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Post by bitzerjdb on Jul 25, 2021 17:06:33 GMT -5
I've been following the HDfury support thread closely and 99% of the issues are due to cables. The common theme is that Monoprice Cables and a lot on Amazon are hit or miss. I have a box of cables that work to some degree. In my case, the RMC was the issue, Connecting direct from the Source to the TV would sync, putting the RMC in the middle caused a lot of issues. FYI - HDFury recommends Zeskit and Cable Matter cables. Both are available on Amazon and can be easily returned. The Cable Matter cables are dirt cheap. It's very possible that you have HW issues, but you might want to get some new cables and try them before you send the unit back to the Mothership. Great idea, I'm willing to try new cables. Since your RMC-1 was the issue, what was done to fix it? Did you have to send it back in? I gave up on the internal switch and went with an External one and a simple HDMI Input to the RMC. It's been working great and my syncing issues are a thing of the past. In this mode, I can enjoy the Emotiva sound and avoid the problematic parts (at least for me).
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 25, 2021 17:42:53 GMT -5
Great idea, I'm willing to try new cables. Since your RMC-1 was the issue, what was done to fix it? Did you have to send it back in? I gave up on the internal switch and went with an External one and a simple HDMI Input to the RMC. It's been working great and my syncing issues are a thing of the past. In this mode, I can enjoy the Emotiva sound and avoid the problematic parts (at least for me). We shouldn't have to use external switchers. I hate to yield to a work around on a piece of equipment at this price point. There should be a fix. I don't know, maybe HDMI standards need to be stricter so every piece of equipment up and downstream can talk to each other. The HDMI cable manufactures should also be held to a strict level of performance. I'm not sure if that is happening or not. But anyway... rant over. My LG UBK90 blu-ray has dual HDMI outs and if I hook one to the TV and one to the RMC-1 HDMI input 1 for audio and now all is well. When I turn off the RMC-1 the audio automatically goes to the TV's speakers. So at least I have a way to watch blu-rays and enjoy the RMC-1. FireStick is hooked to HDMI input 2 and works great. Those are my only two inputs. So for now I can play with different cables and see if I can find an answer. I'll still call Emo tomorrow and see what insight they have as well. But since my set up was working I have to think something changed in the performance of one of the three pieces of the puzzle. I got a new blu-ray player today so that isn't it. So either the TV or the RMC-1 has issues now.
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Post by ttocs on Jul 25, 2021 18:33:37 GMT -5
We shouldn't have to use external switchers. I hate to yield to a work around on a piece of equipment at this price point. There should be a fix. I don't know, maybe HDMI standards need to be stricter so every piece of equipment up and downstream can talk to each other. The HDMI cable manufactures should also be held to a strict level of performance. I'm not sure if that is happening or not. But anyway... rant over. My LG UBK90 blu-ray has dual HDMI outs and if I hook one to the TV and one to the RMC-1 HDMI input 1 for audio and now all is well. When I turn off the RMC-1 the audio automatically goes to the TV's speakers. So at least I have a way to watch blu-rays and enjoy the RMC-1. FireStick is hooked to HDMI input 2 and works great. Those are my only two inputs. So for now I can play with different cables and see if I can find an answer. I'll still call Emo tomorrow and see what insight they have as well. But since my set up was working I have to think something changed in the performance of one of the three pieces of the puzzle. I got a new blu-ray player today so that isn't it. So either the TV or the RMC-1 has issues now. Connect a player directly to the tv. Force the player into a low operating mode, low refresh rate, low resolution, etc. Then connect the player to the RMC and try again. Start with the lowest common denominator and see if anything has success before going for more gusto.
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 25, 2021 19:02:21 GMT -5
We shouldn't have to use external switchers. I hate to yield to a work around on a piece of equipment at this price point. There should be a fix. I don't know, maybe HDMI standards need to be stricter so every piece of equipment up and downstream can talk to each other. The HDMI cable manufactures should also be held to a strict level of performance. I'm not sure if that is happening or not. But anyway... rant over. My LG UBK90 blu-ray has dual HDMI outs and if I hook one to the TV and one to the RMC-1 HDMI input 1 for audio and now all is well. When I turn off the RMC-1 the audio automatically goes to the TV's speakers. So at least I have a way to watch blu-rays and enjoy the RMC-1. FireStick is hooked to HDMI input 2 and works great. Those are my only two inputs. So for now I can play with different cables and see if I can find an answer. I'll still call Emo tomorrow and see what insight they have as well. But since my set up was working I have to think something changed in the performance of one of the three pieces of the puzzle. I got a new blu-ray player today so that isn't it. So either the TV or the RMC-1 has issues now. Connect a player directly to the tv. Force the player into a low operating mode, low refresh rate, low resolution, etc. Then connect the player to the RMC and try again. Start with the lowest common denominator and see if anything has success before going for more gusto. Just tried that. Dropped it all the way down to 480p and it still didn't work on the RMC-1 The thing to remember is it all worked fine at one point. Since I've replaced the blu-ray player with a new one and it still doesn't work I have to think the RMC-1 HDMI card might be the issue. I could hook another TV up to it I guess just to be sure...
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Post by ttocs on Jul 25, 2021 19:12:31 GMT -5
Connect a player directly to the tv. Force the player into a low operating mode, low refresh rate, low resolution, etc. Then connect the player to the RMC and try again. Start with the lowest common denominator and see if anything has success before going for more gusto. Just tried that. Dropped it all the way down to 480p and it still didn't work on the RMC-1 The thing to remember is it all worked fine at one point. Since I've replaced the blu-ray player with a new one and it still doesn't work I have to think the RMC-1 HDMI card might be the issue. I could hook another TV up to it I guess just to be sure... Yeah, you probably should try another tv, but it's not looking good. Something, either in the tv or processor has failed. sorry I don't recall if you've mentioned it, but have you tried re-flashing the firmware?
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 25, 2021 19:21:19 GMT -5
The plot thickens! I might owe my RMC-1 an apology yet.
We've got a 32" Samsung 1080p TV that I just hooked up to the RMC-1 in place of my FireTV and hooked the blu ray directly to the RMC-1 at set back to auto on the resolution output and everything works.
HUM... So did something go bad on my TV or is some setting just wrong now. I've reset the TV back to factory settings once already, I might have to try it again and start over.
Quick thought. I wonder if the fact the 32" is only 1080P is part of it. Less bandwidth needed so ok on whatever cables I'm using now. I hate the thought of moving my other 4k down to the basement where the HT stuff is...
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 25, 2021 19:51:07 GMT -5
Good thing I drug the upstairs TV downstairs to test. It works fine and its 4k. SOOOO it is the Fire TV not the RMC-1. I'm kind of relieved . I didn't want to deal with sending it back Attachments:
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 26, 2021 7:01:04 GMT -5
Good thing I drug the upstairs TV downstairs to test. It works fine and its 4k. SOOOO it is the Fire TV not the RMC-1. I'm kind of relieved . I didn't want to deal with sending it back Have your TV a setting for enhanced input? A sort of high bandwidth setting for the input. My Sony TV has. Without it I’m limited to 10Gbps and with it on it extends to 18Gbps. If I have a too high bandwidth setting in a source I get no picture with the 10Gbps setting. Seems strange it works with one device and not with others I think..
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 26, 2021 11:15:53 GMT -5
Good thing I drug the upstairs TV downstairs to test. It works fine and its 4k. SOOOO it is the Fire TV not the RMC-1. I'm kind of relieved . I didn't want to deal with sending it back Have your TV a setting for enhanced input? A sort of high bandwidth setting for the input. My Sony TV has. Without it I’m limited to 10Gbps and with it on it extends to 18Gbps. If I have a too high bandwidth setting in a source I get no picture with the 10Gbps setting. Seems strange it works with one device and not with others I think.. I'm kinda at a loss trying to understand it right now. I reset the TV to factory settings and tried about everything I could to make it work. 1. It was a cheap TV. 2. It is still under warranty. 3. I know Best Buy will say the RMC-1 is the issue since everything works when I hook directly to the TV. As far as a enhanced input, if you hooked your 4k blu-ray player up to your TV and it was set at the lower setting you'd have problems, right? When I hook the BR right up to the TV its fine, even though its sending as high a bandwidth as the RMC-1 would passing the video to the TV. So I think its some weird CEC issue but why did it work for a while but not now? I can't turn the CEC off on the BR player but I have on the TV and the RMC-1. For now as much as I hate work arounds out of principle, I'm using the second HDMI on the LG BR to feed the audio to the RMC-1 and the primary HDMI to feed the TV its picture. So at least I have full use of the BR player this way. I might mess around with a few other ideas like a HDMI booster or something just to see if maybe going from the BR to the RMC to the TV is just too much signal drop for the TV, and maybe my better upstairs TV can make it work but the cheap basement one can't?
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 26, 2021 11:38:44 GMT -5
Has anyone used fiber optic HDMI cables with the RMC-1?
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Post by ttocs on Jul 26, 2021 11:48:34 GMT -5
Has anyone used fiber optic HDMI cables with the RMC-1? I don't think this is the issue unless your cable lenth is longer than 16'. I use a 6' cable for source to XMC-2, then a 10' cable out to tv. But, each time my tv would update without me knowing it would set the HDMI inputs for the lower spec, so I'd have to change it to Enhanced Format for full bandwidth. It's why I crippled my tv. No wifi, no CEC (as much as it allows me to turn off anyway), no auto updates, and I use the non-ARC output of the XMC-2 and turn off HDMI CEC. These strange issues are why I will suggest that only one source and the tv be connected for diagnosing issues. "Something" in the system will try to take charge when you least expect it. In my system several years ago it was my TV4K that turned on CEC on my projector without me knowing. It took almost two weeks to figure it out after I disconnected everything and just used one source at a time until the PJ went to sleep after 30 minutes, which is something I previously disabled.
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 26, 2021 11:49:00 GMT -5
Has anyone used fiber optic HDMI cables with the RMC-1? Yup... Ruipro "Hybrid" FO found... HERE. I use the 20ft length between my processor (whether RMC-1 or AV8805) and my display. They work perfectly. I've used this cable on my former XMC-1 as well (also without issue). EDIT: But I also agree with ttocs... If the HDMI cable required between your processor and display is less than 10~12 feet, you don't need this type of cable. However, you do need a "Certified" Premium High Speed.
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Post by PaulBe on Jul 26, 2021 12:28:48 GMT -5
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 26, 2021 12:50:18 GMT -5
carbonsummit… In reading back over your issue, I believe your problem is twofold. First, if I’m reading this correctly, you’re using three HDMI cables plugged into two wall mounted HDMI keystones between your RMC-1 and your display. If that’s correct, then IMO, that’s a recipe for failure in a 4K environment. That one single run sees TEN points of termination where there should ideally only be two. A reliable 4K UHD handshake requires a fluid and stable interconnection free of excessive resistance. I don’t think you’re getting that with your setup. I’d highly suggest using just a single high quality “certified” premium cable. Second, I think hsamwel is correct in his thinking that maybe your display requires a settings change to enable full HDMI 2.0a support on its HDMI ports. On my display (an LG) there is a setting called “Ultra HD Deep Color” that needs to be enabled for each HDMI input where full support is required. You might want to check into the possibility of this setting on your display. AFAIK, all 4K displays do have them and most are “off” by default. Lastly, you've mentioned that you had no problems connecting your FireStick, but didn’t mention which version of the FireStick you have. If it’s an HD version (not 4K), then an 18GB link (handshake) isn’t required and almost any cable setup would support it. If that’s the case, then that would explain why it worked and your 4K blu-ray player did not.
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 26, 2021 14:30:08 GMT -5
Has anyone used fiber optic HDMI cables with the RMC-1? Yup... Ruipro "Hybrid" FO found... HERE. I use the 20ft length between my processor (whether RMC-1 or AV8805) and my display. They work perfectly. I've used this cable on my former XMC-1 as well (also without issue). EDIT: But I also agree with ttocs... If the HDMI cable required between your processor and display is less than 10~12 feet, you don't need this type of cable. However, you do need a "Certified" Premium High Speed. From what I've read for 4K its recommended to use a HDMI cable that is no longer than 3 meters (10 feet). So from the RMC I have a 3.3' that plugs into the wall socket. In the wall I have a 6.6' running up to the behind the TV wall socket. Then a 3.3' HDMI cable that runs from the wall to the TV HDMI input. So a total of 13.2' and how ever each socket affects the signal. It was a clean way for me to do it and worked great with 1080p. But of course the extra bandwidth of 4k is probably too much for what I've got going on. My first thought is why did it work for a while? Hard to say... I have all "certified" HDMI cables that are supposed to be rated for 48 Gbps/8k. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08Y5KT686/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o05_s01?ie=UTF8&th=1But again the 12' hobbled together run probably is the limiting factor in some ways, and something changed on my FireTV also. That I haven't figured out what yet... My latest plan is I've ordered a couple of fiber optic HDMI 6' cables to play with. Before I take the time to run it in the wall I'll mimic the set up outside the wall starting with using a 6' fiber optic cable in place of one of the ones in the wall. My thought is if that fiber optic 6' can increase the efficiency of the 13.2' total run with all the connections I have down to what would be less than 10' of regular cables. I also bought a cheap HDMI booster. I bought these items to experiment with: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07PWYN3L4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08K7FL9XK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1So give me a few days for Amazon to bring me new toys and we'll see what happens next!
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 26, 2021 14:36:11 GMT -5
carbonsummit … In reading back over your issue, I believe your problem is twofold. First, if I’m reading this correctly, you’re using three HDMI cables plugged into two wall mounted HDMI keystones between your RMC-1 and your display. If that’s correct, then IMO, that’s a recipe for failure in a 4K environment. That one single run sees TEN points of termination where there should ideally only be two. I agree with this, and if nothing else works I'll abandon the keystone connectors and just run one cable from the TV to the RMC-1.A reliable 4K UHD handshake requires a fluid and stable interconnection free of excessive resistance. I don’t think you’re getting that with your setup. I’d highly suggest using just a single high quality “certified” premium cable. Second, I think hsamwel is correct in his thinking that maybe your display requires a settings change to enable full HDMI 2.0a support on its HDMI ports. On my display (an LG) there is a setting called “Ultra HD Deep Color” that needs to be enabled for each HDMI input where full support is required. You might want to check into the possibility of this setting on your display. AFAIK, all 4K displays do have them and most are “off” by default. I also agree, there is some setting I'm missing. Lastly, you've mentioned that you had no problems connecting your FireStick, but didn’t mention which version of the FireStick you have. If it’s an HD version (not 4K), then an 18GB link (handshake) isn’t required and almost any cable setup would support it. If that’s the case, then that would explain why it worked and your 4K blu-ray player did not. It is a Firestick 4k, hooked to one of the same cables and ran through the same mess of keystone connectors to the TV and it still works. Not sure why, maybe the handshake of the Firestick isn't as picky as a Blu-ray player with its piracy stuff?
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Post by brand on Jul 26, 2021 19:44:25 GMT -5
Question for people who previously owned an XMC-1 (HDMI 2.0b version) and now run or have experience with the XMC-2:
What is HDMI switching like on the XMC-2? Ever since I've upgraded my XMC-1 to the 2.0b board switching has become an absolute drag. It takes way too long and is way too unreliable for my taste (running "latest" firmware on my XMC-1) to the point where I've started using my setup less and less because of it. Does the XMC-2 perform any better in this regard?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 27, 2021 3:06:02 GMT -5
Question for people who previously owned an XMC-1 (HDMI 2.0b version) and now run or have experience with the XMC-2: What is HDMI switching like on the XMC-2? Ever since I've upgraded my XMC-1 to the 2.0b board switching has become an absolute drag. It takes way too long and is way too unreliable for my taste (running "latest" firmware on my XMC-1) to the point where I've started using my setup less and less because of it. Does the XMC-2 perform any better in this regard? It’s been a couple years since I switched from the XMC-1 to the RMC-1, but the current HDMI board is the same, and I’d say the HDMI performance is pretty similar with the current firmware. I wouldn’t upgrade to a new processor expecting the HDMI switching speed to be much different. Personally this doesn’t bother me much as my habits are generally to use one input for the night; stream with TV, watch a disc on the Oppo, or currently watch the Olympics on DTV or OTA. So I don’t switch much each session.
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Post by hsamwel on Jul 28, 2021 10:29:37 GMT -5
Has anyone used fiber optic HDMI cables with the RMC-1? Yup... Ruipro "Hybrid" FO found... HERE. I use the 20ft length between my processor (whether RMC-1 or AV8805) and my display. They work perfectly. I've used this cable on my former XMC-1 as well (also without issue). EDIT: But I also agree with ttocs ... If the HDMI cable required between your processor and display is less than 10~12 feet, you don't need this type of cable. However, you do need a "Certified" Premium High Speed. I wouldn’t trust a cheaper, especially thin, so called certified cable above 10-12ft either.. They may work flawless with some cables and not with others. If using any passive/non fiber HDMI cable above 5-6ft I would ensure I have a reallygood cable if used with 4k. And especially high bandwidth 4k HDR stuff. A thin cable have a lot less isolation from outer disturbances. Also the wires are thinner. HDMI cables already have really thin wires compared to any other cable type. Considering the speed used with them it’s amazing we don’t have more issues. I think my passive cables are 10mm thick (about 2/5 of an inch). Those have never caused any speed issues or whatever. I have never heard of anyone using my brand of cables having any issues unless breaking the specs. The specs go way beyond 18Gbps for the shorter lengths so I’m quite sure the cable will always do right. The drawback is a little heavier and a less flexible cable. I think they even guarantee every cable up to 15-16ft will transfer full 18Gbps without issues. Then after that you’ll have to go active/fiber..
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Post by carbonsummit on Jul 30, 2021 13:51:29 GMT -5
So a follow up to my weird deal.
Got the 6'HDMI fiber optic HDMIs yesterday. I had a few HDMI keystone parts I didn't use when I hid the cables in the walls so I used them to mimic the set up I have to test them before tearing into my current set up and they worked!
My blu-ray player hooked to the RMC-1 with a 3.3' regular HDMI then another 3.3' plugged into the wall jack, with the 6'fiber optic HDMI on the back side the lower wall jack hooked to the back side the upper (behind TV) wall jack then a 3.3' from the front of the upper wall jack to the TV. So the 6' fiber optic must have improved the pipeline enough to allow full 4k without any issues.
I'm not sure why it worked the first few days after I got the 4k blu-ray, and then wouldn't pass the 4k signal I have no idea. I didn't find any setting had changed or anything. The TVs that I tested with that did work just had a 6' regular HDMI coming from the RMC-1 to the TV without all the wall connector mess. Who knows, HDMI handshake voodoo....
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