duper HDR" TV could duplicate this experience accurately?
Maybe (I personally prefer not to need my sunglasses when I want to watch a movie.) Would it be "useful" or "significant"?
That's a different story.
If the color rendition on The Martian was actually realistic we'd all have ended up with a bad sunburn after those bright scenes.
(Current TV technology does a lousy job of reproducing the UV rays that give you a sunburn... we'd need an even wider gamut than HDR for that.)
I think I'll pass on that degree of "veritas".
Most cameras don't really handle going from a dark cave to the desert sun very well - without changing lenses and filters. (In fact our eyes do a far better job at that particular thing.)
So that's where things like editing come into play. And why modern movies have so many scene cuts.
Part of great editing is being able to portray "walking into blinding sun", WITHOUT forcing you to reach for sunglasses... And to fix things so that, when that happens, you can still make out the action... (And, when you look at it that way, I'm not sure having a TV that really can make your eyes hurt is such a needful innovation.)
This is a nice way of saying that, while I think HDR is just peachy, it doesn't replace good acting, or good directing... And it carries the risk of producers believing that, if the colors are bright enough, and the scenes vibrant enough, they can safely forego the former...
("Really pretty explosions, and oversaturated colors, do not a great movie make...")
To be honest it's "just one more detail to keep track of".... (And, yes, they do add up.)
Yes, I don’t need it either. But I think Emotiva should support any format they can, as long as it’s not too much work involved. In this case just passthrough with recognition needed. What I’ve read it does indeed make improvements to HDR10 but does not reach Dolby Vision due to it using 12bit instead of 10bit with HDR10+. But it’s free (almost).. The point of this being that you don’t support HDR10+ because you think it’s useless? Is this the same reason you have for Auro3D btw?
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Post by rbk123 on Nov 24, 2020 20:18:05 GMT -5
The point of this being that you don’t support HDR10+ because you think it’s useless? Is this the same reason you have for Auro3D btw? Close. His painfully long-winded point is HDR is like special effects/action - frequently used to hide bad acting and writing, which, of course had nothing to do with what was being discussed... Man, Keith has laid some eggs in his time, but this one is a real beaut.
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Post by geebo on Nov 24, 2020 20:26:44 GMT -5
I think Keith is saying that while he thinks HDR is just peachy, he would rather see good acting and good directing than an impressive picture. Others may think an HDR picture is more important. Having both is great but it doesn't always work out that way. He never implied that HDR10+ is useless IMHO.
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Post by cwt on Nov 24, 2020 23:11:12 GMT -5
I think it would be handy if someone checked this list of relevant hdr10+ discs fed whatever is available into a pana 420/820/9000 uhd player and noted the gui forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=300877 hdr10+ has the advantage over hdr10 of doing better with high ansi contrast scenes ;hdr10 is fine if everything is shot in space and is predominately black is the way I look at things [pardon the pun ]
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Post by megash0n on Nov 24, 2020 23:41:40 GMT -5
The point of this being that you don’t support HDR10+ because you think it’s useless? Is this the same reason you have for Auro3D btw? Close. His painfully long-winded point is HDR is like special effects/action - frequently used to hide bad acting and writing, which, of course had nothing to do with what was being discussed... Man, Keith has laid some eggs in his time, but this one is a real beaut. I believe the term is "deflection".
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