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Post by novisnick on Oct 3, 2021 12:35:31 GMT -5
Yes, I agree. All of the videos are a year old. As a service to all Emotiva processor owners I think its time to update the videos to help take the guessing out of running Dirac Live. Or - just see the DIRAC Manual I posted. Mark Did that yesterday Mark. I’m a full time caretaker running two restaurants dealing with Covid restrictions and customers that haven’t a clue about public health safty. Time is precious and reading manuals in my spare time doesn’t happen often. I did take time for Dirac but it still left questions hence my request. I have no spare time and many that have full agendas would greatly appreciate my situation. Today your comment was neither helpful or appropriate. Thanks anyway. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 3, 2021 12:37:17 GMT -5
Or - just see the DIRAC Manual I posted. Mark Did that yesterday Mark What does it not cover that you need? Seems very thorough to me. Mark |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 3, 2021 12:41:45 GMT -5
All this confusion about the proper setup for running Dirac - especially the mic gain/master volume/ speaker volume settings- could be cleared up with a new Emotiva instruction video on proper setup with the most recent Dirac version. Just sayin'. This is handy and it comes directly from the source - DIRAC. -->CLICK HERE for DIRAC 3 User Manual<--Mark Definitely a great place to start!!!  |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 3, 2021 12:45:53 GMT -5
Definitely a great place to start!!! Yes it is, as with any new installment of anything one would want to see what changes were made. As I’ve mentioned before many folks appreciate and learn much quicker via videos versus reading long descriptive explanations and procedures. Been there, read that. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 3, 2021 12:50:37 GMT -5
Thanks so much, I’ll have to wait till next week to give it a try. I don’t recall any meters but I’ll look again. Is there a way to delay the start of a sweep? I don’t have enough time to move out of the way. Laying face down on a chair in front of my computer just isn’t optional. 😳 Here are a couple screenshots from Dirac 3.1.2 on my Mac mini using a UMIK-1 mic. The Mac mini is connected to the XMC-2 and shows on the tv display. The first one is after playing the noise on every channel. You can see that the weakest channel is the Left Surround by looking at the meters showing the dB levels. The Left Surround meter shows -23.5dB. View AttachmentThis second screenshot shows that I moved the Master slider up until the Left Surround showed -22dB, which is what I have determined works well for my system, then moved all the other speaker sliders down to match except the two subwoofer channels which I adjusted for -15dB. View AttachmentIn my situation there is no need to delay a sweep. I simply have a USB extension cable and am able to place the UMIK-1/mic stand and position it exactly where I want, all this with my laptop out of the main listening area thus starting the sweep once I'm back at my laptop. |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 3, 2021 12:50:52 GMT -5
What does it not cover that you need? Seems very thorough to me. Mark It’s a great tool, and I’ve followed it easily. It does not change my request for a video. Thats what it doesn’t cover. Thanks for your input PS: sometimes the obvious is right in front of you! LOL I run my Mac Mini with a wireless keyboard/mouse but not my PC. About time I swap it over. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Thanks again for showing me what was so obvious! LOL |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 3, 2021 12:55:41 GMT -5
What does it not cover that you need? Seems very thorough to me. Mark It’s a great tool, and I’ve followed it easily. It does not change my request for a video. Thats what it doesn’t cover. Thanks for your input PS: sometimes the obvious is right in front of you! LOL I run my Mac Mini with a wireless keyboard/mouse but not my PC. About time I swap it over. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Thanks again for showing me what was so obvious! LOL this ☝️ Just in case you missed the PS |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 3, 2021 13:11:25 GMT -5
Definitely a great place to start!!! Yes it is, as with any new installment of anything one would want to see what changes were made. As I’ve mentioned before many folks appreciate and learn much quicker via videos versus reading long descriptive explanations and procedures. Been there, read that. It's also necessary once you have a rudimentary understanding of a software to at least familiarize yourself with the updates that the software company initiates. I understand that owners of processors that use DIRAC as a room correction software sometimes tend to run it, set it and forget it. I personally have to experiment and run trials on what works and doesn't work as I too tend to run/set/forget it when I'm thoroughly satisfied. This is no different with any other software that you may use, the more you familiarize yourself with it, the easier it is to use. |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 3, 2021 13:36:59 GMT -5
Yes it is, as with any new installment of anything one would want to see what changes were made. As I’ve mentioned before many folks appreciate and learn much quicker via videos versus reading long descriptive explanations and procedures. Been there, read that. It's also necessary once you have a rudimentary understanding of a software to at least familiarize yourself with the updates that the software company initiates. I understand that owners of processors that use DIRAC as a room correction software sometimes tend to run it, set it and forget it. I personally have to experiment and run trials on what works and doesn't work as I too tend to run/set/forget it when I'm thoroughly satisfied. This is no different with any other software that you may use, the more you familiarize yourself with it, the easier it is to use. Like anything else in life, you don’t learn to drive a nail if you never or rarely pick up a hammer. 🙄 “It's also necessary once you have a rudimentary understanding of a software to at least familiarize yourself with the updates that the software company initiates.” I must have not been clear because I swear I made a similar statement I’m my first sentence of your quote. 🤔? “Yes it is, as with any new installment of anything one would want to see what changes were made” Every time I’ve used Dirac, there has been a new update. I’ve made it a habit to review the documentation prior to use. Like you, I’ve set it and forgot it! Seems that every other FW update is better than the one in between. It’s a work in progress I know and it seems to be a moving target as well. Technology marches on. |
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Post by LCSeminole on Oct 3, 2021 13:47:46 GMT -5
It's also necessary once you have a rudimentary understanding of a software to at least familiarize yourself with the updates that the software company initiates. I understand that owners of processors that use DIRAC as a room correction software sometimes tend to run it, set it and forget it. I personally have to experiment and run trials on what works and doesn't work as I too tend to run/set/forget it when I'm thoroughly satisfied. This is no different with any other software that you may use, the more you familiarize yourself with it, the easier it is to use. Like anything else in life, you don’t learn to drive a nail if you never or rarely pick up a hammer. 🙄 “It's also necessary once you have a rudimentary understanding of a software to at least familiarize yourself with the updates that the software company initiates.” I must have not been clear because I swear I made a similar statement I’m my first sentence of your quote. 🤔? “Yes it is, as with any new installment of anything one would want to see what changes were made” Every time I’ve used Dirac, there has been a new update. I’ve made it a habit to review the documentation prior to use. Like you, I’ve set it and forgot it! Seems that every other FW update is better than the one in between. It’s a work in progress I know and it seems to be a moving target as well. Technology marches on. I'm going to suggest picking up that "hammer" and using it more often, even if it is just 5 or 10 min a few times a month. Like you, since well before the pandemic, my hours at work were 55-60hr/wk, now I average 65-70(and that is only because legally over 70 isn't allowed). Most of the features haven't changed in DIRAC, just how it may work for that end result. Trial and error on the sweep levels is one good example, if it's too high, lower it, too low?, raise it. |
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Post by jbrunwa on Oct 3, 2021 13:54:39 GMT -5
Definitely a great place to start!!! Yes it is, as with any new installment of anything one would want to see what changes were made. As I’ve mentioned before many folks appreciate and learn much quicker via videos versus reading long descriptive explanations and procedures. Been there, read that. The manual is a good starting point. There is a great deal of info and additional tips and techniques as well as expert advice to answer questions at www.avsforum.com/threads/the-official-dirac-live-thread.3137722/ |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 3, 2021 14:04:55 GMT -5
Like anything else in life, you don’t learn to drive a nail if you never or rarely pick up a hammer. 🙄 “It's also necessary once you have a rudimentary understanding of a software to at least familiarize yourself with the updates that the software company initiates.” I must have not been clear because I swear I made a similar statement I’m my first sentence of your quote. 🤔? “Yes it is, as with any new installment of anything one would want to see what changes were made” Every time I’ve used Dirac, there has been a new update. I’ve made it a habit to review the documentation prior to use. Like you, I’ve set it and forgot it! Seems that every other FW update is better than the one in between. It’s a work in progress I know and it seems to be a moving target as well. Technology marches on. I'm going to suggest picking up that "hammer" and using it more often, even if it is just 5 or 10 min a few times a month. Like you, since well before the pandemic, my hours at work were 55-60hr/wk, now I average 65-70(and that is only because legally over 70 isn't allowed). Most of the features haven't changed in DIRAC, just how it may work for that end result. Trial and error on the sweep levels is one good example, if it too high, lower it, too low raise it. LOL Damn! Now I need a new hammer, perhaps a bigger one! So, you live a life on vacation! I googled the word, nice concept. Your last recommendation is the method I ultimately used. Just takes so much time but one day it will pay off. I’ve calculated that my trials will result in + 1,000 executions of running Dirac. I’m a perfectionist like most here in the lounge. Never realized you were 70 and holding. God bless, I’m not too far behind you. |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 3, 2021 15:43:53 GMT -5
What does it not cover that you need? Seems very thorough to me. Mark It’s a great tool, and I’ve followed it easily. It does not change my request for a video. Thats what it doesn’t cover. Thanks for your input PS: sometimes the obvious is right in front of you! LOL I run my Mac Mini with a wireless keyboard/mouse but not my PC. About time I swap it over. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Thanks again for showing me what was so obvious! LOL Gotcha...I agree a video would be nice, but it seems like Dirac has changed a lot on the details of "how to" over time. If anyone were to create a video, I'd want Dirac to do it instead of having each of their customers (including Emotiva) do it. Their customers have better things to do w/their time (like...develop new products of their own). The only unique thing for Emotiva is the EDNIB and switch setup (once the user provides the MAC address to Emotiva), and that's well documented. Everything else is Dirac's "baby". And, glad to see the wireless keyboard news. I have a spot I can sit and see my screen while not being in the way of the mic, so it's perfect. Mark |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 3, 2021 16:42:12 GMT -5
It’s a great tool, and I’ve followed it easily. It does not change my request for a video. Thats what it doesn’t cover. Thanks for your input PS: sometimes the obvious is right in front of you! LOL I run my Mac Mini with a wireless keyboard/mouse but not my PC. About time I swap it over. 🤣😂🤣😂🤣 Thanks again for showing me what was so obvious! LOL Gotcha...I agree a video would be nice, but it seems like Dirac has changed a lot on the details of "how to" over time. If anyone were to create a video, I'd want Dirac to do it instead of having each of their customers (including Emotiva) do it. Their customers have better things to do w/their time (like...develop new products of their own). The only unique thing for Emotiva is the EDNIB and switch setup (once the user provides the MAC address to Emotiva), and that's well documented. Everything else is Dirac's "baby". And, glad to see the wireless keyboard news. I have a spot I can sit and see my screen while not being in the way of the mic, so it's perfect. Mark I agree wholeheartedly about Dirac doing the video but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. After all the reading and research I’ve done I’ve found out that their hands are full as well. They’re going in as many directions as Emotiva but are selling on a different scale. They’ll sell Dirac to a manufacturer to make most of their income whereas retailers have to sell a lot of products to get an equivalent return. (Guess work on my behalf) Dirac gets a single customer like Emotiva and the Emotiva has to sell to all of us and then some so I think explaining to the layman takes more time. A video helps a lot. For instance, I can recall a book or manual at 30% of what I retain from videos. ( I’m speaking of exact recall) Retention is 90% but only in the scope of what I’ve read. Personal experience, I’ve recalled 30 minutes of a board meeting from 6 months ago verbatim. Sort of surprised everyone on the board. They asked for transcripts and I gave them a verbal picture exactly the way it was stated. Multiple speakers and all. Everybody has a talent bestowed upon them, I believe that it’s God given. Now, lets see if I can evict some people from my house for an hour! LOL 🤫🤫 |
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Post by klinemj on Oct 3, 2021 19:08:45 GMT -5
Gotcha...I agree a video would be nice, but it seems like Dirac has changed a lot on the details of "how to" over time. If anyone were to create a video, I'd want Dirac to do it instead of having each of their customers (including Emotiva) do it. Their customers have better things to do w/their time (like...develop new products of their own). The only unique thing for Emotiva is the EDNIB and switch setup (once the user provides the MAC address to Emotiva), and that's well documented. Everything else is Dirac's "baby". And, glad to see the wireless keyboard news. I have a spot I can sit and see my screen while not being in the way of the mic, so it's perfect. Mark I agree wholeheartedly about Dirac doing the video but I don’t see that happening anytime soon. After all the reading and research I’ve done I’ve found out that their hands are full as well. They’re going in as many directions as Emotiva but are selling on a different scale. They’ll sell Dirac to a manufacturer to make most of their income whereas retailers have to sell a lot of products to get an equivalent return. (Guess work on my behalf) Dirac gets a single customer like Emotiva and the Emotiva has to sell to all of us and then some so I think explaining to the layman takes more time. A video helps a lot. For instance, I can recall a book or manual at 30% of what I retain from videos. ( I’m speaking of exact recall) Retention is 90% but only in the scope of what I’ve read. Personal experience, I’ve recalled 30 minutes of a board meeting from 6 months ago verbatim. Sort of surprised everyone on the board. They asked for transcripts and I gave them a verbal picture exactly the way it was stated. Multiple speakers and all. Everybody has a talent bestowed upon them, I believe that it’s God given. Now, lets see if I can evict some people from my house for an hour! LOL 🤫🤫 I agree videos can help people better understand and retain. But, as I look at Dirac's documentation, it's a pretty simple process actually - especially for folks like you and me who have had Dirac for a while. New versions are different, but not that much different. I think the biggest issue with Dirac is that people don't prepare (refresh themselves in advance) and don't break it down into bits. After reading their latest manual, Dirac does a great job of helping people doing that. Readers might not do that, but Dirac has provided it in nice "chunks" with sufficient detail. And, like you - I doubt Dirac will provide a video. Mark |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 3, 2021 23:27:03 GMT -5
… but it seems like Dirac has changed a lot on the details of "how to" over time. If anyone were to create a video, I'd want Dirac to do it instead of having each of their customers (including Emotiva) do it. Their customers have better things to do w/their time (like...develop new products of their own). The only unique thing for Emotiva is the EDNIB and switch setup (once the user provides the MAC address to Emotiva), and that's well documented. Everything else is Dirac's "baby". … I agree, let the people who know the product best do the training, they will always be one step ahead of their customers. |
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Post by drabbs on Oct 4, 2021 17:45:46 GMT -5
I found this video from Storm Audio is very useful: www.stormaudio.com/how-to-perform-a-basic-dirac-live-3-calibration/Obviously we do not have some of the functionality that the Storm Audio processor has but it cover the fundamentals to use with Emotiva products. I have tried their mic positioning recommendation as shown in the video as got great results as well |
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Post by novisnick on Oct 4, 2021 19:19:04 GMT -5
ttocs klinemj AudioHTIT LCSeminole and everyone else that has assisted me and many others. Thank you! ❤️❤️❤️ I’m not sure its expressed enough but we have the greatest friends on this lounge. Big Thank you to Emotiva as well for allowing open discussion here with very few boundaries. Nick
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 4, 2021 20:10:22 GMT -5
I found this video from Storm Audio is very useful: www.stormaudio.com/how-to-perform-a-basic-dirac-live-3-calibration/Obviously we do not have some of the functionality that the Storm Audio processor has but it cover the fundamentals to use with Emotiva products. I have tried their mic positioning recommendation as shown in the video as got great results as well Just another plug for the first three posts in this thread. This video has been linked in the 2nd Post for some time, I found it helpful as well. |
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Post by keithiegee on Oct 6, 2021 0:52:50 GMT -5
Just went over the Dirac manual, it was actually easier then i thought, the only thing i will do different is measure the sub 6db+ hotter than the speakers.
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