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Post by ttocs on Nov 2, 2023 10:15:25 GMT -5
^^^^ What he said. I was doing Rinse, Lather, Repeat. Now I know where I went wrong.
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Post by marcl on Nov 2, 2023 10:32:57 GMT -5
^^^^ What he said. I was doing Rinse, Lather, Repeat. Now I know where I went wrong. "Lather, Rinse, Repeat" .... the three most famous words in the history of Marketing!
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 3, 2023 22:07:12 GMT -5
I use the Maintenance Tool that is installed with Dirac to remove any previous version of Dirac prior to installing the newer version. If you didn't use this tool, then that's what I recommend doing. Uninstall Dirac, reboot the computer, install again. This is what it looks like on a Mac in Launchpad. View AttachmentThanks ttocs....I'll give that a try when I get home today. Edit: Unable to play last night...will do so tonight.... Well....that did not work. I'm not sure what to do. Dirac tries to connect to their servers, but can't. thoughts?
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Post by ttocs on Nov 3, 2023 22:35:19 GMT -5
Thanks ttocs....I'll give that a try when I get home today. Edit: Unable to play last night...will do so tonight.... Well....that did not work. I'm not sure what to do. Dirac tries to connect to their servers, but can't. thoughts? Too bad. So, the version you have is Dirac 3.7.2? I am still using 3.6.7 on a Mac mini 2014.
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Post by cawgijoe on Nov 3, 2023 22:48:45 GMT -5
Well....that did not work. I'm not sure what to do. Dirac tries to connect to their servers, but can't. thoughts? Too bad. So, the version you have is Dirac 3.7.2? I am still using 3.6.7 on a Mac mini 2014. ok...I got through after turning off the firewall....at least I'm in. Never had to do that before.
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 5, 2023 8:53:20 GMT -5
How does Dirac work with Hi-rez discs, downloads, and streaming? IIRC Dirac requires PCM so different formats need to be converted into PCM. Isn't Dirac limited to 24bit/48K with Emotiva processors?
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Post by marcl on Nov 5, 2023 9:57:51 GMT -5
How does Dirac work with Hi-rez discs, downloads, and streaming? IIRC Dirac requires PCM so different formats need to be converted into PCM. Isn't Dirac limited to 24bit/48K with Emotiva processors? Dirac does operate at 48KHz sample rate in Emotiva processors (and very nearly all others). If you send the processor a DSD source neither Dirac nor any other DSP will work. That's the nature of DSD. I listen to lots of high res sources (all PCM or converted to PCM from the playback source) including the different flavors of Atmos encoding ... with Dolby TrueHD MKV files being the highest fidelity. Bottom line is, I think that any perceived disadvantage of downsampling from 96k or higher down to 48k, is far outweighed by the benefits of Dirac.
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 5, 2023 10:26:56 GMT -5
How does Dirac work with Hi-rez discs, downloads, and streaming? IIRC Dirac requires PCM so different formats need to be converted into PCM. Isn't Dirac limited to 24bit/48K with Emotiva processors? Dirac does operate at 48KHz sample rate in Emotiva processors (and very nearly all others). If you send the processor a DSD source neither Dirac nor any other DSP will work. That's the nature of DSD. I listen to lots of high res sources (all PCM or converted to PCM from the playback source) including the different flavors of Atmos encoding ... with Dolby TrueHD MKV files being the highest fidelity. Bottom line is, I think that any perceived disadvantage of downsampling from 96k or higher down to 48k, is far outweighed by the benefits of Dirac. Thank you for your response. The 'bottom line' to my technical question is not your opinion or my opinion about any perceived sound disadvantages or benefits to use of Dirac. I know the answer to my technical question. You responded as I expected. A Dirac user has little reason to accept any audio phoolery about Hi-rez recordings, where the resolution is > than 24bit/48K, or when the source format is different than PCM, when using Dirac. That IS the bottom line. Perhaps Dirac users could save a few dollars by judicious selection and purchase of Hi-rez recordings. Now we can proceed to Your bottom line. I do need to learn more about the various flavors of ATMOS encoding. Do you have some favorite resources? Please share them.
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Post by ttocs on Nov 5, 2023 10:59:02 GMT -5
Dirac does operate at 48KHz sample rate in Emotiva processors (and very nearly all others). . . . including Storm Audio processors.
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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 5, 2023 11:08:02 GMT -5
Dirac does operate at 48KHz sample rate in Emotiva processors (and very nearly all others). If you send the processor a DSD source neither Dirac nor any other DSP will work. That's the nature of DSD. I listen to lots of high res sources (all PCM or converted to PCM from the playback source) including the different flavors of Atmos encoding ... with Dolby TrueHD MKV files being the highest fidelity. Bottom line is, I think that any perceived disadvantage of downsampling from 96k or higher down to 48k, is far outweighed by the benefits of Dirac. Thank you for your response. The 'bottom line' to my technical question is not your opinion or my opinion about any perceived sound disadvantages or benefits to use of Dirac. I know the answer to my technical question. You responded as I expected. A Dirac user has little reason to accept any audio phoolery about Hi-rez recordings, where the resolution is > than 24bit/48K, or when the source format is different than PCM, when using Dirac. That IS the bottom line. Perhaps Dirac users could save a few dollars by judicious selection and purchase of Hi-rez recordings. Now we can proceed to Your bottom line. I do need to learn more about the various flavors of ATMOS encoding. Do you have some favorite resources? Please share them. In my system, to my ears, 48k thru Dirac sounds better than the same hi res file does in reference stereo. YMMV
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Post by marcl on Nov 5, 2023 12:21:00 GMT -5
Dirac does operate at 48KHz sample rate in Emotiva processors (and very nearly all others). If you send the processor a DSD source neither Dirac nor any other DSP will work. That's the nature of DSD. I listen to lots of high res sources (all PCM or converted to PCM from the playback source) including the different flavors of Atmos encoding ... with Dolby TrueHD MKV files being the highest fidelity. Bottom line is, I think that any perceived disadvantage of downsampling from 96k or higher down to 48k, is far outweighed by the benefits of Dirac. Thank you for your response. The 'bottom line' to my technical question is not your opinion or my opinion about any perceived sound disadvantages or benefits to use of Dirac. I know the answer to my technical question. You responded as I expected. A Dirac user has little reason to accept any audio phoolery about Hi-rez recordings, where the resolution is > than 24bit/48K, or when the source format is different than PCM, when using Dirac. That IS the bottom line. Perhaps Dirac users could save a few dollars by judicious selection and purchase of Hi-rez recordings. Now we can proceed to Your bottom line. I do need to learn more about the various flavors of ATMOS encoding. Do you have some favorite resources? Please share them. Funny thing is, I wrote the broader technical response and posted before I realized that it was you asking the question. But still, the information is correct and maybe useful to the general readership. Since all Atmos is 48KHz Dirac sample rate is not an issue for Atmos, of course. To answer your last question, 2L sells Pure Audio bluray discs with Atmos; two download resources that I have used are: trptk.com/ and immersiveaudioalbum.com/I have listened to tracks in Atmos from Apple Music on Apple TV 4K, as well as Blueray and MKV versions of several tracks. To my ear the MKV always sounds the best, and any downloaded or Bluray always sounds better than Apple Music ... though Apple Music Atmos does sound really good! Sean Olive has done some quantitative testing and determined the same, generally streaming sources will be audibly compressed. As for whether sample rates greater than 48KHz are phoolery, I anxiously await the first ever A/B/X test (i.e. not holding my breath). Mark Waldrep's "survey" (AES 10417 Oct 2020) with well-controlled sources distributed to the general public to listen to on their own systems concluded that there was no evidence of an audible difference between 96KHz and Red Book. And then there are those you swear vinyl sounds better than both ....
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Post by thx2023 on Nov 5, 2023 12:27:02 GMT -5
Dirac does operate at 48KHz sample rate in Emotiva processors (and very nearly all others). . . . including Storm Audio processors.
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Post by thx2023 on Nov 5, 2023 12:41:10 GMT -5
Greetings men of Audio Science, I have a new mystery to solve... I have a 3.1 set up with a single SVS SB-3000 as a sub. Sub works fine with blu-ray movies, but in two channel (Analog 1) play, the sub just sets there, I have tried both stereo and surround mode on the RMC-1L to make it work (I know it does not work in Ref Stereo mode). I have L/R/C's set to large, and "enhanced bass" selected in setup, with a the sub at center (vs L or R) set to LFE. This is "supposed" to pass the low end to both the mains and and the sub below 80 HZ. Seems to work with movies, but not two channel...
BTW, still very new to the forum, can't figure our how to selext a specife thread and post an oringal post. I seem to have to hijack and existing post and repost...
Thanks
Terry
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Post by marcl on Nov 5, 2023 13:06:42 GMT -5
Greetings men of Audio Science, I have a new mystery to solve... I have a 3.1 set up with a single SVS SB-3000 as a sub. Sub works fine with blu-ray movies, but in two channel (Analog 1) play, the sub just sets there, I have tried both stereo and surround mode on the RMC-1L to make it work (I know it does not work in Ref Stereo mode). I have L/R/C's set to large, and "enhanced bass" selected in setup, with a the sub at center (vs L or R) set to LFE. This is "supposed" to pass the low end to both the mains and and the sub below 80 HZ. Seems to work with movies, but not two channel... BTW, still very new to the forum, can't figure our how to selext a specife thread and post an oringal post. I seem to have to hijack and existing post and repost... Thanks Terry I started to answer three times and quit When you play 2 channel in Stereo mode, nothing comes out of the Center, right? If you use Dolby Surround mode with a 2 channel analog source, does sound come from the Center speaker? Where I'm going is something to do with the upmixer. Maybe the processor will not convert an analog source to digital and upmix it. Can you try a 2 channel digital source?
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Post by ttocs on Nov 5, 2023 13:46:05 GMT -5
Greetings men of Audio Science, I have a new mystery to solve... I have a 3.1 set up with a single SVS SB-3000 as a sub. Sub works fine with blu-ray movies, but in two channel (Analog 1) play, the sub just sets there, I have tried both stereo and surround mode on the RMC-1L to make it work (I know it does not work in Ref Stereo mode). I have L/R/C's set to large, and "enhanced bass" selected in setup, with a the sub at center (vs L or R) set to LFE. This is "supposed" to pass the low end to both the mains and and the sub below 80 HZ. Seems to work with movies, but not two channel... BTW, still very new to the forum, can't figure our how to selext a specife thread and post an oringal post. I seem to have to hijack and existing post and repost... Thanks Terry I started to answer three times and quit When you play 2 channel in Stereo mode, nothing comes out of the Center, right? If you use Dolby Surround mode with a 2 channel analog source, does sound come from the Center speaker? Where I'm going is something to do with the upmixer. Maybe the processor will not convert an analog source to digital and upmix it. Can you try a 2 channel digital source? I'll try something. Hang on for a bit.
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Post by marcl on Nov 5, 2023 13:50:40 GMT -5
I started to answer three times and quit When you play 2 channel in Stereo mode, nothing comes out of the Center, right? If you use Dolby Surround mode with a 2 channel analog source, does sound come from the Center speaker? Where I'm going is something to do with the upmixer. Maybe the processor will not convert an analog source to digital and upmix it. Can you try a 2 channel digital source? I'll try something. Hang on for a bit. Yeah ya know I kept looking over my shoulder and then remembering the machine is somewhere in VA right now.
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 5, 2023 14:16:26 GMT -5
Thank you for your response. The 'bottom line' to my technical question is not your opinion or my opinion about any perceived sound disadvantages or benefits to use of Dirac. I know the answer to my technical question. You responded as I expected. A Dirac user has little reason to accept any audio phoolery about Hi-rez recordings, where the resolution is > than 24bit/48K, or when the source format is different than PCM, when using Dirac. That IS the bottom line. Perhaps Dirac users could save a few dollars by judicious selection and purchase of Hi-rez recordings. Now we can proceed to Your bottom line. I do need to learn more about the various flavors of ATMOS encoding. Do you have some favorite resources? Please share them. Funny thing is, I wrote the broader technical response and posted before I realized that it was you asking the question. But still, the information is correct and maybe useful to the general readership. Since all Atmos is 48KHz Dirac sample rate is not an issue for Atmos, of course. To answer your last question, 2L sells Pure Audio bluray discs with Atmos; two download resources that I have used are: trptk.com/ and immersiveaudioalbum.com/I have listened to tracks in Atmos from Apple Music on Apple TV 4K, as well as Blueray and MKV versions of several tracks. To my ear the MKV always sounds the best, and any downloaded or Bluray always sounds better than Apple Music ... though Apple Music Atmos does sound really good! Sean Olive has done some quantitative testing and determined the same, generally streaming sources will be audibly compressed. As for whether sample rates greater than 48KHz are phoolery, I anxiously await the first ever A/B/X test (i.e. not holding my breath). Mark Waldrep's "survey" (AES 10417 Oct 2020) with well-controlled sources distributed to the general public to listen to on their own systems concluded that there was no evidence of an audible difference between 96KHz and Red Book. And then there are those you swear vinyl sounds better than both .... Perhaps you could state ‘to the general readership’ why your post responses would be different from post to post depending on who made the post. I suggest that responding to the words in a post is the best course. If there is something you don’t understand, ask for clarification. Your additional information may be valuable. Thanks for the two links. Trtpk is new for me. I was asking for a favorite source that discusses the technical differences and attributes of different ATMOS encoding techniques. Mark Waldrep is a fantastic guy and a treasure to the audio community. He’s gone through a tough time in the last few years. I read his book and have a few of his recordings. Mark Waldrep’s survey is telling and valuable. I didn’t say anything about sample rates greater than 48Khz being phoolery; noting the context of your paragraph. I said “A Dirac user has little reason to accept any audio phoolery about Hi-rez recordings, where the resolution is > than 24bit/48K, or when the source format is different than PCM, when using Dirac.”. The operative words were “when using Dirac”, and Dirac has a 24bit/48Khz limit in most processors; including Storm Audio, as stated by ttocs above. Of course there are multi-channel recordings with higher resolution than 24/48 – none are ATMOS. I have several. I’ll bet you do too. Foggy1956 states above, “In my system, to my ears, 48k thru Dirac sounds better than the same hi res file does in reference stereo. YMMV”. How does your Mileage Vary with reproduction of recordings that have higher resolutions than 24/48, when reproduced with the application of Dirac? There May or May Not be ‘audio phoolry’ in a discussion about Hi-rez recordings in general – lot of stuff in the details. There Is some audio phoolery in playing, and paying more for, a recording that is higher rez than 24/48, and then applying Dirac limited to 24/48, to the output of that hi-rez recording. I swear that my old vinyl is still fun enough to keep a turntable that is obscenely expensive compared to a HT processor. That is all.
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Post by ttocs on Nov 5, 2023 14:17:24 GMT -5
Greetings men of Audio Science, I have a new mystery to solve... I have a 3.1 set up with a single SVS SB-3000 as a sub. Sub works fine with blu-ray movies, but in two channel (Analog 1) play, the sub just sets there, I have tried both stereo and surround mode on the RMC-1L to make it work (I know it does not work in Ref Stereo mode). I have L/R/C's set to large, and "enhanced bass" selected in setup, with a the sub at center (vs L or R) set to LFE. This is "supposed" to pass the low end to both the mains and and the sub below 80 HZ. Seems to work with movies, but not two channel... BTW, still very new to the forum, can't figure our how to selext a specife thread and post an oringal post. I seem to have to hijack and existing post and repost... Thanks Terry I setup the system for Fronts Large, and Left/Right Sub Mono. Connected the old OPPO via Balanced In (analog) on the XMC-2. The amp for the Fronts is OFF. Only the Subwoofer is ON. When I play a CD I can toggle Enhanced Bass on and off and get the subwoofer to play the Enhanced Bass. When I engage the Center channel setup as Large, I can still toggle the Enhanced Bass on and off and get the subwoofer to react as expected. edit: Forgot one thing. I'm using USER EQ. I'll try Dirac.
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Post by marcl on Nov 5, 2023 14:20:45 GMT -5
Greetings men of Audio Science, I have a new mystery to solve... I have a 3.1 set up with a single SVS SB-3000 as a sub. Sub works fine with blu-ray movies, but in two channel (Analog 1) play, the sub just sets there, I have tried both stereo and surround mode on the RMC-1L to make it work (I know it does not work in Ref Stereo mode). I have L/R/C's set to large, and "enhanced bass" selected in setup, with a the sub at center (vs L or R) set to LFE. This is "supposed" to pass the low end to both the mains and and the sub below 80 HZ. Seems to work with movies, but not two channel... BTW, still very new to the forum, can't figure our how to selext a specife thread and post an oringal post. I seem to have to hijack and existing post and repost... Thanks Terry I setup the system for Fronts Large, and Left/Right Sub Mono. Connected the old OPPO via Balanced In (analog) on the XMC-2. The amp for the Fronts is OFF. Only the Subwoofer is ON. When I play a CD I can toggle Enhanced Bass on and off and get the subwoofer to play the Enhanced Bass. When I engage the Center channel setup as Large, I can still toggle the Enhanced Bass on and off and get the subwoofer to react as expected. edit: Forgot one thing. I'm using USER EQ. I'll try Dirac. But ... does it still work with the sub connected to Center Sub and LFE mode?
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Post by marcl on Nov 5, 2023 14:28:07 GMT -5
Funny thing is, I wrote the broader technical response and posted before I realized that it was you asking the question. But still, the information is correct and maybe useful to the general readership. Since all Atmos is 48KHz Dirac sample rate is not an issue for Atmos, of course. To answer your last question, 2L sells Pure Audio bluray discs with Atmos; two download resources that I have used are: trptk.com/ and immersiveaudioalbum.com/I have listened to tracks in Atmos from Apple Music on Apple TV 4K, as well as Blueray and MKV versions of several tracks. To my ear the MKV always sounds the best, and any downloaded or Bluray always sounds better than Apple Music ... though Apple Music Atmos does sound really good! Sean Olive has done some quantitative testing and determined the same, generally streaming sources will be audibly compressed. As for whether sample rates greater than 48KHz are phoolery, I anxiously await the first ever A/B/X test (i.e. not holding my breath). Mark Waldrep's "survey" (AES 10417 Oct 2020) with well-controlled sources distributed to the general public to listen to on their own systems concluded that there was no evidence of an audible difference between 96KHz and Red Book. And then there are those you swear vinyl sounds better than both .... Perhaps you could state ‘to the general readership’ why your post responses would be different from post to post depending on who made the post. I suggest that responding to the words in a post is the best course. If there is something you don’t understand, ask for clarification. Your additional information may be valuable. Thanks for the two links. Trtpk is new for me. I was asking for a favorite source that discusses the technical differences and attributes of different ATMOS encoding techniques. Mark Waldrep is a fantastic guy and a treasure to the audio community. He’s gone through a tough time in the last few years. I read his book and have a few of his recordings. Mark Waldrep’s survey is telling and valuable. I didn’t say anything about sample rates greater than 48Khz being phoolery; noting the context of your paragraph. I said “A Dirac user has little reason to accept any audio phoolery about Hi-rez recordings, where the resolution is > than 24bit/48K, or when the source format is different than PCM, when using Dirac.”. The operative words were “when using Dirac”, and Dirac has a 24bit/48Khz limit in most processors; including Storm Audio, as stated by ttocs above. Of course there are multi-channel recordings with higher resolution than 24/48 – none are ATMOS. I have several. I’ll bet you do too. Foggy1956 states above, “In my system, to my ears, 48k thru Dirac sounds better than the same hi res file does in reference stereo. YMMV”. How does your Mileage Vary with reproduction of recordings that have higher resolutions than 24/48, when reproduced with the application of Dirac? There May or May Not be ‘audio phoolry’ in a discussion about Hi-rez recordings in general – lot of stuff in the details. There Is some audio phoolery in playing, or paying more for, a recording that is higher rez than 24/48, and then applying Dirac limited to 24/48, to the output of that hi-rez recording. I swear that my old vinyl is still fun enough to keep a turntable that is obscenely expensive compared to a HT processor. That is all. Yes I realized after I responded I intended to include this reference .... audiophilestyle.com/ca/immersive/sources-the-ultimate-guide-to-high-end-immersive-audio-r1226/
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