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Post by bblv on Jul 5, 2020 11:48:49 GMT -5
Under speakers. Has filters 1-13, I believe, available for each speaker. You can manually tweak 13 bands of PEQ on each channel (unless you're very experienced with this I would NOT recommend touching these) or use a free software program called REW to measure your speaker's responses and automagically create PEQ filters based on a user-supplied house curve (Google REW PEQ filters for tutorials). You'll also need a calibrated microphone such as a UMIK. It's fun (and potentially frustrating) to tweak the PEQ filters. Many users get the most out of PEQ filters for their subs to tame room issues that you almost certainly have. I personally used PEQs on my subs and LCR speakers to make my room sound far better than without. And as mentioned above, Dirac will do more than PEQs alone are capable of. In other words, Dirac can't come soon enough!
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Post by jonstatt on Jul 6, 2020 16:55:09 GMT -5
This is probably a stupid question. When the RMC-1 is in standby, sound is passed through from the source to the HDMI output. When the RMC-1 is on, sound is no longer passed. In most situations this is fine. I am trying to rig up a Philips hue sync box which uses both audio and video cues depending on the mode, so is it possible to still pass sound through?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 6, 2020 23:15:21 GMT -5
This is probably a stupid question. When the RMC-1 is in standby, sound is passed through from the source to the HDMI output. When the RMC-1 is on, sound is no longer passed. In most situations this is fine. I am trying to rig up a Philips hue sync box which uses both audio and video cues depending on the mode, so is it possible to still pass sound through? No, not via HDMI anyway, but if an analog signal will work you could use the Zone 2 output, or if only digital the TOSLink or Coax outputs.
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Post by jonstatt on Jul 7, 2020 4:05:29 GMT -5
This is probably a stupid question. When the RMC-1 is in standby, sound is passed through from the source to the HDMI output. When the RMC-1 is on, sound is no longer passed. In most situations this is fine. I am trying to rig up a Philips hue sync box which uses both audio and video cues depending on the mode, so is it possible to still pass sound through? No, not via HDMI anyway, but if an analog signal will work you could use the Zone 2 output, or if only digital the TOSLink or Coax outputs. . Unfortunately the Hue sync box is HDMI only. It has 4 inputs and 1 output but I thought if I just stuck it on the second HDMI output of the Emotiva I would get round having to choose which inputs I wanted to go through Hue plus having to switch the Hue box input plus the RMC-1 input.
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Post by marcl on Jul 8, 2020 8:50:45 GMT -5
Is it possible to copy Preset1 to Preset2?
I've been looking at the feature that allows the Center Subwoofer to play only LFE (.1) content, and the Left/Right Subwoofers to play only Bass Management content. I have Preset1 set up this way now so that Center sends all LFE to two subs playing the full LFE range which slopes 12db/octave above 100Hz. The Left Subwoofer sends Bass Management to a Magnepan DWM for "music quality" bass from 50-200Hz, and to a miniDSP with a low pass filter configured to send Bass Management below 50Hz to the subs. This gives me Bass Management from 16Hz up to 200Hz.
This works great except for 5.1 music, where I would prefer that the .1 be sent to the Left Subwoofer output only and not the Center Subwoofer output. I would like to set up the two presets identically except for the Center Subwoofer: Preset1 configured as described above for video sources; Preset2 configured with CenterSubwoofer=None for audio sources. Thus in Preset2 both .1 AND Bass Management would be sent to Left Subwoofer output.
I know I can easily load PEQ filters to both Presets by changing the folder name. Is it possible to copy all the other Preset parameters (Size, Level, Distance) so that I don't have to manually keep them in sync?
(p.s. a little back-story .... I have been experimenting with this DWM/subwoofer configuration for about a year and though it results in excellent bass reproduction for both video and audio most of the time, there are times when LFE dynamics in movies are too much for the DWM and a terrifying rattle results.)
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Post by shellcode1 on Jul 8, 2020 11:09:54 GMT -5
Is it possible to copy Preset1 to Preset2? I've been looking at the feature that allows the Center Subwoofer to play only LFE (.1) content, and the Left/Right Subwoofers to play only Bass Management content. I have Preset1 set up this way now so that Center sends all LFE to two subs playing the full LFE range which slopes 12db/octave above 100Hz. The Left Subwoofer sends Bass Management to a Magnepan DWM for "music quality" bass from 50-200Hz, and to a miniDSP with a low pass filter configured to send Bass Management below 50Hz to the subs. This gives me Bass Management from 16Hz up to 200Hz. This works great except for 5.1 music, where I would prefer that the .1 be sent to the Left Subwoofer output only and not the Center Subwoofer output. I would like to set up the two presets identically except for the Center Subwoofer: Preset1 configured as described above for video sources; Preset2 configured with CenterSubwoofer=None for audio sources. Thus in Preset2 both .1 AND Bass Management would be sent to Left Subwoofer output. I know I can easily load PEQ filters to both Presets by changing the folder name. Is it possible to copy all the other Preset parameters (Size, Level, Distance) so that I don't have to manually keep them in sync? (p.s. a little back-story .... I have been experimenting with this DWM/subwoofer configuration for about a year and though it results in excellent bass reproduction for both video and audio most of the time, there are times when LFE dynamics in movies are too much for the DWM and a terrifying rattle results.) I believe it's just an XML file, it is when I import filters from REW, so the answer is yes, you should be able to save/export to USB drive , copy the folder name so that it matches the filter2 name. Check for any references of filter1 in the files I can't recall if there are any. I'd like to say it was a simple copy and rename the new folder to match filter2's name, that should do it to import the filters back in.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 8, 2020 18:54:25 GMT -5
No, not via HDMI anyway, but if an analog signal will work you could use the Zone 2 output, or if only digital the TOSLink or Coax outputs. Unfortunately the Hue sync box is HDMI only. It has 4 inputs and 1 output but I thought if I just stuck it on the second HDMI output of the Emotiva I would get round having to choose which inputs I wanted to go through Hue plus having to switch the Hue box input plus the RMC-1 input. So is a ‘Hue Sync Box’ for light effects synced to the audio, or to sync video for a bias light? If it’s the former you might be able to use a device like >>> this <<< It sounds like it’s designed to go from a TV’s optical out to a soundbar’s HDMI in, so I surmise it could convert the RMC’s optical audio output to the Hue’s HDMI audio in. I didn’t search, but there are probably others that do something similar, I might look to see if there’s one that could be fed from Coax, but TOSLink should work just as well. This would also keep it out of your audio / video path which would prevent potential anomalies.
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Post by marcl on Jul 9, 2020 6:40:15 GMT -5
Is it possible to copy Preset1 to Preset2? I've been looking at the feature that allows the Center Subwoofer to play only LFE (.1) content, and the Left/Right Subwoofers to play only Bass Management content. I have Preset1 set up this way now so that Center sends all LFE to two subs playing the full LFE range which slopes 12db/octave above 100Hz. The Left Subwoofer sends Bass Management to a Magnepan DWM for "music quality" bass from 50-200Hz, and to a miniDSP with a low pass filter configured to send Bass Management below 50Hz to the subs. This gives me Bass Management from 16Hz up to 200Hz. This works great except for 5.1 music, where I would prefer that the .1 be sent to the Left Subwoofer output only and not the Center Subwoofer output. I would like to set up the two presets identically except for the Center Subwoofer: Preset1 configured as described above for video sources; Preset2 configured with CenterSubwoofer=None for audio sources. Thus in Preset2 both .1 AND Bass Management would be sent to Left Subwoofer output. I know I can easily load PEQ filters to both Presets by changing the folder name. Is it possible to copy all the other Preset parameters (Size, Level, Distance) so that I don't have to manually keep them in sync? (p.s. a little back-story .... I have been experimenting with this DWM/subwoofer configuration for about a year and though it results in excellent bass reproduction for both video and audio most of the time, there are times when LFE dynamics in movies are too much for the DWM and a terrifying rattle results.) I believe it's just an XML file, it is when I import filters from REW, so the answer is yes, you should be able to save/export to USB drive , copy the folder name so that it matches the filter2 name. Check for any references of filter1 in the files I can't recall if there are any. I'd like to say it was a simple copy and rename the new folder to match filter2's name, that should do it to import the filters back in. Yes, if I was just interested in filter values it would be easy. Copy the filtersPreset1 folder and rename it filtersPreset2 and import to Preset2. But I want the entire contents of Preset2. But you did lead me to an answer ... I did a backup of the whole XMC-2 configuration to a USB stick and looked at the file in an XML editor. Looks like I could copy the entire Preset1 section to the Preset2 section and restore the backup. So I very carefully did this and it seems to have worked fine (subject to quantitative testing). Inputs are now configured to use the Video or Music speaker presets as appropriate.
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Post by jonstatt on Jul 11, 2020 9:10:46 GMT -5
Unfortunately the Hue sync box is HDMI only. It has 4 inputs and 1 output but I thought if I just stuck it on the second HDMI output of the Emotiva I would get round having to choose which inputs I wanted to go through Hue plus having to switch the Hue box input plus the RMC-1 input. So is a ‘Hue Sync Box’ for light effects synced to the audio, or to sync video for a bias light? If it’s the former you might be able to use a device like >>> this <<< It sounds like it’s designed to go from a TV’s optical out to a soundbar’s HDMI in, so I surmise it could convert the RMC’s optical audio output to the Hue’s HDMI audio in. I didn’t search, but there are probably others that do something similar, I might look to see if there’s one that could be fed from Coax, but TOSLink should work just as well. This would also keep it out of your audio / video path which would prevent potential anomalies. It does both. When watching movies it uses the video signal to create a bias light. For music it uses the audio signal. I hadn't considered a coax to HDMI which I could put on a separate input on the hue sync. Thanks for the idea. Do any receivers or processors have the ability to pass through audio or they all filter it out?
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 11, 2020 9:50:51 GMT -5
So is a ‘Hue Sync Box’ for light effects synced to the audio, or to sync video for a bias light? If it’s the former you might be able to use a device like >>> this <<< It sounds like it’s designed to go from a TV’s optical out to a soundbar’s HDMI in, so I surmise it could convert the RMC’s optical audio output to the Hue’s HDMI audio in. I didn’t search, but there are probably others that do something similar, I might look to see if there’s one that could be fed from Coax, but TOSLink should work just as well. This would also keep it out of your audio / video path which would prevent potential anomalies. It does both. When watching movies it uses the video signal to create a bias light. For music it uses the audio signal. I hadn't considered a coax to HDMI which I could put on a separate input on the hue sync. Thanks for the idea. Do any receivers or processors have the ability to pass through audio or they all filter it out? It’s part of HDCP that the audio only goes to one location, it can either be decoded and output to the amps and speakers or passed through. I suppose you could try hooking all your HDMI to your HUE and send it’s output to the RMC/XMC, but it seems like asking for 4K/HDR trouble. So maybe HDMI out 2 to your primary display, HDMI 1 to the Hue for video, and coax or TOSLink to HDMI to HUE for audio — if you can select different HUE inputs for your activities. There might also be a splitter that would work, but probably only for one HDMI source, I’ve never used them, more potential trouble.
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Post by Nanometer on Jul 11, 2020 19:29:46 GMT -5
Hey There!
I have been having issues getting my surround speakers to work with my Xbox One X, it is my only device hooked up to the processor. The test tones work just fine for Surround left and Surround right, but when I play movies with known surround channels, I get zip out of the surrounds. What Gives? Anything I can check? I thought I set everything up correctly. Thanks for the help!
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Post by hblue on Jul 11, 2020 21:46:12 GMT -5
Try a full reboot of the Xbox and the Processor. The dig into the Xbox settings.
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Post by megash0n on Jul 12, 2020 7:44:38 GMT -5
Hey There!
I have been having issues getting my surround speakers to work with my Xbox One X, it is my only device hooked up to the processor. The test tones work just fine for Surround left and Surround right, but when I play movies with known surround channels, I get zip out of the surrounds. What Gives? Anything I can check? I thought I set everything up correctly. Thanks for the help!
As mentioned, a full reboot (unplug the power) may help. Check your audio settings to make sure you have dolby and bitstream enabled. Download the dolby atmos app and enabled that as well. Inside that app, there is a check box for up mixing channels. I'm unsure if this is necessary, but the Xbox seems to send an Atmos signal whether it is Atmos or not. So, dolby Up mixing isn't going to work. I imagine that's what the check box is for. If it is still broken, could be something on the processor side.
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Post by Nanometer on Jul 12, 2020 12:28:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback! I found the issue. The Xbox 5.1 uncompressed will not send sound to the surround speakers, at least not with the xmc-2.. I feel like it works just fine on my pr-rz5100. Solution is to select bitstream and use either DTS or surround sound. Guess no higher quality 5.1 pcm for now. Thanks for the feedback!
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Post by sourgrapes on Jul 12, 2020 13:37:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback! I found the issue. The Xbox 5.1 uncompressed will not send sound to the surround speakers, at least not with the xmc-2.. I feel like it works just fine on my pr-rz5100. Solution is to select bitstream and use either DTS or surround sound. Guess no higher quality 5.1 pcm for now. Thanks for the feedback! Do you have a 5.1 system? On my RMC-1 I have to enable 7.1 speakers on the processor to get surround sound from 5.1 PCM sources. May want to try that if not already. The downside is that you’ll lose audio from 2x speakers you don’t have.
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Post by megash0n on Jul 12, 2020 13:54:28 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback! I found the issue. The Xbox 5.1 uncompressed will not send sound to the surround speakers, at least not with the xmc-2.. I feel like it works just fine on my pr-rz5100. Solution is to select bitstream and use either DTS or surround sound. Guess no higher quality 5.1 pcm for now. Thanks for the feedback! Am I understanding correctly that PCM is not working, but choosing bitstream and Dolby or DTS is?
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Post by megash0n on Jul 12, 2020 13:57:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback! I found the issue. The Xbox 5.1 uncompressed will not send sound to the surround speakers, at least not with the xmc-2.. I feel like it works just fine on my pr-rz5100. Solution is to select bitstream and use either DTS or surround sound. Guess no higher quality 5.1 pcm for now. Thanks for the feedback! Do you have a 5.1 system? On my RMC-1 I have to enable 7.1 speakers on the processor to get surround sound from 5.1 PCM sources. May want to try that if not already. The downside is that you’ll lose audio from 2x speakers you don’t have. This is kinda what I was thinking, although I still am confused on why so many people choose to send PCM from their sources. I get it when an AVR or processor won't decode a codec, but not otherwise. I understand why some choose to send PCM instead of DTS because there's a huge debate on whether or not DTS is working properly on the Emotiva processors.
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Post by bitzerjdb on Jul 12, 2020 17:58:14 GMT -5
FYI - TIVO Bolt Update I purchased a 4K 4X2 Matrix switch from Amazon that supports Dolby Atmos, HDR, HDCP 2.2, etc. It also has an Optical Out for Sound if needed. I redid my Home Theater so the Outputs from the Switch go to the TV and the RMC-1. Basically I pulled the RNC-1 out of Video Duty and it just handles Audio. The Switch works flawless, super fast switching, rock solid video, even with older HDMI cables. Both the Roku Ultra and the TIVO auto-sense the TV at the Enhanced HDMI settings. I can also go back to a single cable to the TV reducing the complexity.... And, I now can add the new Soundbar via ARC on the TV for casual watching. The Family happiness number has gone up significantly. The only thing I lose is OCD from the RMC-1. This really isn't an issue because we really don't need to see the volume to see how loud it is. The Config is fixed already so there is nothing to change. The RMC now doesn't have to do any HDMI video switching and is very happy. Here is a link if you are interested. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TD81BDH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1I will update this post if anything changes. But for the moment it was the best ~$125 I've spent :-) - Update - After a night of switching and multiple on/off cycles, the switch is flawless. Zero issues with the HDMI Sync from the Tivo Bolt, and Zero audio issues (audio dropping when skipping forward/backwards). It works the way I would expect a Video switch to work.... - End of Week Update - Two words....Rock Solid, ZERO Issues.
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Post by thezone on Jul 12, 2020 19:03:10 GMT -5
I believe it's just an XML file, it is when I import filters from REW, so the answer is yes, you should be able to save/export to USB drive , copy the folder name so that it matches the filter2 name. Check for any references of filter1 in the files I can't recall if there are any. I'd like to say it was a simple copy and rename the new folder to match filter2's name, that should do it to import the filters back in. Yes, if I was just interested in filter values it would be easy. Copy the filtersPreset1 folder and rename it filtersPreset2 and import to Preset2. But I want the entire contents of Preset2. But you did lead me to an answer ... I did a backup of the whole XMC-2 configuration to a USB stick and looked at the file in an XML editor. Looks like I could copy the entire Preset1 section to the Preset2 section and restore the backup. So I very carefully did this and it seems to have worked fine (subject to quantitative testing). Inputs are now configured to use the Video or Music speaker presets as appropriate. I feel like we should start an entire bass management thread as this part of the XMC-2/RMC-1 has become more complex compared to my old XMC-1 and I have a few questions myself in this area. I have my all my speakers (large and small) set to 'small' and a single mono sub output from the XMC-2 going to a 4 way active x-over feeding 4 subs as I firmly believe that no two speakers should be repeating the same frequencies. For the most part this results in extremely tight and controlled bass especially for music but since I recently acquired the XMC-2 with its 3 sub outputs I have been wondering if there's a different way I can do this. Eg hooking up one sub for purely just LFE and the other 3 via the left output to a 3way x-over for bass management only duties. I just have one question though, when you are using dolby surround to process 2ch to say 5.1 how does the upmixer decide what low frequencies (say under 120hz) goes into the main speakers and what goes to LFE?
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Post by thezone on Jul 12, 2020 19:09:39 GMT -5
FYI - TIVO Bolt Update I purchased a 4K 4X2 Matrix switch from Amazon that supports Dolby Atmos, HDR, HDCP 2.2, etc. It also has an Optical Out for Sound if needed. I redid my Home Theater so the Outputs from the Switch go to the TV and the RMC-1. Basically I pulled the RNC-1 out of Video Duty and it just handles Audio. The Switch works flawless, super fast switching, rock solid video, even with older HDMI cables. Both the Roku Ultra and the TIVO auto-sense the TV at the Enhanced HDMI settings. I can also go back to a single cable to the TV reducing the complexity.... And, I now can add the new Soundbar via ARC on the TV for casual watching. The Family happiness number has gone up significantly. The only thing I lose is OCD from the RMC-1. This really isn't an issue because we really don't need to see the volume to see how loud it is. The Config is fixed already so there is nothing to change. The RMC now doesn't have to do any HDMI video switching and is very happy. Here is a link if you are interested. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07TD81BDH/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1I will update this post if anything changes. But for the moment it was the best ~$125 I've spent :-) That kinda sucks that you have to look for a solution outside for video switching. I really love the sound on my XMC-2 but I am also having video issues with it. My Foxtel IQ4 (Aus cable Box) - I sometimes need to turn everything on and off several times to eventually get video through the XMC-2, with my HTPC, sometimes it loses video when I stop playing a video file and I have to reboot either the HTPC or the XMC-2. This was the same issue I had with my XMC-1 when I first bought it. Here we go again.
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