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Post by ttocs on Jun 1, 2020 8:52:37 GMT -5
This explains why the Landing Drone Ship loses the live feed during landing.
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Post by DavidR on Jun 1, 2020 9:16:37 GMT -5
Very happy about getting back in to the space program.
The meek may inherit the earth but the rest of us are going to the stars.
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 1, 2020 9:34:29 GMT -5
As of May 31, 2020, 229 individuals have made 395 spaceflights to the ISS, including the seven people currently at the ISS (Expedition 63).
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Post by gus4emo on Jun 1, 2020 11:26:06 GMT -5
Seriously, Who gives a schitt just another waste of money that could be used better. Mark Research in space has and will continue to help humanity, we go to space and will land on Mars sooner than later, why spend money to go to Mars?? BECAUSE IT'S THERE AND WE MUST GO, LIKE EUROPEANS TRAVELED TO AMERCA LONG AGO....
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 1, 2020 11:52:52 GMT -5
Seriously, Who gives a schitt just another waste of money that could be used better. Mark Obviously many people care as witnessed by the huge support for this flight. I appreciate all the advances in our life that have come out of the space program, and the excitement of adventure. This is also a business, if it succeeds it will profit and make money for someone. But I like science, research, discovery, and the search for knowledge, it’s not free.
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Post by gus4emo on Jun 1, 2020 13:34:07 GMT -5
Seriously, Who gives a schitt just another waste of money that could be used better. Mark Obviously many people care as witnessed by the huge support for this flight. I appreciate all the advances in our life that have come out of the space program, and the excitement of adventure. This is also a business, if it succeeds it will profit and make money for someone. But I like science, research, discovery, and the search for knowledge, it’s not free. THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED SO INTELLIGENT BEINGS CAN WONDER ABOUT IT, WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND JUST WISH, IT'S IN OUR GENES TO WANT TO GO PLACES...
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Post by markc on Jun 1, 2020 14:11:36 GMT -5
Very happy about getting back in to the space program.
The meek may inherit the earth but the rest of us are going to the stars.
... and burning a disproportionate amount of hydrocarbons to get there, when a country's ego masturbation and extra CO2 release is the last thing we need. Grab your popcorn: Shouldn't we be content with what we have and make it the best we can? My motto: We each have 4 score years plus 10. Live the best life you can and don't walk over other people to do it. After 21 years in orbit, is there really any valuable or fundamentally useful zero gravity research going on at the ISS to outweigh the cost (in every sense) of even a single one way journey to get there, or are we doing it just because we don't want to "let go" and decommission the ISS? Satellites - we all love those and use them daily. I can't deny that! However, getting a human into orbit is still a "big event" and as risky to the astronauts as when we landed on the moon 50 years ago. That is just getting in to orbit. We are no further "on" that that. In the 50 years since the lunar landing (which gave us nothing more useful that some bits of understanding that don't affect any of us during our lifetime) we are no closer to whatever Nirvana was dreamed of by the dreamers 60 years ago when planning started. We don't actually need to go into orbit or the moon in order to develop the technology to do it that might have other uses elsewhere. Even our closest neighbour, Mars, only gets shoe box sized rovers in 2020 and that's about it. And they give us..... nothing. Interplanetary travel and back is impossible for the useful or foreseeable future so interstellar travel is not even worth contemplating. Who needs to care what other habitable planets are out there and out of reach?
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Post by gus4emo on Jun 1, 2020 19:04:57 GMT -5
Very happy about getting back in to the space program.
The meek may inherit the earth but the rest of us are going to the stars.
... and burning a disproportionate amount of hydrocarbons to get there, when a country's ego masturbation and extra CO2 release is the last thing we need. Grab your popcorn: Shouldn't we be content with what we have and make it the best we can? My motto: We each have 4 score years plus 10. Live the best life you can and don't walk over other people to do it. After 21 years in orbit, is there really any valuable or fundamentally useful zero gravity research going on at the ISS to outweigh the cost (in every sense) of even a single one way journey to get there, or are we doing it just because we don't want to "let go" and decommission the ISS? Satellites - we all love those and use them daily. I can't deny that! However, getting a human into orbit is still a "big event" and as risky to the astronauts as when we landed on the moon 50 years ago. That is just getting in to orbit. We are no further "on" that that. In the 50 years since the lunar landing (which gave us nothing more useful that some bits of understanding that don't affect any of us during our lifetime) we are no closer to whatever Nirvana was dreamed of by the dreamers 60 years ago when planning started. We don't actually need to go into orbit or the moon in order to develop the technology to do it that might have other uses elsewhere. Even our closest neighbour, Mars, only gets shoe box sized rovers in 2020 and that's about it. And they give us..... nothing. Interplanetary travel and back is impossible for the useful or foreseeable future so interstellar travel is not even worth contemplating. Who needs to care what other habitable planets are out there and out of reach? You're missing a lot of points...
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Post by DavidR on Jun 1, 2020 19:14:54 GMT -5
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Post by klinemj on Jun 1, 2020 20:12:53 GMT -5
Obviously many people care as witnessed by the huge support for this flight. I appreciate all the advances in our life that have come out of the space program, and the excitement of adventure. This is also a business, if it succeeds it will profit and make money for someone. But I like science, research, discovery, and the search for knowledge, it’s not free. THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED SO INTELLIGENT BEINGS CAN WONDER ABOUT IT, WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND JUST WISH, IT'S IN OUR GENES TO WANT TO GO PLACES... So...wait a minute...are you saying...we...should...boldy...go...where...man...has not gone before!!!!! I've never been to an Old Country Buffet. thinking I'll try it! Mark
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Post by gus4emo on Jun 1, 2020 20:38:33 GMT -5
THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED SO INTELLIGENT BEINGS CAN WONDER ABOUT IT, WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND JUST WISH, IT'S IN OUR GENES TO WANT TO GO PLACES... So...wait a minute...are you saying...we...should...boldy...go...where...man...has not gone before!!!!! I've never been to an Old Country Buffet. thinking I'll try it! Mark That's about right...
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Post by ttocs on Jun 1, 2020 20:44:07 GMT -5
klinemj is doing the text version of an imitation of James Tiberius Kirk.
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Post by novisnick on Jun 1, 2020 21:25:45 GMT -5
THE UNIVERSE WAS CREATED SO INTELLIGENT BEINGS CAN WONDER ABOUT IT, WE CAN'T SIT HERE AND JUST WISH, IT'S IN OUR GENES TO WANT TO GO PLACES... So...wait a minute...are you saying...we...should...boldy...go...where...man...has not gone before!!!!! I've never been to an Old Country Buffet. thinking I'll try it! Mark
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Post by MusicHead on Jun 1, 2020 22:21:10 GMT -5
So...wait a minute...are you saying...we...should...boldy...go...where...man...has not gone before!!!!! I've never been to an Old Country Buffet. thinking I'll try it! Mark Nobody can beat Captain Picard when it comes to the monologue...
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Post by KeithL on Jun 1, 2020 23:21:13 GMT -5
I agree entirely.....
There was a time when other continents on this planet were "out of reach"...
There was a time when "everyone knew people could never fly"... And there was a time when it took six months by sea to reach New York from England... (Do you think our founding fathers considered it forseeable to have lunch in Paris and be back in New York for dinner?)
And, for that matter, people a mere hundred years ago probably never foresaw being able to actually talk to a machine... (What do you think someone from 1950 would have said about Alexa?)
Isaac Asimov "foresaw" a universe with millions of populated planets... And I can foresee that as well... (And the fact that it may not happen for a thousand years makes the picture a little fuzzier... but only a little.)
However... and here's the whole point... IF WE STOP TRYING NOW THEN IT IS AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY THAT IT WILL *NEVER* HAPPEN. (Even that is an overstatement; in fifty years, someone will decide to do it anyway, and they won't even remember this discussion.)
The bottom line is that a time when the Earth is overpopulated, and our resources are totally exhausted, is NOT at all unimaginable...
Which do you think is really going to take longer to achieve: - a manned colony on Mars - world peace and a stable and controlled population on this planet - everyone on Earth agreeing that we need to control our population before we run out of living space
I'm guessing we'll see a permanent manned colony on Mars before we see the last war on Earth... And we'll see people living and growing food in manned space stations before we see the end of starvation on Earth...
And I like to hope that we'll see colonies on other planets, or in space, before we run out of space here... (I've given up on sane people deciding to voluntarily control the population...)
Or, on a wider scale, PROGRESS is inevitable and necessary, and manned space flight is just part of progress.
... and burning a disproportionate amount of hydrocarbons to get there, when a country's ego masturbation and extra CO2 release is the last thing we need. Grab your popcorn: Shouldn't we be content with what we have and make it the best we can? My motto: We each have 4 score years plus 10. Live the best life you can and don't walk over other people to do it. After 21 years in orbit, is there really any valuable or fundamentally useful zero gravity research going on at the ISS to outweigh the cost (in every sense) of even a single one way journey to get there, or are we doing it just because we don't want to "let go" and decommission the ISS? Satellites - we all love those and use them daily. I can't deny that! However, getting a human into orbit is still a "big event" and as risky to the astronauts as when we landed on the moon 50 years ago. That is just getting in to orbit. We are no further "on" that that. In the 50 years since the lunar landing (which gave us nothing more useful that some bits of understanding that don't affect any of us during our lifetime) we are no closer to whatever Nirvana was dreamed of by the dreamers 60 years ago when planning started. We don't actually need to go into orbit or the moon in order to develop the technology to do it that might have other uses elsewhere. Even our closest neighbour, Mars, only gets shoe box sized rovers in 2020 and that's about it. And they give us..... nothing. Interplanetary travel and back is impossible for the useful or foreseeable future so interstellar travel is not even worth contemplating. Who needs to care what other habitable planets are out there and out of reach? You're missing a lot of points...
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Post by KeithL on Jun 1, 2020 23:44:34 GMT -5
Do the math....
For a few million years the fastest a caveman (or cavewoman) ran was about 10 mpH (while being chased by something).
And, before the late 1800's, the fastest a person had even gone was about 50 mpH (riding on something with legs). Around 1900 the land speed record was around 75 mpH. The current record for air speed (of an airplane) is around 2,000 mpH.
At their fastest point the Apollo 10 crew set a new speed record at just under 25,000 mpH
Number of humans who made it into space between prehistory and 1200 AD = 0 Number of humans who made it into space between 1200 AD and 1500 AD = 0 Number of humans who made it into space between 1500 AD and 1800 AD = 0
Number of humans who made it into space between 1800 AD and 1960 AD = 0
Number of humans who made it into space between 1960 AD and 2020 AD = 229
Incidentally, for a bit of perspective, according to the folks who keep track of such things... If you were to leave Earth traveling at the speed of our fastest unmanned space probe so far (36,000 mpH)... It would take about 162 days to reach Mars at its average distance from Earth... And it would take a mere 42 days to reach Mars during its closest approach to Earth...
It doesn't look quite so improbable when you look at it that way...
As of May 31, 2020, 229 individuals have made 395 spaceflights to the ISS, including the seven people currently at the ISS (Expedition 63).
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 2, 2020 11:27:41 GMT -5
Do the math....
For a few million years the fastest a caveman (or cavewoman) ran was about 10 mpH (while being chased by something).
And, before the late 1800's, the fastest a person had even gone was about 50 mpH (riding on something with legs). Around 1900 the land speed record was around 75 mpH. The current record for air speed (of an airplane) is around 2,000 mpH.
At their fastest point the Apollo 10 crew set a new speed record at just under 25,000 mpH
Number of humans who made it into space between prehistory and 1200 AD = 0 Number of humans who made it into space between 1200 AD and 1500 AD = 0 Number of humans who made it into space between 1500 AD and 1800 AD = 0
Number of humans who made it into space between 1800 AD and 1960 AD = 0
Number of humans who made it into space between 1960 AD and 2020 AD = 229
Incidentally, for a bit of perspective, according to the folks who keep track of such things... If you were to leave Earth traveling at the speed of our fastest unmanned space probe so far (36,000 mpH)... It would take about 162 days to reach Mars at its average distance from Earth... And it would take a mere 42 days to reach Mars during its closest approach to Earth...
It doesn't look quite so improbable when you look at it that way...
As of May 31, 2020, 229 individuals have made 395 spaceflights to the ISS, including the seven people currently at the ISS (Expedition 63). Ha Ha ! (Interesting thoughts) Keith! I mean, I got curious as to how many have Made it to the ISS, so I looked it up I have to adjust your math and it makes us look even better. The total number of human beings who have made it into outer space is actually 566. That excludes the Chimpanzees. Bill
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Post by mfeust on Jun 2, 2020 17:58:43 GMT -5
I agree entirely..... There was a time when other continents on this planet were "out of reach"...
There was a time when "everyone knew people could never fly"... And there was a time when it took six months by sea to reach New York from England... (Do you think our founding fathers considered it forseeable to have lunch in Paris and be back in New York for dinner?)
And, for that matter, people a mere hundred years ago probably never foresaw being able to actually talk to a machine... (What do you think someone from 1950 would have said about Alexa?)
Isaac Asimov "foresaw" a universe with millions of populated planets... And I can foresee that as well... (And the fact that it may not happen for a thousand years makes the picture a little fuzzier... but only a little.) However... and here's the whole point... IF WE STOP TRYING NOW THEN IT IS AN ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY THAT IT WILL *NEVER* HAPPEN. (Even that is an overstatement; in fifty years, someone will decide to do it anyway, and they won't even remember this discussion.) The bottom line is that a time when the Earth is overpopulated, and our resources are totally exhausted, is NOT at all unimaginable... Which do you think is really going to take longer to achieve: - a manned colony on Mars - world peace and a stable and controlled population on this planet - everyone on Earth agreeing that we need to control our population before we run out of living space
I'm guessing we'll see a permanent manned colony on Mars before we see the last war on Earth... And we'll see people living and growing food in manned space stations before we see the end of starvation on Earth...
And I like to hope that we'll see colonies on other planets, or in space, before we run out of space here... (I've given up on sane people deciding to voluntarily control the population...)
Or, on a wider scale, PROGRESS is inevitable and necessary, and manned space flight is just part of progress.
You're missing a lot of points... Hi Keith, I understand and somewhat agree, but lets look at just the population management angle. How much area on the planet Earth is uninhabitable between land, sea and air? Would it not be simpler, safer, less expensive to make these areas on Earth inhabitable? Mark
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Post by 405x5 on Jun 2, 2020 19:28:09 GMT -5
Mark said “Hi Keith, I understand and somewhat agree, but lets look at just the population management angle. How much area on the planet Earth is uninhabitable between land, sea and air? Would it not be simpler, safer, less expensive to make these areas on Earth inhabitable?” Let’s go!
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Post by DavidR on Jun 2, 2020 20:19:17 GMT -5
The exploration of space is waaayyyyy beyond finding a habitable place.
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