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Post by Lsc on Feb 20, 2021 23:55:41 GMT -5
Is there anyone that know what DTS direct option actually do? I could guess that ENABLED only does 7.1 Neural:X upmixing and DISABLED the full 7.1.4 upmixing? Basically fooling Neural:X into thinking you have a lesser system with ENABLED. If yes, then how useful is this? DTS ES and DD EX and such formats only want surround to surround back upmixing. Neural:X do stuff into the front stage as well I believe? But maybe some want it not to upmix to the height speakers.. DTS Dialog Control if the same as provided by DTS only works if DTS:X is in full object format with the dialog placed in its own object. Or is this something else? Btw cycling through the menus in 2.2 is the slowest it has been since before 1.10 atleast. Whatever version it was that added the hugh speed increase. No real issues though. Everything went fine with the update and no bugs found. The sound seems smoother, less prone to siblance with female voices on some recordings. Also smoother overall.. I also wish the firmware release notes would have just been clearer for DTS direct. Edit: From a google search I got this. Looks like DTS direct alters how “Neural:X behaves. In my system Neural:X is much quieter but raise the volume 5 dB, Neural:X sounds outstanding. [Switching the mode of the DTS decoder (Neural:X) You can switch the DTS decoder to “Direct Mode” or “Non-Direct Mode.” When in “Direct Mode,” the audio is extracted and reproduced as closely as possible to what the content creator intended. When in “Non-Direct Mode,” the audio is extracted and adapted to fit as closely as possible to the speaker layout of the playback system (regardless of the source configuration). This function only works when the DTS stream is input.] So in our processors it probably would be a little clearer if the menu went: Setup -> Preferences -> DTS Neural:X -> Direct Mode [checkbox]. |
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Post by markc on Feb 21, 2021 4:42:28 GMT -5
I also wish the firmware release notes would have just been clearer for DTS direct. Edit: From a google search I got this. Looks like DTS direct alters how “Neural:X behaves. In my system Neural:X is much quieter but raise the volume 5 dB, Neural:X sounds outstanding. [Switching the mode of the DTS decoder (Neural:X)
You can switch the DTS decoder to “Direct Mode” or “Non-Direct Mode.”
When in “Direct Mode,” the audio is extracted and reproduced as closely as possible to what the content creator intended. When in “Non-Direct Mode,” the audio is extracted and adapted to fit as closely as possible to the speaker layout of the playback system (regardless of the source configuration). This function only works when the DTS stream is input.]So in our processors it probably would be a little clearer if the menu went: Setup -> Preferences -> DTS Neural:X -> Direct Mode [checkbox]. For Googling, you seem to have copy/pasted this from the Sony website (their 2020 STR-ZA5000ES Processor) but I think you may have misunderstood what Sony actually meant. Without the full text (pasted below) , that might lead people along to the same incorrect conclusion: All Sony are saying is that, for them, the setting relates only to switching Neural:X On or Off. Neural:X ON (Sony Non-Direct Mode = our Emotiva Surround Mode (which engages Neural:X for DTS sources)) or Neural:X OFF (Sony Direct Mode = our Emotiva Direct Mode (what I use for listening to music Blu-rays like live concerts) Switching the mode of the DTS decoder (Neural:X)
You can switch the DTS decoder to “Direct Mode” or “Non-Direct Mode.”
When in “Direct Mode” the audio is extracted and reproduced as closely as possible to what the content creator intended. When in “Non-Direct Mode” the audio is extracted and adapted to fit as closely as possible to the speaker layout of the playback system (regardless of the source configuration). This function only works when the DTS stream is input.
Select Setup - Audio Setup from the home menu.
Select Neural:X
Select the setting you want.
On: The DTS decoder is switched to “Non-Direct Mode.”
Off: The DTS decoder is switched to “Direct Mode.”
Note
You cannot set this function to (Off) when (Neural:X) is selected.
You cannot set this function to (On) in the following cases:
(2ch Stereo), (Direct) or (Dolby Surround) is selected.
(Pure Direct) is set to (On). |
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Post by markc on Feb 21, 2021 4:54:31 GMT -5
I also wish the firmware release notes would have just been clearer for DTS direct. In my system Neural:X is much quieter but raise the volume 5 dB, Neural:X sounds outstanding. This is interesting, as I had major issues with the Neural:X volume (and probably quality) prior to 2.1, but none after and none now with 2.2 Firmware 2.1 resolved in an instant all of the problems I had been getting with DTS playback using Neural:X. I even probably started to prefer the Neural:X upmixing from 5.1/7.1 to my 7.1.2 system than using the Dolby Surround Upmixer to do it. However, because this relied on converting Dolby and DTS sources to PCM in the player and streaming that, I simply went back to the more standard way of bitstreaming both raw sources and simply let the XMC-2's Neural:X take care of DTS and Dolby Surround Upmixer take care of Dolby. I remain puzzled about this new DTS setting and can find nothing about it. I even checked for a new XMC-2 manual, but we are still on the Version 1.0 August 2019 on the Emotiva product page (and Ver 1.1 August 2019 for RMC) Rather than expect a whole new manual rewrite, perhaps someone from Emotiva can document it here? (or, better yet, revise and improve the firmware notes until the manual can be revised and approved) |
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Post by rew452 on Feb 21, 2021 6:22:52 GMT -5
One bad thing for me with v2.2 firmware update is now ARC is acting flaky. Now I Have change inputs a couple of times to get it to sync to get audio.
Previously v2.1 ARC synced immediately. Perhaps in future releases Emotiva can provide some sort of selection of ways to sync with ARC.
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 21, 2021 7:36:16 GMT -5
...For Googling, you seem to have copy/pasted this from the Sony website (their 2020 STR-ZA5000ES Processor) but I think you may have misunderstood what Sony actually meant. Without the full text (pasted below) , that might lead people along to the same incorrect conclusion: All Sony are saying is that, for them, the setting relates only to switching Neural:X On or Off.... Actually, I believe (at least in context) what he's posting "is" correct. With "DTS Direct" enabled in my 7.1.4 system and Neural:X is the upmixer, I get no activity from the tops. All of the activity remains in the bed layers. So (and I will rewrite this in Emotiva's terms)... When "DTS Direct” is enabled, the audio is extracted and reproduced as closely as possible to what the content creator intended. When in “DTS Direct” is disabled, the audio is extracted and adapted to fit as closely as possible to the speaker layout of the playback system (which, in different terms, Neural:X functions normally). In short, I believe this is just another way to turn upmixing "off" without having to manually change to a different "Direct" mode. I would agree that this could have been better placed as a "Main Zone" option rather than a settings level preference. Although, personally, I have disable it and will likely never use it. As for "DTS Dialog Control"... this applies only to DTS:X encoded material which supports the feature. It does what the name would imply. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 21, 2021 7:46:03 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with the direct remote input buttons or cycling buttons up and down. They certainly go ”fast enough” IMO. What I’m taking about is the settings. Cycling through options there is NOT fast. You can actually see the refresh drawing the screen after each remote press. Emotiva should ditch the live update and overlay graphics in the settings IMO. With the simple text based setup they have it would be like running MSDOS on a new Core i9 processor PC. Insanely fast.. Just ditching the overlay would help enormously. To make this smooth they would have needed to have add a GPU handling the overlay. Exactly why would you need to see the video in the background while editing your settings? Live update is only warranted in some settings dealing with sound. Certainly not in the input settings menu anyway. Sorry for the rant, not directed to you specifically.  You know what, I’ve never even thought about it....I’ll check it out when I’m able to play with the tv. Family watching now. I’m not understanding how to replicate and/or test for the slow menu....I’m running through the menu and pressing buttons and it’s not slow.....what can I try? “Test for Dummies?”. Don’t mean to demean this, just want to see what others are seeing. Thank you. Edit: ok, I went into settings and changed inputs on screen from Preset 2 to Preset 1....it takes about 4 seconds for the audio to switch and come back on.....is this something we are talking about? |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 21, 2021 8:25:53 GMT -5
Is there anyone that know what DTS direct option actually do? I could guess that ENABLED only does 7.1 Neural:X upmixing and DISABLED the full 7.1.4 upmixing? Basically fooling Neural:X into thinking you have a lesser system with ENABLED. If yes, then how useful is this? DTS ES and DD EX and such formats only want surround to surround back upmixing. Neural:X do stuff into the front stage as well I believe? But maybe some want it not to upmix to the height speakers.. DTS Dialog Control if the same as provided by DTS only works if DTS:X is in full object format with the dialog placed in its own object. Or is this something else? Btw cycling through the menus in 2.2 is the slowest it has been since before 1.10 atleast. Whatever version it was that added the hugh speed increase. No real issues though. Everything went fine with the update and no bugs found. The sound seems smoother, less prone to siblance with female voices on some recordings. Also smoother overall.. I also wish the firmware release notes would have just been clearer for DTS direct. Edit: From a google search I got this. Looks like DTS direct alters how “Neural:X behaves. In my system Neural:X is much quieter but raise the volume 5 dB, Neural:X sounds outstanding. [Switching the mode of the DTS decoder (Neural:X) You can switch the DTS decoder to “Direct Mode” or “Non-Direct Mode.” When in “Direct Mode,” the audio is extracted and reproduced as closely as possible to what the content creator intended. When in “Non-Direct Mode,” the audio is extracted and adapted to fit as closely as possible to the speaker layout of the playback system (regardless of the source configuration). This function only works when the DTS stream is input.] So in our processors it probably would be a little clearer if the menu went: Setup -> Preferences -> DTS Neural:X -> Direct Mode [checkbox]. Maybe our technical writer has a huge revision of the API and User Manual coming super soon. #fingerscrossed |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 21, 2021 8:29:00 GMT -5
I also wish the firmware release notes would have just been clearer for DTS direct. In my system Neural:X is much quieter but raise the volume 5 dB, Neural:X sounds outstanding. This is interesting, as I had major issues with the Neural:X volume (and probably quality) prior to 2.1, but none after and none now with 2.2 Firmware 2.1 resolved in an instant all of the problems I had been getting with DTS playback using Neural:X. I even probably started to prefer the Neural:X upmixing from 5.1/7.1 to my 7.1.2 system than using the Dolby Surround Upmixer to do it. However, because this relied on converting Dolby and DTS sources to PCM in the player and streaming that, I simply went back to the more standard way of bitstreaming both raw sources and simply let the XMC-2's Neural:X take care of DTS and Dolby Surround Upmixer take care of Dolby. I remain puzzled about this new DTS setting and can find nothing about it. I even checked for a new XMC-2 manual, but we are still on the Version 1.0 August 2019 on the Emotiva product page (and Ver 1.1 August 2019 for RMC) Rather than expect a whole new manual rewrite, perhaps someone from Emotiva can document it here? (or, better yet, revise and improve the firmware notes until the manual can be revised and approved) +1 for this #SOP |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 21, 2021 8:29:41 GMT -5
You know what, I’ve never even thought about it....I’ll check it out when I’m able to play with the tv. Family watching now. I’m not understanding how to replicate and/or test for the slow menu....I’m running through the menu and pressing buttons and it’s not slow.....what can I try? “Test for Dummies?”. Don’t mean to demean this, just want to see what others are seeing. Thank you. Edit: ok, I went into settings and changed inputs on screen from Preset 2 to Preset 1....it takes about 4 seconds for the audio to switch and come back on.....is this something we are talking about? Actually, "input switching" isn't what he's referring to. It's menu operation over live video which is also very dependent upon the source resolution and whether the source audio is PCM or bitstreamed. To see this for yourself, put a 4K UHD Blu-ray in one of your players (where the audio is being bitstreamed) and, while it is playing, press " Menu" on your factory remote and try to navigate the " Settings" menu. It should be easy to see that each button press does not meet with an " immediate" response in the OSD. There is typically a delay. This can become extremely sluggish if the video is paused. Each button press "is" remembered, but the OSD takes all the time it needs to update. Now, this whole issue can be skewed by ones definition of "slow", but the reality of the situation is that we're not in the old days of the XMC-1 where our video sources topped out at 1080p and where the OSD was very responsive. Personally, I'm convinced that (because of the need to blend the OSD over live 4K video) this is exactly why other brands are moving away from a live OSD for basic settings. Having said that, I'm not so sure that (other for than the "slow bug" that effects paused video), the overall responsiveness will get any better than it is. Hope this helps... |
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Post by megash0n on Feb 21, 2021 8:32:21 GMT -5
...For Googling, you seem to have copy/pasted this from the Sony website (their 2020 STR-ZA5000ES Processor) but I think you may have misunderstood what Sony actually meant. Without the full text (pasted below) , that might lead people along to the same incorrect conclusion: All Sony are saying is that, for them, the setting relates only to switching Neural:X On or Off.... Actually, I believe (at least in context) what he's posting "is" correct. With "DTS Direct" enabled in my 7.1.4 system and Neural:X is the upmixer, I get no activity from the tops. All of the activity remains in the bed layers. So (and I will rewrite this in Emotiva's terms)... When "DTS Direct” is enabled, the audio is extracted and reproduced as closely as possible to what the content creator intended. When in “DTS Direct” is disabled, the audio is extracted and adapted to fit as closely as possible to the speaker layout of the playback system (which, in different terms, Neural:X functions normally). In short, I believe this is just another way to turn upmixing "off" without having to manually change to a different "Direct" mode. I would agree that this could have been better placed as a "Main Zone" option rather than a settings level preference. Although, personally, I have disable it and will likely never use it. As for "DTS Dialog Control"... this applies only to DTS:X encoded material which supports the feature. It does what the name would imply. In simple terms, how does this differ from the "surround" mode? Are you guys suggesting that surround is native, DTS direct is surround plus up mix to bed channels, and then dts-N is for up mixing wherever it decides? Mainly my question is how does dts direct differ from Surround in your opinion? |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 21, 2021 8:52:28 GMT -5
Actually, I believe (at least in context) what he's posting "is" correct. With "DTS Direct" enabled in my 7.1.4 system and Neural:X is the upmixer, I get no activity from the tops. All of the activity remains in the bed layers. So (and I will rewrite this in Emotiva's terms)... When "DTS Direct” is enabled, the audio is extracted and reproduced as closely as possible to what the content creator intended. When in “DTS Direct” is disabled, the audio is extracted and adapted to fit as closely as possible to the speaker layout of the playback system (which, in different terms, Neural:X functions normally). In short, I believe this is just another way to turn upmixing "off" without having to manually change to a different "Direct" mode. I would agree that this could have been better placed as a "Main Zone" option rather than a settings level preference. Although, personally, I have disable it and will likely never use it. As for "DTS Dialog Control"... this applies only to DTS:X encoded material which supports the feature. It does what the name would imply. In simple terms, how does this differ from the "surround" mode? Are you guys suggesting that surround is native, DTS direct is surround plus up mix to bed channels, and then dts-N is for up mixing wherever it decides? Mainly my question is how does dts direct differ from Surround in your opinion? In my opinion, it's just another way to turn Neural:X off (without selecting another mode) if you're always going to prefer the native mix. Personally, I'm never going to not prefer the up mix, so I'm leaving it disabled. I don't know how it compares to basic "Surround", but you're welcomed to give it a try and let your own ears decide...  EDIT... But to add a possible benefit, a 5.1 and 7.1 bed channel layout differs in the location of the surround speaker placement. The way I understand Emotiva’s “Surround” mode to work, in a 7.1 speaker configuration using a 5.1 source, a copy of the Surround channel is scaled back and placed into the back channels. Now, if Neural:X is creative when using “DTS Direct” in the same scenario, the 5.1 mix could be precisely placed within the same 7.1 speaker layout. I’m not claiming this is how it works, only that it’s possible... |
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Post by cawgijoe on Feb 21, 2021 9:16:14 GMT -5
I’m not understanding how to replicate and/or test for the slow menu....I’m running through the menu and pressing buttons and it’s not slow.....what can I try? “Test for Dummies?”. Don’t mean to demean this, just want to see what others are seeing. Thank you. Edit: ok, I went into settings and changed inputs on screen from Preset 2 to Preset 1....it takes about 4 seconds for the audio to switch and come back on.....is this something we are talking about? Actually, "input switching" isn't what he's referring to. It's menu operation over live video which is also very dependent upon the source resolution and whether the source audio is PCM or bitstreamed. To see this for yourself, put a 4K UHD Blu-ray in one of your players (where the audio is being bitstreamed) and, while it is playing, press " Menu" on your factory remote and try to navigate the " Settings" menu. It should be easy to see that each button press does not meet with an " immediate" response in the OSD. There is typically a delay. This can become extremely sluggish if the video is paused. Each button press "is" remembered, but the OSD takes all the time it needs to update. Now, this whole issue can be skewed by ones definition of "slow", but the reality of the situation is that we're not in the old days of the XMC-1 where our video sources topped out at 1080p and where the OSD was very responsive. Personally, I'm convinced that (because of the need to blend the OSD over live 4K video) this is exactly why other brands are moving away from a live OSD for basic settings. Having said that, I'm not so sure that (other for than the "slow bug" that effects paused video), the overall responsiveness will get any better that it is. Hope this helps... Thanks Doc! I’ll do this later today and report back. Just a footnote for me though....I rarely if ever go into the menu to adjust anything while playing a 4K bluray on the 203, or for that matter my Directv HR44....the only thing I ever to is switch inputs or raise and lower the volume. This could be why I’ve never noticed this before. Again, I will report back later after my Costco and Lowe’s run.... Thanks again. Edit: I tried it. Playing video.....checking menu.....moving around in the menu....clicking fast......did the same while pausing.....same result.,...it’s a bit of a lag, but not bad. Probably doing something wrong, but I’m not finding it to be super slow. |
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Post by Goodfella on Feb 21, 2021 9:18:55 GMT -5
Couldn’t you neuter it digitally by stopping any CEC signals passing through. Maybe by adding a ”CEC All Off” feature? Tried turning off CEC, still popping and snapping. Tried hard reboot, still popping and snapping. Turned off Loudness, popping and snapping greatly reduced. I guess I will manually turn it on for music listening. Is Loudness only applicable to 2.0 sources or other sources? What sources does this setting affect? |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 21, 2021 9:25:46 GMT -5
Tried turning off CEC, still popping and snapping. Tried hard reboot, still popping and snapping. Turned off Loudness, popping and snapping greatly reduced. I guess I will manually turn it on for music listening. Is Loudness only applicable to 2.0 sources or other sources? What sources does this setting affect? Loudness can be applied to multichannel sources as well as stereo sources. However, I find the effect upon multichannel to be a bit overwhelming and wouldn’t use it for such. I’m a traditionalist and wouldn’t use it other than for what “Loudness” was originally intended for and, even at that, would only use it manually and only as needed... |
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Post by hsamwel on Feb 21, 2021 9:34:42 GMT -5
I’m not understanding how to replicate and/or test for the slow menu....I’m running through the menu and pressing buttons and it’s not slow.....what can I try? “Test for Dummies?”. Don’t mean to demean this, just want to see what others are seeing. Thank you. Edit: ok, I went into settings and changed inputs on screen from Preset 2 to Preset 1....it takes about 4 seconds for the audio to switch and come back on.....is this something we are talking about? Actually, "input switching" isn't what he's referring to. It's menu operation over live video which is also very dependent upon the source resolution and whether the source audio is PCM or bitstreamed. To see this for yourself, put a 4K UHD Blu-ray in one of your players (where the audio is being bitstreamed) and, while it is playing, press " Menu" on your factory remote and try to navigate the " Settings" menu. It should be easy to see that each button press does not meet with an " immediate" response in the OSD. There is typically a delay. This can become extremely sluggish if the video is paused. Each button press "is" remembered, but the OSD takes all the time it needs to update. Now, this whole issue can be skewed by ones definition of "slow", but the reality of the situation is that we're not in the old days of the XMC-1 where our video sources topped out at 1080p and where the OSD was very responsive. Personally, I'm convinced that (because of the need to blend the OSD over live 4K video) this is exactly why other brands are moving away from a live OSD for basic settings. Having said that, I'm not so sure that (other for than the "slow bug" that effects paused video), the overall responsiveness will get any better that it is. Hope this helps... Yes, exactly! Even when running video the menus aren’t fast. Nothing with Emotiva processors are. When there’s no video output and no input the menu navigation is really really fast on the processor display. It’s this kind of speed you actually would expect from such a simple GUI Emotiva uses in 2021. I also believe that speedwise nothing will become better unless they drop the video overlay feature for the settings. It’s really nice for processor information though (volume, input, mode and info). In these cases it doesn’t really hurt the percieved speed of the processor. They switch fast enough IMO. |
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Post by hsamwel on Feb 21, 2021 9:53:56 GMT -5
In simple terms, how does this differ from the "surround" mode? Are you guys suggesting that surround is native, DTS direct is surround plus up mix to bed channels, and then dts-N is for up mixing wherever it decides? Mainly my question is how does dts direct differ from Surround in your opinion? In my opinion, it's just another way to turn Neural:X off (without selecting another mode) if you're always going to prefer the native mix. Personally, I'm never going to not prefer the up mix, so I'm leaving it disabled. I don't know how it compares to basic "Surround", but you're welcomed to give it a try and let your own ears decide... EDIT... But to add a possible benefit, a 5.1 and 7.1 bed channel layout differs in the location of the surround speaker placement. The way I understand Emotiva’s “Surround” mode to work, in a 7.1 speaker configuration using a 5.1 source, a copy of the Surround channel is scaled back and placed into the back channels. Now, if Neural:X is creative when using “DTS Direct” in the same scenario, the 5.1 mix could be precisely placed within the same 7.1 speaker layout. I’m not claiming this is how it works, only that it’s possible... Surround does no upmixing. 5.1 is output as 5.1 with whatever setup you have above it. 6.1 outputs as 7.1 (only doubling the back speaker), 7.1 as 7.1 and anything above as 7.1. It simply outputs straight as the source is up to 7.1. It’s THE mode to use especially for multi channel music were upmixing can totally destroy the sound. I have asked Emotiva to change its name because it does not explain what it does. Straight, Direct or Native are better names. Direct however can be misinterpreted as many AVR’s use this for ”no EQ” sound mode. If DTS Direct does exactly the same I don’t get the addition of i.. However if it’s connected to Neural:X and with enabled only upmix to the bed channels (7.1) and with the option disabled upmixes to the full speaker layout (9.1.6 with Pro) it seems a better addition. |
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Post by hsamwel on Feb 21, 2021 10:38:44 GMT -5
Just tested DTS Direct.
It does what other prepro’s and AVR’s does with Auto mode. It simply says ”DTS-HD MA 5.1”
as sound mode on their displays. Emotiva does not have this and defaults to upmixing instead.
With DTS Direct enabled.
A DTS 5.1 source simply gets a straight decoding with the ”upmixing” to 7.1 if the speaker layout
is available, as required by DTS. No additional mixing or anything to the channels.
With DTS Direct disabled.
Normal full upmixed Neural:X up to 11.1 channels. Anyway until DTS:X Pro arrives.
As Doc said, this feature is more appropriately put in Main Zone menu than in Preferences.
So this means Surround mode is still different and is better suited for music sources.
But for those wanting the music always played back from surround back this is nice addition.
IMO not nicely implemented though. DTS Direct should have been a sound mode instead
of an option to tick on or off. Why is there not a Dolby Direct?
These modes should be the default modes also.
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 21, 2021 10:53:35 GMT -5
In my opinion, it's just another way to turn Neural:X off (without selecting another mode) if you're always going to prefer the native mix. Personally, I'm never going to not prefer the up mix, so I'm leaving it disabled. I don't know how it compares to basic "Surround", but you're welcomed to give it a try and let your own ears decide... EDIT... But to add a possible benefit, a 5.1 and 7.1 bed channel layout differs in the location of the surround speaker placement. The way I understand Emotiva’s “Surround” mode to work, in a 7.1 speaker configuration using a 5.1 source, a copy of the Surround channel is scaled back and placed into the back channels. Now, if Neural:X is creative when using “DTS Direct” in the same scenario, the 5.1 mix could be precisely placed within the same 7.1 speaker layout. I’m not claiming this is how it works, only that it’s possible... Surround does no upmixing. 5.1 is output as 5.1 with whatever setup you have above it. 6.1 outputs as 7.1 (only doubling the back speaker), 7.1 as 7.1 and anything above as 7.1. It simply outputs straight as the source is up to 7.1. It’s THE mode to use especially for multi channel music were upmixing can totally destroy the sound. I have asked Emotiva to change its name because it does not explain what it does. Straight, Direct or Native are better names. Direct however can be misinterpreted as many AVR’s use this for ”no EQ” sound mode. If DTS Direct does exactly the same I don’t get the addition of i.. However if it’s connected to Neural:X and with enabled only upmix to the bed channels (7.1) and with the option disabled upmixes to the full speaker layout (9.1.6 with Pro) it seems a better addition. Thanks for the clarification as to how “Surround” works. I haven’t used this mode since my XMC-1 (which was retired several years ago). I did remember something being “copied” to the back channels and now you’ve clarified what that was... |
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 21, 2021 10:58:41 GMT -5
Just tested DTS Direct. It does what other prepro’s and AVR’s does with Auto mode. It simply says ”DTS-HD MA 5.1” as sound mode on their displays. Emotiva does not have this and defaults to upmixing instead. With DTS Direct enabled. A DTS 5.1 source simply gets a straight decoding with the ”upmixing” to 7.1 if the speaker layout is available, as required by DTS. No additional mixing or anything to the channels. With DTS Direct disabled. Normal full upmixed Neural:X up to 11.1 channels. Anyway until DTS:X Pro arrives. As Doc said, this feature is more appropriately put in Main Zone menu than in Preferences. So this means Surround mode is still different and is better suited for music sources. But for those wanting the music always played back from surround back this is nice addition. IMO not nicely implemented though. DTS Direct should have been a sound mode instead of an option to tick on or off. Why is there not a Dolby Direct? These modes should be the default modes also. I concur and is what I found to be true in my system (and mentioned above). With DTS Direct enabled, all bed channels are active, but no expansion into the “atmospheric” channels. |
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Post by JKCashin on Feb 21, 2021 11:09:04 GMT -5
Wait... what Disney+ app on Shield? I have the latest shield and there's no Disney+ app... do you have an older version? Nope... I have the 2019 Shield Pro and there’s definitely a Disney+ app... 😊 View AttachmentI was confused.. I was thinking of the Apple TV app |
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