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Post by Lonnie on Jul 20, 2020 12:46:12 GMT -5
Just curious, how would you be able to interpolate the data? 1028 FIR taps and 24 BiQuads per speaker. Lonnie Fantastic question good sir. Tbh, Ive never ran Dirac, but have messed around with some of the biquad stuff in MiniDSP. It sounds like a lot of data to display according to what you posted. It's a big batch of data to be sure, but having said that and after a minute to think, verification is actually already there. If after you have run Dirac, you go back to modify a curve, it pulls all the data from the processor and the curve you see on the laptop is the data that is running in the processor. Lonnie |
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Post by foggy1956 on Jul 20, 2020 13:02:09 GMT -5
Fantastic question good sir. Tbh, Ive never ran Dirac, but have messed around with some of the biquad stuff in MiniDSP. It sounds like a lot of data to display according to what you posted. It's a big batch of data to be sure, but having said that and after a minute to think, verification is actually already there. If after you have run Dirac, you go back to modify a curve, it pulls all the data from the processor and the curve you see on the laptop is the data that is running in the processor. Lonnie Wouldn't that only show the predicted response? |
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Post by ttocs on Jul 20, 2020 13:06:41 GMT -5
It's a big batch of data to be sure, but having said that and after a minute to think, verification is actually already there. If after you have run Dirac, you go back to modify a curve, it pulls all the data from the processor and the curve you see on the laptop is the data that is running in the processor. Lonnie Wouldn't that only show the predicted response? Before the filter is loaded into the processor you can save that filter. I believe what Lonnie is saying is after that filter is loaded into the processor it can be pulled back into Dirac, and then can be compared to the version that was saved on the computer. Lonnie, do I have this correct? |
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Post by marcl on Jul 20, 2020 13:07:26 GMT -5
Fantastic question good sir. Tbh, Ive never ran Dirac, but have messed around with some of the biquad stuff in MiniDSP. It sounds like a lot of data to display according to what you posted. It's a big batch of data to be sure, but having said that and after a minute to think, verification is actually already there. If after you have run Dirac, you go back to modify a curve, it pulls all the data from the processor and the curve you see on the laptop is the data that is running in the processor. Lonnie That's really interesting! So you don't have to load a data set stored on your PC? I thought that was how Dirac 1.0 worked. A couple people have pointed to this question in various way, but let me state how I think it works and see if I'm right .... 1 - Pick Preset1 in the processor, enable Dirac and use the PC to take measurements and store the resulting filters in one of three slots for Preset1 2 - You can reload the results for that slot in Preset1 back to Dirac, modify it, and store it in one of the two remaining slots for Preset1 3 - To load filters into slots for Preset2, you have to select Preset2 in the processor, enable Dirac, and do another set of measurements, and save the results to one of the Preset2 slots There is no way to take measurements that were taken for Preset1 and transfer them to create filter sets for Preset2. At least one reason for this is that Dirac needs to know the number and types of speakers and this may be different for Presets 1 and 2. Am I correct? |
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 20, 2020 14:05:24 GMT -5
Wouldn't that only show the predicted response? Before the filter is loaded into the processor you can save that filter. I believe what Lonnie is saying is after that filter is loaded into the processor it can be pulled back into Dirac, and then can be compared to the version that was saved on the computer. Lonnie, do I have this correct? Yes, you have this correct and thank you for jumping in. Lonnie |
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 20, 2020 14:07:28 GMT -5
It's a big batch of data to be sure, but having said that and after a minute to think, verification is actually already there. If after you have run Dirac, you go back to modify a curve, it pulls all the data from the processor and the curve you see on the laptop is the data that is running in the processor. Lonnie That's really interesting! So you don't have to load a data set stored on your PC? I thought that was how Dirac 1.0 worked. A couple people have pointed to this question in various way, but let me state how I think it works and see if I'm right .... 1 - Pick Preset1 in the processor, enable Dirac and use the PC to take measurements and store the resulting filters in one of three slots for Preset1 2 - You can reload the results for that slot in Preset1 back to Dirac, modify it, and store it in one of the two remaining slots for Preset1 3 - To load filters into slots for Preset2, you have to select Preset2 in the processor, enable Dirac, and do another set of measurements, and save the results to one of the Preset2 slots There is no way to take measurements that were taken for Preset1 and transfer them to create filter sets for Preset2. At least one reason for this is that Dirac needs to know the number and types of speakers and this may be different for Presets 1 and 2. Am I correct? If I have read this correctly, your understanding is correct. Lonnie |
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Post by SticknStones on Jul 20, 2020 16:17:57 GMT -5
Maybe after I get through the manual and the new Dirac videos that I will be able to do this. Otherwise anyone in the Washington D.C. area that is pretty good with this stuff willing to share? I actually live on Kent Island due east of the DC region.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2020 16:50:28 GMT -5
That's really interesting! So you don't have to load a data set stored on your PC? I thought that was how Dirac 1.0 worked. A couple people have pointed to this question in various way, but let me state how I think it works and see if I'm right .... 1 - Pick Preset1 in the processor, enable Dirac and use the PC to take measurements and store the resulting filters in one of three slots for Preset1 2 - You can reload the results for that slot in Preset1 back to Dirac, modify it, and store it in one of the two remaining slots for Preset1 3 - To load filters into slots for Preset2, you have to select Preset2 in the processor, enable Dirac, and do another set of measurements, and save the results to one of the Preset2 slots There is no way to take measurements that were taken for Preset1 and transfer them to create filter sets for Preset2. At least one reason for this is that Dirac needs to know the number and types of speakers and this may be different for Presets 1 and 2.Am I correct? If I have read this correctly, your understanding is correct. Lonnie So I haven't tried this, nor am I likely to be able to in the next few days, but what if: * We make the assumption that the speaker configuration for Preset 1 and Preset 2 is the same * We enable DL on Preset 1, startup DL on the laptop and take our measurements * We then stop right after measuring and Save a project P1-Measurements (separate from the autosave) * We then continue on and choose our target curve, make filters and upload into a Preset 1 Slot (this is actually optional) * We quit DL on the laptop, disable Dirac Live on Preset 1 and Enable it on Preset 2 * We then startup Dirac Live, and immediately load the P1-measurements project Does it know or care that we're no longer on Preset 1? (it would still be able to contact all of the same speakers) will the load succeed or fail? If the project loads and you continue on the only place it could save would be Preset 2 |
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Post by ttocs on Jul 20, 2020 16:58:36 GMT -5
That's really interesting! So you don't have to load a data set stored on your PC? I thought that was how Dirac 1.0 worked. A couple people have pointed to this question in various way, but let me state how I think it works and see if I'm right .... 1 - Pick Preset1 in the processor, enable Dirac and use the PC to take measurements and store the resulting filters in one of three slots for Preset1 2 - You can reload the results for that slot in Preset1 back to Dirac, modify it, and store it in one of the two remaining slots for Preset1 3 - To load filters into slots for Preset2, you have to select Preset2 in the processor, enable Dirac, and do another set of measurements, and save the results to one of the Preset2 slots There is no way to take measurements that were taken for Preset1 and transfer them to create filter sets for Preset2. At least one reason for this is that Dirac needs to know the number and types of speakers and this may be different for Presets 1 and 2. Am I correct? If I have read this correctly, your understanding is correct. Lonnie So I haven't tried this, nor am I likely to be able to in the next few days, but what if: * We make the assumption that the speaker configuration for Preset 1 and Preset 2 is the same * We enable DL on Preset 1, startup DL on the laptop and take our measurements * We then stop right after measuring and Save a project P1-Measurements (separate from the autosave) * We then continue on and choose our target curve, make filters and upload into a Preset 1 Slot (this is actually optional) * We quit DL on the laptop, disable Dirac Live on Preset 1 and Enable it on Preset 2 * We then startup Dirac Live, and immediately load the P1-measurements project Does it know or care that we're no longer on Preset 1? (it would still be able to contact all of the same speakers) will the load succeed or fail? If the project loads and you continue on the only place it could save would be Preset 2 When loading a saved Project, I think Dirac only cares about the same speakers being active that were originally active in that Project. It doesn't care about Preset-1 or Preset-2. So all of the speaker locations must match what is in the saved Project. I've run into this because I didn't name the Project correctly and informatively. |
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 20, 2020 16:58:45 GMT -5
That's really interesting! So you don't have to load a data set stored on your PC? I thought that was how Dirac 1.0 worked. A couple people have pointed to this question in various way, but let me state how I think it works and see if I'm right .... 1 - Pick Preset1 in the processor, enable Dirac and use the PC to take measurements and store the resulting filters in one of three slots for Preset1 2 - You can reload the results for that slot in Preset1 back to Dirac, modify it, and store it in one of the two remaining slots for Preset1 3 - To load filters into slots for Preset2, you have to select Preset2 in the processor, enable Dirac, and do another set of measurements, and save the results to one of the Preset2 slots There is no way to take measurements that were taken for Preset1 and transfer them to create filter sets for Preset2. At least one reason for this is that Dirac needs to know the number and types of speakers and this may be different for Presets 1 and 2. Am I correct? If I have read this correctly, your understanding is correct. Lonnie So I haven't tried this, nor am I likely to be able to in the next few days, but what if: * We make the assumption that the speaker configuration for Preset 1 and Preset 2 is the same * We enable DL on Preset 1, startup DL on the laptop and take our measurements * We then stop right after measuring and Save a project P1-Measurements (separate from the autosave) * We then continue on and choose our target curve, make filters and upload into a Preset 1 Slot (this is actually optional) * We quit DL on the laptop, disable Dirac Live on Preset 1 and Enable it on Preset 2 * We then startup Dirac Live, and immediately load the P1-measurements project Does it know or care that we're no longer on Preset 1? (it would still be able to contact all of the same speakers) will the load succeed or fail? If the project loads and you continue on the only place it could save would be Preset 2 That is a good question and one that I do not have the answer for. Will have to try it over the next few days. |
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Post by Talley on Jul 21, 2020 8:02:13 GMT -5
So we are very close to having Dirac now for the RMC-1L. This is good news. I bought mine in November 2019. I've literally left my speakers just laying sideways on the floor the entire time so that way when I get Dirac I will align everything and then I get a better improvement on quality.
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Post by tngiloy on Jul 21, 2020 8:15:18 GMT -5
So we are very close to having Dirac now for the RMC-1L. This is good news. I bought mine in November 2019. I've literally left my speakers just laying sideways on the floor the entire time so that way when I get Dirac I will align everything and then I get a better improvement on quality. I can't think of any reason not to set your speakers up the best you can now without Dirac- distance from walls/each other/angles/etc.- and then run Dirac when you have it. Dirac is frosting on the cake. But you need to bake the cake first. |
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Post by markc on Jul 21, 2020 12:08:51 GMT -5
So we are very close to having Dirac now for the RMC-1L. This is good news. I bought mine in November 2019. I've literally left my speakers just laying sideways on the floor the entire time so that way when I get Dirac I will align everything and then I get a better improvement on quality. I can't think of any reason not to set your speakers up the best you can now without Dirac- distance from walls/each other/angles/etc.- and then run Dirac when you have it. Dirac is frosting on the cake. But you need to bake the cake first. Agree - you'll get better imaging and sound and localisation from optimally putting speakers where they ought to go rather than any trickery Dirac Live can muster |
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Post by Vermont99 on Jul 21, 2020 12:20:47 GMT -5
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Post by KeithL on Jul 21, 2020 12:35:23 GMT -5
The short answer is that it SHOULD work - if it's set up properly. (We used that one with the previous version of Dirac and it did work.)
However, we can't provide much in the way of supporting it if it doesn't work.
Alternately - "quite far away" is relative. A 100 foot Ethernet cable costs about $20... And it only has to be connected when you're actually performing a calibration...
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Post by Hair Nick on Jul 21, 2020 13:27:37 GMT -5
Reliability and support could become an issue with that. I ordered a few spools of Cat6 cable amzn.to/3eT07YK to be on the safe side since I have a similar issue with distance. For the price of that unit you can get a lot of Cat6 cable. EDIT: Sorry didn't mean spools in the large sense. |
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Post by timg on Jul 21, 2020 14:21:53 GMT -5
If you have a Coax port, try Moca. It's normally plug and play with 0 configuration required and no interference with your wireless network.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 21, 2020 15:08:13 GMT -5
Thanks for the reply's. I'll be ordering enough Ethernet cable to get there. I may look into the WiFi adapter when the Emo App is working properly. I would like to distinguish between KeithL 's suggestion to buy "100' Ethernet Cable", and Hair Nick 's suggestion to buy a "spool" of cable. In the first case you are buying a long CAT 6 cable with CAT 6 RJ45 connectors on each end, that were professionally installed. All you have to do is route the cable, plug one end into the G3P, and the other into a switch or router. In the second case you are buying bulk cable, presumably to route through walls, ceiling, crawl space, etc, and which you have to terminate. This might be with the RJ45's mentioned, or maybe a patch panel on one end and a Keystone RJ45 on the other. The point being the 2nd option requires much more skill, and unless you have done it before or have training, may be easy to 'mess up' and you might want a professional installer. If you plan to do it yourself, and don't have experience (and proper tools), I would recommend the prebuilt CAT6 cable. Edit: For the record, the CAT5/6 spec for length is 100 Meters or about 330 Feet. While I wouldn't suggest "pushing it" you could buy a cable up to this length to go directly from a device (like the G3P) to a Ethernet Switch. As with most cabling it's best to use the shortest cable that will do the job, but then again, one that's just a little too short doesn't help much. |
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Post by tngiloy on Jul 21, 2020 15:34:36 GMT -5
Thanks, I also updated the link in the 2nd Post. What should the thumdrive be formatted in ? FAT ? FAT32 ? |
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Post by ttocs on Jul 21, 2020 15:38:38 GMT -5
Thanks, I also updated the link in the 2nd Post. What should the thumdrive be formatted in ? FAT ? FAT32 ? From Keith's post: Place it in the main folder of a USB stick formatted FAT32. (Make sure there are no other firmware update files in the main folder!) |
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