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Post by scotts on Jun 5, 2020 4:46:21 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me if Emotiva plans to add DTS:X Pro and/or IMAX Enhanced to its current line of processors?
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jun 5, 2020 5:07:28 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to that. However, I have been a costumer for a long time, and I could tell you that IF they plan to support it, it would be years from now. They just recently got Atmos with the RCM-1 (5 years late?) and still working out bugs. If you're looking for great sound quality, but not the cutting-edge technology. Get a nice Emotiva Processor. Can anyone tell me if Emotiva plans to add DTS:X Pro and/or IMAX Enhanced to its current line of processors?
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jun 5, 2020 5:12:48 GMT -5
I haven't heard/seen any DTS:X Pro material. As far as I know, IMAX Enchanced movies are supported by few TVs (Sony) and studios. For my understanding, it is another HDR format on top of HDR10.
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Post by scotts on Jun 5, 2020 8:11:49 GMT -5
DTS:X Pro does not use a new type of material. It uses current DTS: X material and processes the object based code to as many as 30.2 channels instead of the 11.1 that is currently the licensing limit for standard DTS:X. IMAX Enhanced 4K Blu-Rays are not just video enhanced, they also use the DTS:X code and optimize the channel steering and frequencies to IMAX's requirements.
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Post by goodfellas27 on Jun 5, 2020 8:50:57 GMT -5
DTS:X Pro supports DTS: X bitstream and order DTS format stream for backwards compatibly with its up-mixer. AFAIK, there is only native DTS:X Pro author material for their Trinnov demos. You should see their videos on YouTube. As for IMAX Enhanced Blu-Rays, it is claim the DTS:X track is mix for IMAX requirements. I have yet heard any marital. It would be hard for these formats to catch up with Atmos, Dolby Vision, and now Dolby Vision IQ. Netflix and other streamers already support these formats, but time will tell. DTS:X Pro does not use a new type of material. It uses current DTS: X material and processes the object based code to as many as 30.2 channels instead of the 11.1 that is currently the licensing limit for standard DTS:X. IMAX Enhanced 4K Blu-Rays are not just video enhanced, they also use the DTS:X code and optimize the channel steering and frequencies to IMAX's requirements.
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Post by KeithL on Jun 5, 2020 8:54:11 GMT -5
"IMAX Enhanced" seems to refer to a logo, and a "certification program", as well as content...
(compare to Dolby Vision, as originally described, and to THX...) In terms of video titles it refers to picture quality...
Presumably all new IMAX titles automatically get the logo - since they were created by IMAX... Other movies and titles can be "remastered by IMAX for better picture quality" to earn the logo... (It is unclear whether movies that already look good can get the logo by being certified or not.)
In terms of video hardware like monitors and projectors it means... Being able to deliver resolution, color accuracy, and "picture quality" that meets the requirements (in other words - another certification program)...
They've already said, in press releases, that only big screens need apply... It also means supporting an option that allows a flag in "IMAX Enhanced" content to override your normal video settings... (So, like the narrator says in those old Twilight Zone episodes; "they get to control the picture".)
In terms of audio equipment... It basically means supporting a specific set of DTS-X Pro...
DTS:X Pro does not use a new type of material. It uses current DTS: X material and processes the object based code to as many as 30.2 channels instead of the 11.1 that is currently the licensing limit for standard DTS:X. IMAX Enhanced 4K Blu-Rays are not just video enhanced, they also use the DTS:X code and optimize the channel steering and frequencies to IMAX's requirements.
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Post by KeithL on Jun 5, 2020 8:57:59 GMT -5
To answer your question....
- we DO plan to add support for DTS:X Pro in the future ...
- IMAX Enhanced will probably depend on how much support there is for it, and how much demand, and exactly what's involved ...
(it may involve nothing more from us that supporting DTS:X Pro audio and passing a flag on to your TV set)
Can anyone tell me if Emotiva plans to add DTS:X Pro and/or IMAX Enhanced to its current line of processors?
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Post by ttocs on Jun 5, 2020 9:35:48 GMT -5
KeithL means "The Outer Limits", not Twilight Zone.
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Post by jagman on Jun 7, 2020 0:50:01 GMT -5
Another benefit of DTS:X Pro is it's upmixer can upmix any signal to however many channels you have (9.1.6 or beyond). This is a big deal because the Atmos upmixer won't upmix tracks already encoded in Atmos. Since Disney and a few other studios pin their Atmos tracks at 7.1.4, if you play the Atmos track, the Atmos upmixer won't allow you to take advantage of any speakers you have beyond 7.1.4. But, the DTS:X Pro upmixer doesn't have that limitation. So, with the DTS:X Pro upmixer, you can take advantage of all your speakers even if playing a Dolby Atmos track pinned at 7.1.4.
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Post by KeithL on Jun 7, 2020 3:09:09 GMT -5
From what I understand, if you use DTS-X Pro to upmix to more than the original number of channels, the extra channels will be synthesized by Neural:X (That is not the same as actually rendering objects individually.)
I guess it depends on exactly what you're looking for.
I believe that - if you're actually keeping score:
Dolby Atmos is now able to actually render objects to more channels...
But DTS:X Pro can now synthesize content to more channels...
I'm sorry... but I have to ask a question here... purely from an editorial point of view... So many folks seem to spend so much of their time walking around, putting their ear up to each speaker, to confirm that it's playing... That I sometimes wonder how some folks actually have time to watch the movie... "Gee honey... I can't quite remember what the movie was about... but I DO know my rear wide diagonal surrounds are finally playing..." (Do you guys actually think that Disney's movies are GOOD, or not, or have they gotten a bit boring lately, or doesn't that really matter?)
Another benefit of DTS:X Pro is it's upmixer can upmix any signal to however many channels you have (9.1.6 or beyond). This is a big deal because the Atmos upmixer won't upmix tracks already encoded in Atmos. Since Disney and a few other studios pin their Atmos tracks at 7.1.4, if you play the Atmos track, the Atmos upmixer won't allow you to take advantage of any speakers you have beyond 7.1.4. But, the DTS:X Pro upmixer doesn't have that limitation. So, with the DTS:X Pro upmixer, you can take advantage of all your speakers even if playing a Dolby Atmos track pinned at 7.1.4.
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Post by KeithL on Jun 7, 2020 3:10:01 GMT -5
I'm impressed that I'm not the only one who remembers... KeithL means "The Outer Limits", not Twilight Zone.
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Post by cwt on Jun 7, 2020 5:32:05 GMT -5
(Do you guys actually think that Disney's movies are GOOD, or not, or have they gotten a bit boring lately, or doesn't that really matter?) [/div] [/quote] I think it depends on whether you prefer native [surround mode] or auto [with a dsp upmixer]. This is exacerbated with the knowledge that Disney and others have decided to advantage streaming services over the better quality higher bitrate UHD discs ostensibly to save money with mixing .. It is good that Lonnie will reverse the dolby cross mixing rules for those who want all their speakers active with dts-x pro ; like others though I prefer native as that was what the director intended and its discrete -not an approximation I like to check disc dustjackets and whether they list atmos 7.1.4 on them is now a consideration as to buy or stream/download The studios have never liked selling their copyright and would prefer us to stream ; case in point Disney and their vault philosophy with their "classics" but drifting of point now..
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Post by megash0n on Jun 7, 2020 5:51:55 GMT -5
From what I understand, if you use DTS-X Pro to upmix to more than the original number of channels, the extra channels will be synthesized by Neural:X (That is not the same as actually rendering objects individually.)
I guess it depends on exactly what you're looking for.
I believe that - if you're actually keeping score:
Dolby Atmos is now able to actually render objects to more channels...
But DTS:X Pro can now synthesize content to more channels...
I'm sorry... but I have to ask a question here... purely from an editorial point of view... So many folks seem to spend so much of their time walking around, putting their ear up to each speaker, to confirm that it's playing... That I sometimes wonder how some folks actually have time to watch the movie... "Gee honey... I can't quite remember what the movie was about... but I DO know my rear wide diagonal surrounds are finally playing..." (Do you guys actually think that Disney's movies are GOOD, or not, or have they gotten a bit boring lately, or doesn't that really matter?)
Another benefit of DTS:X Pro is it's upmixer can upmix any signal to however many channels you have (9.1.6 or beyond). This is a big deal because the Atmos upmixer won't upmix tracks already encoded in Atmos. Since Disney and a few other studios pin their Atmos tracks at 7.1.4, if you play the Atmos track, the Atmos upmixer won't allow you to take advantage of any speakers you have beyond 7.1.4. But, the DTS:X Pro upmixer doesn't have that limitation. So, with the DTS:X Pro upmixer, you can take advantage of all your speakers even if playing a Dolby Atmos track pinned at 7.1.4. We do this because things aren't working correctly. It would be lovely to just watch a movie without the need to check everything wondering if it correct or not. 🙂
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jun 7, 2020 6:14:21 GMT -5
...Do you guys actually think that Disney's movies are GOOD, or not, or have they gotten a bit boring lately, or doesn't that really matter?) Not sure what you’re including there? 20th Century Studios too? Disney+ has a huge catalog that I wouldn’t call boring? (Star Wars, Marvel, etc.) But I’m probably not the demographic for the typical Disney release (though growing up they were a staple, and I paid the extra nickel at the Saturday matinee for a Disney feature).
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Post by markc on Jun 7, 2020 6:29:21 GMT -5
I'm sorry... but I have to ask a question here... purely from an editorial point of view... So many folks seem to spend so much of their time walking around, putting their ear up to each speaker, to confirm that it's playing... That I sometimes wonder how some folks actually have time to watch the movie... "Gee honey... I can't quite remember what the movie was about... but I DO know my rear wide diagonal surrounds are finally playing..."
Unfortunately, because things don't simply just work (The dts Neural:X patchy implementation on my XMC-2, being a case in point) we need ears to speaker cones as we can't even rely on the front panel/OSD to confirm that: a) The XMC-2 has correctly detected the bitstream, and that: b) The XMC-2 has correctly selected the correct Surround Mode and (The biggest one) c) Although the front panel states "Neural:X" as the surround mode, has it actually actually kicked in and engaged the upmixer! (I know this last one to be absolutely true because when Neural:X kicks in I get a nasty volume drop. Sometimes I don't get the volume drop until I toggle the surround mode or stop/restart the audio stream) What I haven't checked is whether the Dolby Surround Upmixer is always actively engaged when the front panel display shows it is. Because there is no volume drop with the DSU, this WOULD require me putting my ear to the rear speakers in a 5.1 movie to see if 5.1 to 7.1 is functioning. We have all been bashing Emotiva's implementation of Neural:X, but perhaps it is more widespread and we just haven't noticed.
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Post by foggy1956 on Jun 7, 2020 6:36:13 GMT -5
I'm sorry... but I have to ask a question here... purely from an editorial point of view... So many folks seem to spend so much of their time walking around, putting their ear up to each speaker, to confirm that it's playing... That I sometimes wonder how some folks actually have time to watch the movie... "Gee honey... I can't quite remember what the movie was about... but I DO know my rear wide diagonal surrounds are finally playing..." (Do you guys actually think that Disney's movies are GOOD, or not, or have they gotten a bit boring lately, or doesn't that really matter?) Now there ladies and gentlemen is a real, swing and a miss🙂
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Post by doc1963 on Jun 7, 2020 8:27:34 GMT -5
HERE is a link to an Audioholics interview with Philip Jones (Sound United) and Jake Mendel (Denon) discussing the new 2020 "X Series" AVR lineup. The Denon material aside, there is some good information regarding DTS:X Pro and IMAX Enhanced discussed herein.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 7, 2020 8:43:47 GMT -5
I'm sorry... but I have to ask a question here... purely from an editorial point of view... So many folks seem to spend so much of their time walking around, putting their ear up to each speaker, to confirm that it's playing... That I sometimes wonder how some folks actually have time to watch the movie... "Gee honey... I can't quite remember what the movie was about... but I DO know my rear wide diagonal surrounds are finally playing..." (Do you guys actually think that Disney's movies are GOOD, or not, or have they gotten a bit boring lately, or doesn't that really matter?) Now there ladies and gentlemen is a real, swing and a miss🙂 I was a bit shocked myself. There are clearly some disconnects here.
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Post by jagman on Jun 7, 2020 8:56:32 GMT -5
From what I understand, if you use DTS-X Pro to upmix to more than the original number of channels, the extra channels will be synthesized by Neural:X (That is not the same as actually rendering objects individually.)
I guess it depends on exactly what you're looking for.
I believe that - if you're actually keeping score:
Dolby Atmos is now able to actually render objects to more channels...
But DTS:X Pro can now synthesize content to more channels...
I'm sorry... but I have to ask a question here... purely from an editorial point of view... So many folks seem to spend so much of their time walking around, putting their ear up to each speaker, to confirm that it's playing... That I sometimes wonder how some folks actually have time to watch the movie... "Gee honey... I can't quite remember what the movie was about... but I DO know my rear wide diagonal surrounds are finally playing..." (Do you guys actually think that Disney's movies are GOOD, or not, or have they gotten a bit boring lately, or doesn't that really matter?)
Another benefit of DTS:X Pro is it's upmixer can upmix any signal to however many channels you have (9.1.6 or beyond). This is a big deal because the Atmos upmixer won't upmix tracks already encoded in Atmos. Since Disney and a few other studios pin their Atmos tracks at 7.1.4, if you play the Atmos track, the Atmos upmixer won't allow you to take advantage of any speakers you have beyond 7.1.4. But, the DTS:X Pro upmixer doesn't have that limitation. So, with the DTS:X Pro upmixer, you can take advantage of all your speakers even if playing a Dolby Atmos track pinned at 7.1.4. To add to other people's comments, I would like to have the option of choosing to listen "as the director intended" (or with Disney, "as the bean counters intended") or to implement an upmixer to have all the channels used. Nobody knows which one would sound better until they try, but, if the upmixer is properly implemented, then it has the potential to sound better, and we have the potential to take advantage of all the extra speakers your pre-pro lets us have.
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Post by davidl81 on Jun 7, 2020 9:27:21 GMT -5
From what I understand, if you use DTS-X Pro to upmix to more than the original number of channels, the extra channels will be synthesized by Neural:X (That is not the same as actually rendering objects individually.)
I guess it depends on exactly what you're looking for.
I believe that - if you're actually keeping score:
Dolby Atmos is now able to actually render objects to more channels...
But DTS:X Pro can now synthesize content to more channels...
I'm sorry... but I have to ask a question here... purely from an editorial point of view... So many folks seem to spend so much of their time walking around, putting their ear up to each speaker, to confirm that it's playing... That I sometimes wonder how some folks actually have time to watch the movie... "Gee honey... I can't quite remember what the movie was about... but I DO know my rear wide diagonal surrounds are finally playing..." (Do you guys actually think that Disney's movies are GOOD, or not, or have they gotten a bit boring lately, or doesn't that really matter?)
To add to other people's comments, I would like to have the option of choosing to listen "as the director intended" (or with Disney, "as the bean counters intended") or to implement an upmixer to have all the channels used. Nobody knows which one would sound better until they try, but, if the upmixer is properly implemented, then it has the potential to sound better, and we have the potential to take advantage of all the extra speakers your pre-pro lets us have. I really this the “as the director intended” is vastly overrated when it comes to home releases. The director cares about how it sounds in the theatrical release, but I doubt very many of them care at all about what it sounds like in your home. I mean they don’t want it to sound bad, but once it’s out of the theater they really don’t care very much.
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