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Post by AntonP on Nov 24, 2021 9:38:50 GMT -5
i also can connect my sub amp to center sub out in mono mode and send equal signal to both subs. is it better than left/right in dual mono mode and why if so?
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 24, 2021 9:50:05 GMT -5
Caveat: I may not have been looking correctly, but… the XMC-2 is received yesterday shows 2.4 version(?) It's very important that you read THIS post from Keith regarding the firmware on your processor. It outlines why "yours" is different and why you should not attempt to regress it. |
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Post by doc1963 on Nov 24, 2021 10:09:59 GMT -5
Thank you, i have 2 passive subs with balanced stereo amp (XLR inputs only). I can make custom Y cable, but is it worth it? Yes, i use Dirac Live. What are advantages of using central sub instead of left/right?
I have umik-1 and can buy minidsp hd (and custom cables XLR-RCA) but cant understand do i need it or not )))
From page 18 of the users manual under "Bass Management"... " If you plan to connect two subs to the Left Sub and Right Sub outputs, then you must configure the Left/Right Subs outputs as Dual Mono. If you plan to connect only a single sub to those outputs, then you MUST connect it to the Left Sub output, and you must configure the Left/Right Subs as Mono. When Left/Right Subs is set to Mono ONLY the Left Sub output is active. (This setting is independent from the configuration of the Center Sub output.)" But as AudioHTIT mentions above, most of us would use a Y splitter connected to "Center SUB" configured as "Mono". I, personally, use the Center SUB output sent to a MiniDSP 2x4 HD and then split out to my two subwoofers from there. This way I can gain match the subs independently outside of Dirac. As already mentioned, the HDMI outputs are not matrixed and when two displays are connected, you will get the highest resolution and features supported by the "weakest" display. Using either is a matter of preference or a matter of your speaker configuration (needing additional height channels rather than additional subwoofer channels). If you want Dirac to handle corrections using both subwoofers independently, then use the LSub/RSub configuration and set them as "Dual Mono". I use Center Sub (set to Mono) because I want both LFE and redirected bass sent to my dual subwoofers as a single summed signal. I then use my MiniDSP and REW to gain match and correct my subwoofer response using popular methods that are commonly found on the internet. I'm the odd duck that doesn't use Dirac (but maybe that will change once DLBC is incorporated). The flexibility is there for you to explore. Use whichever method that you like best. Neither is right or wrong...  |
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Post by pzzr on Nov 24, 2021 10:47:30 GMT -5
Caveat: I may not have been looking correctly, but… the XMC-2 is received yesterday shows 2.4 version(?) It's very important that you read THIS post from Keith regarding the firmware on your processor. It outlines why "yours" is different and why you should not attempt to regress it. Thank you. Not that I would likely try to regress it, but thanks for the warning!!!!  |
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Post by Sayer on Nov 24, 2021 11:12:00 GMT -5
But what about the BM bugfix firmware that was supposed to be imminent some weeks ago? Any news on that? Will we be seeing it in november? Or is it further delayed? I received the XMC-2 yesterday and have done some manual setup, including speaker distance, levels using a sound meter, etc. Have not run the room correction yet. Does the bass management issue exist when in stereo direct mode? I put on some music today and the bass seems overly loud. Did not notice it yesterday when I was setting it up. Firmware version 2.3. |
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Post by jbrunwa on Nov 24, 2021 12:49:02 GMT -5
But what about the BM bugfix firmware that was supposed to be imminent some weeks ago? Any news on that? Will we be seeing it in november? Or is it further delayed? I received the XMC-2 yesterday and have done some manual setup, including speaker distance, levels using a sound meter, etc. Have not run the room correction yet. Does the bass management issue exist when in stereo direct mode? I put on some music today and the bass seems overly loud. Did not notice it yesterday when I was setting it up. Firmware version 2.3. Bass management is engaged in Direct mode, but not in Reference Stereo mode. Trims can be used in Direct Mode to tailor bass. Reference Stereo mode is selectable with the mode button only when front speakers are large, or it can be selected in the setup menu, and if so, fronts will automatically be set to large. |
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Post by yellowbalt on Nov 24, 2021 14:37:09 GMT -5
Hi Guys,
Just got the ATV4 and using Apple Music apps but the music keeps pausing every seconds and need to keep pressing "play". Is this normal?
Danny
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 24, 2021 14:41:25 GMT -5
Hi Guys, Just got the ATV4 and using Apple Music apps but the music keeps pausing every seconds and need to keep pressing "play". Is this normal? Danny This is not normal. Apple Music plays great on my ATV4K. How is everything hooked up? are you using the app on the ATV? How fast is your internet? |
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Post by yellowbalt on Nov 24, 2021 14:45:01 GMT -5
Hi Guys, Just got the ATV4 and using Apple Music apps but the music keeps pausing every seconds and need to keep pressing "play". Is this normal? Danny This is not normal. Apple Music plays great on my ATV4K. How is everything hooked up? are you using the app on the ATV? How fast is your internet? Thank you for your reply. Yes using the app on ATV. ATV on cable internet connected to XMC-2. My internet is not the best but not bad, we can watch 4k dolby Atmos/HDR movies just fine. |
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Post by yellowbalt on Nov 24, 2021 15:39:03 GMT -5
This is not normal. Apple Music plays great on my ATV4K. How is everything hooked up? are you using the app on the ATV? How fast is your internet? Thank you for your reply. Yes using the app on ATV. ATV on cable internet connected to XMC-2. My internet is not the best but not bad, we can watch 4k dolby Atmos/HDR movies just fine. For doing a test on ATV4, I connected it directly to my TV's HDMI and the problem is gone. Is this an issue with X-2? Danny |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 24, 2021 15:51:38 GMT -5
My RMC 1L has the latest FW and I use zone 2 but not very frequently. Went to use it today and it has a lot of static on zone 2 regardless of the source (turntable, CD player-optical, Oppo BR player -HDMI, cable box). I rebooted and fiddled with settings and inputs (main or component) and nothing seems to affect it. I do recall when I first got the unit earlier this year that Zone 2 worked ok before I upgraded the FW. Any suggestions would be helpful. This has been reported before, so I’m pretty sure it’s a real problem that has developed in a recent FW (2.2 or 2.3?) I however have been unable to duplicate it. I’ll give it another shot today and see what I come up with. |
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Post by routlaw on Nov 24, 2021 17:27:57 GMT -5
I would suggest you reboot both the Apple TV as well as the XMC-2, this might clear things up. Put the XMC-2 into standby wait a short while then back on. I would consider rebooting the ATV 4K first though while the XMC-2 is still on. Over time you will probably find this becomes necessary due to various glitches and other hangups. The XMC-2 is a computer. Hope this helps.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 24, 2021 18:46:15 GMT -5
My RMC 1L has the latest FW and I use zone 2 but not very frequently. Went to use it today and it has a lot of static on zone 2 regardless of the source (turntable, CD player-optical, Oppo BR player -HDMI, cable box). I rebooted and fiddled with settings and inputs (main or component) and nothing seems to affect it. I do recall when I first got the unit earlier this year that Zone 2 worked ok before I upgraded the FW. Any suggestions would be helpful. This has been reported before, so I’m pretty sure it’s a real problem that has developed in a recent FW (2.2 or 2.3?) I however have been unable to duplicate it. I’ll give it another shot today and see what I come up with. Ok, I tested the same album via three different formats into Zone 2. Turntable/Grado Sonata > XPS-1 > RMC-1 Analog 1 in > Zone 2 Out > Nuvo Zone Amp > 3 different pairs of speakers Oppo CD > RMC-1 HDMI 4 in > Zone 2 Out > Nuvo Zone Amp > 3 different pairs of speakers Apple Music > Mac mini > RMC-1 USB in > Zone 2 Out > Nuvo Zone Amp > 3 different pairs of speakers The HDMI input requires "Follow Main", the others I tried both Follow Main and the Zone 2 discrete input selection I do not hear anything unusual with any of the sources or speakers. I tried several things: Hitting pause while playing the CD to see if there was noise behind the music, turning it up loud and walking around listing to various speakers from different location (all outdoors). I'll keep trying various things over the weekend. Just to clarify, you used the term 'static', which is also what someone else called it. To me * 'static' implies a somewhat random but frequent noise, possibly a pop or crackle that may be present with or without a signal (often associated with AM radio) * 'noise' means a constant sound, typically a 'hiss' that is in the background all the time with or without signal, but may get louder with volume (or not). White and Pink noise are good examples of a defined combination of all audible frequencies. * 'distortion' (while technically any change to the signal) is an unpleasant 'grunge' that accompanies the signal and may get worse with volume (or not). * 'clipping' similar to distortion, but normally only at louder levels, or when an input section is overdriven. Which one of these should I listen for, or something else?Also, what is your Zone 2 output driving? Can you drive that with another source to eliminate it as the culprit? (I can also drive my Zone amp with an AirPort express, it sounds very similar) |
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Post by klinemj on Nov 24, 2021 19:28:57 GMT -5
So confused. On Oct 25 Nick posted "The next release will have fixes to bass management as well as enhancements for ARC and HDMI. This release is imminent but we currently do not have an exact date." Is this is reference to 2.4 or 2.5 or 3.0? Confused and frustrated. Clarity and transparency is what we bought into, at least I did. SO much to say, but I will bite my tongue. It has all been said before by others. Why not contact them directly to get the straight scoop if it's so important to you? No need to spend time confused and frustrated by wondering. Just ask them. Mark |
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Post by Sayer on Nov 24, 2021 21:44:35 GMT -5
I'm trying to wrap my head around the bass management issue and how best to compensate for it until the next firmware release. I tried Dirac today and the results were not great, a step down in sound quality compared to the manual setup I did with the sound meter and measuring tape, so Dirac is off for now.
So far I have reduced the subwoofer level by 7db. The front speakers (T2+) are set to small, crossover set to 40hz. Even with the sub turned down it still seems that bass is too loud. Could the bass in the mains (T2+) be elevated by the bass management issue, or is it only with the sub?
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Post by MrOptimism on Nov 24, 2021 22:30:54 GMT -5
About a week ago I turned on my XMC-2 and my Sony flatscreen said no signal was reaching it which is not normal. The XMC-2 is setup for video passthrough. I turned it off and on several times which didn’t solve the problem. I reached in back of the XMC-2 and turned it off and back on with the rocker switch, it rebooted and then I turned it on with the Remote and everything was fine. The problem is now is that almost every time I go to turn it on it reports no signal to my Flatscreen unless I turn it off on the rear rocker switch and boot it and re-turn it on with the remote! why is this happening?
After it was suggested in this forum, I reseated my HDMI cables. Now I am getting the error: "err: init osd" and after several rocker switch reboots It starts. Am I in trouble again? I bought this XMC-2 only a year ago and have sent it in to Emotiva 3 times for repairs, on the third repair (after an extremely frank phone call) they sent me a new unit and now another problem?
UPDATE!!
Now I am getting the error: "err: init osd" and nothing else after 10 reboot attempts.
Which means I will ship it back to Emotiva for the 4th time in a year!
This is inexcusable!
I am an ex-electronics company buyer and an engineer.
My system is standard and everything I have hooked up to the XMC-2 has been at one time or another been hooked up to Denon, Anthem and other good quality equipment without one failure!
The night before Thanksgiving of course when all 5 of my adult children and their families are coming over for dinner and football plus movies on dad’s super system!
I cannot adequately explain the disappointment and foolishness I feel………….
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 25, 2021 11:47:18 GMT -5
About a week ago I turned on my XMC-2 and my Sony flatscreen said no signal was reaching it which is not normal. The XMC-2 is setup for video passthrough. I turned it off and on several times which didn’t solve the problem. I reached in back of the XMC-2 and turned it off and back on with the rocker switch, it rebooted and then I turned it on with the Remote and everything was fine. The problem is now is that almost every time I go to turn it on it reports no signal to my Flatscreen unless I turn it off on the rear rocker switch and boot it and re-turn it on with the remote! why is this happening? After it was suggested in this forum, I reseated my HDMI cables. Now I am getting the error: "err: init osd" and after several rocker switch reboots It starts. Am I in trouble again? I bought this XMC-2 only a year ago and have sent it in to Emotiva 3 times for repairs, on the third repair (after an extremely frank phone call) they sent me a new unit and now another problem? UPDATE!! Now I am getting the error: "err: init osd" and nothing else after 10 reboot attempts. Which means I will ship it back to Emotiva for the 4th time in a year! This is inexcusable! I am an ex-electronics company buyer and an engineer. My system is standard and everything I have hooked up to the XMC-2 has been at one time or another been hooked up to Denon, Anthem and other good quality equipment without one failure! The night before Thanksgiving of course when all 5 of my adult children and their families are coming over for dinner and football plus movies on dad’s super system! I cannot adequately explain the disappointment and foolishness I feel…………. Unfortunate. And strange. They should replace it with a brand new unit. |
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Post by ttocs on Nov 25, 2021 12:45:21 GMT -5
About a week ago I turned on my XMC-2 and my Sony flatscreen said no signal was reaching it which is not normal. The XMC-2 is setup for video passthrough. I turned it off and on several times which didn’t solve the problem. I reached in back of the XMC-2 and turned it off and back on with the rocker switch, it rebooted and then I turned it on with the Remote and everything was fine. The problem is now is that almost every time I go to turn it on it reports no signal to my Flatscreen unless I turn it off on the rear rocker switch and boot it and re-turn it on with the remote! why is this happening? After it was suggested in this forum, I reseated my HDMI cables. Now I am getting the error: "err: init osd" and after several rocker switch reboots It starts. Am I in trouble again? I bought this XMC-2 only a year ago and have sent it in to Emotiva 3 times for repairs, on the third repair (after an extremely frank phone call) they sent me a new unit and now another problem? UPDATE!! Now I am getting the error: "err: init osd" and nothing else after 10 reboot attempts. Which means I will ship it back to Emotiva for the 4th time in a year! This is inexcusable! I am an ex-electronics company buyer and an engineer. My system is standard and everything I have hooked up to the XMC-2 has been at one time or another been hooked up to Denon, Anthem and other good quality equipment without one failure! The night before Thanksgiving of course when all 5 of my adult children and their families are coming over for dinner and football plus movies on dad’s super system! I cannot adequately explain the disappointment and foolishness I feel…………. Not good, sorry for your troubles. Shouldn't be happening. Something to try as a last ditch effort. I don't use ARC but try it every now and then to keep tabs on whether it's still working or not. Last week it wasn't working and I tried every known way to induce it to work with my Sony tv but all attempts failed, until I checked to see if CEC was even functioning. So I initiated the Loopback Tests. Invoking the Loopback Tests allowed the XMC-2 to be seen by the tv which was in the mode for looking for all CEC devices. So I didn't even need to run any test, just getting the processor into test mode was all that it needed to jumpstart whatever it was that wasn't working correctly. In case you want to try, if you haven't already: To get the processor into TEST Mode:
Switch off the rear panel power switch.
Press and hold the front panel Power Button and then switch on the rear power switch and keep holding the front panel power button until the front panel is populated with a list of tests, then release the button.
To initiate any of the tests you must wait at least two complete minutes for the processor to completely boot up internally before selecting any of the tests or FAIL will be the result. If a test fails, just run it again to be sure to preclude the possibility of the processor not being fully booted.
To exit from Test Mode just turn off the rear power switch.
My processor got bricked with a ERR code middle of last year, don't recall which code, but it's been ok since it was re-flashed. I'm hoping there's a chance for yours to work again without sending it back which is very painful. |
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Post by jbrunwa on Nov 25, 2021 13:40:16 GMT -5
I'm trying to wrap my head around the bass management issue and how best to compensate for it until the next firmware release. I tried Dirac today and the results were not great, a step down in sound quality compared to the manual setup I did with the sound meter and measuring tape, so Dirac is off for now. So far I have reduced the subwoofer level by 7db. The front speakers (T2+) are set to small, crossover set to 40hz. Even with the sub turned down it still seems that bass is too loud. Could the bass in the mains (T2+) be elevated by the bass management issue, or is it only with the sub? Try a cold boot (back power switch off, wait 60 seconds, back power switch on, wait for boot sequence, then front power switch on from standby. Another possibility is an interaction with installing a Dirac filter and the switching back to User EQ may in some scenario cause elevated bass in small speakers. @ttoc has researched this extensively. In some scenarios it might take even more sub trim, but it’s best to ensure that settings are stable with cold reboots. I hope this is some help. emotivalounge.proboards.com/thread/58985/g3p-elevated-bm-lfe-issue?page=10As an aside, I have had multiple brands of AVRs present anomalies with Dirac filters being installed, etc., and so as a result I always cold boot my AVR after installing a Dirac Filter, if I install a second Dirac filter in another slot I always cold boot between changes, and I never rush the cold boot to ensure that power has completely drained. I never overwrite a Dirac filter, instead opting to factory restore setting and install a new Dirac filter, and I always cold boot after changing presets. Maybe I’m overly cautious… |
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Post by MrOptimism on Nov 25, 2021 15:02:33 GMT -5
As you can see from my posts I have had a terrible time with my XMC-2. I have, in a year, sent it in 3 times and now I am getting it ready to ship back a 4th time in 13 months! I just bought it a year ago. What other Processors would anyone recommend? I am all ears. Including shipping at a week and a half a trip, I will have been without my XMC-2 for a month and a half out of a year.
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