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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 19, 2020 18:10:41 GMT -5
Could someone point me to the place where I can register for my Dirac access? I haven't read much of the forum yet, but I promise to do that later. Thanks. 2nd post in this thread has a link, with a red note. |
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Post by zarthaz on Jul 20, 2020 1:37:49 GMT -5
Sent away the reply to Emotiva regarding email, Mac address etc.
Thought I'd log on to my Dirac account and once more is says my password is wrong, go to retrieve password, no email from them to reset password.
So thought hey, let me try and make a new account with the same email address as the one I have already 2 Dirac licences under from the XMC-1, lo and behold it allowed me to make a new account with an email already having an account.
Never ever had that before, always get a message like"an email address already exists" but no, but no not Dirac. Pretty clunky website, but hey if that is what it takes, so be it. Dodgy as though
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Post by sylex on Jul 20, 2020 4:30:16 GMT -5
I must be stupid but I can't find how, once we have created 3 different Dirac filters in 1 preset, we can assign the 2nd filter (for example) by default to 1 input and how we can switch from one filter to another during listening.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2020 4:40:00 GMT -5
I must be stupid but I can't find how, once we have created 3 different Dirac filters in 1 preset, we can assign the 2nd filter (for example) by default to 1 input and how we can switch from one filter to another during listening. You can load three slots with filters in each of the two presets, each preset has an ‘active’ slot, from the remote you can select either preset, and hence switch between two filters. To switch between filters within a preset you must use the menu. |
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Post by sylex on Jul 20, 2020 5:07:51 GMT -5
"you must use the menu" OK, but I'd prefer to have a button like for presets, at least I need discrete IR codes and I don't see in manuals how to switch between filters in a preset.
I'm a french guy and my english is too poor to explain clearly what I think. Oops.
On my XMC-1, I had 3 set of presets/filters (2 Dirac + 1 manual), I can switch between them directly with original remote or discrete IR codes on universal remote.
On my new XMC-2, I have 8 set of filters. But they're grouped by preset, with same parameters (delay...). So I need to use 1 preset to use only 1 set of manual filters. And the other preset to use 3 set of Dirac filters. So, at the end, only 4 set of filters. And I need to use menu to switch between Dirac filters in 1 preset.
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Post by SOWK on Jul 20, 2020 8:32:31 GMT -5
Has Emotiva found a way to verify everything is transferred properly when uploading the Dirac Filters to the G3P's?
Mixed phase room correction
Impulse Response
Frequency correction
etc...
Basically I want to make sure we are getting real Dirac Correction and not just part of it.
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Post by tngiloy on Jul 20, 2020 8:49:46 GMT -5
I would like to have some things clarified by either anyone from Emotiva or a beta tester please. My understanding is that once Dirac is released to the masses for the XMC-2 and RMC-1: -I will be able to run and store 2 different Dirac solutions- one under 'preset one' and a second Dirac solution under 'preset two'. -I can enter different speaker configurations under the 2 presets, ie 7.1 under 'preset one' and 2.1 under 'preset two' and run Dirac for those different speaker configurations. -And I can apply either of the Dirac configurations to any input - 2.1 Dirac to my stereo sources and 7.1 to surround sound sources. And once set into the setup for each source it cannot be changed on the fly. -I asked for 2.1 and 7.1 (which is what I use), but I would assume(if I understand correctly) that this would be true for 2.0 to the most speakers Emo can use for Atmos, etc. -And if one wanted to use Dirac for one and an imported or created filter for the other. -But we won't be able to do what the Dirac linked video above said that the NAD could do (which is what I think sylex was asking) which is to change on the fly between any of the three stored configurations in either 'preset one' or 'preset two' ? BTW English is my first and only language. sylex, your English is very good and I hope my questions are clear as yours are. |
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Post by geebo on Jul 20, 2020 9:53:33 GMT -5
I would like to have some things clarified by either anyone from Emotiva or a beta tester please. My understanding is that once Dirac is released to the masses for the XMC-2 and RMC-1: -I will be able to run and store 2 different Dirac solutions- one under 'preset one' and a second Dirac solution under 'preset two'. -I can enter different speaker configurations under the 2 presets, ie 7.1 under 'preset one' and 2.1 under 'preset two' and run Dirac for those different speaker configurations. -And I can apply either of the Dirac configurations to any input - 2.1 Dirac to my stereo sources and 7.1 to surround sound sources. And once set into the setup for each source it cannot be changed on the fly. -I asked for 2.1 and 7.1 (which is what I use), but I would assume(if I understand correctly) that this would be true for 2.0 to the most speakers Emo can use for Atmos, etc. -And if one wanted to use Dirac for one and an imported or created filter for the other. -But we won't be able to do what the Dirac linked video above said that the NAD could do (which is what I think sylex was asking) which is to change on the fly between any of the three stored configurations in either 'preset one' or 'preset two' ? BTW English is my first and only language. sylex, your English is very good and I hope my questions are clear as yours are. You can store 3 Dirac filters in each of the two presets. Each of the two presets can have their own speaker config. Each preset can have one of three Dirac filters or the Manual EQ selected as a default for that preset. You can change presets on the fly but you have to go into the menu to change the default EQ for either preset. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2020 10:45:45 GMT -5
change on the fly between any of the three stored configurations in either 'preset one' or 'preset two' ? One would think discrete IR codes and Network API additions are coming. There hasn’t been any indication we’re going to get discrete codes down to the Slot level, but if it happens I’ll be pleasantly surprised. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2020 10:54:00 GMT -5
Has Emotiva found a way to verify everything is transferred properly when uploading the Dirac Filters to the G3P's? Mixed phase room correction Impulse Response Frequency correction etc... Basically I want to make sure we are getting real Dirac Correction and not just part of it. I don’t think Emotiva needs to figure out a way, you could use an RTA on your phone or tablet to verify the range of change, the others I think you have to trust that Dirac works, though REW could probably confirm them. Everyone is using the same Dirac Live, is there some reason you think the G3Ps would use the filters differently? |
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Post by tngiloy on Jul 20, 2020 10:57:39 GMT -5
change on the fly between any of the three stored configurations in either 'preset one' or 'preset two' ? One would think discrete IR codes and Network API additions are coming. There hasn’t been any indication we’re going to get discrete codes down to the Slot level, but if it happens I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Thanks for clarifying that for me. That's what I understood, but wanted to make sure. One more quick question that will probably be made clear when I can use Dirac 3.x - I can run Dirac in a 2.1 and 7.1, but I will need to set 'preset 1' for 7.1 (or whatever) and preset 2 for 2.1 in the Emo setup ? So I will need to do two separate Dirac runs , right? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2020 10:58:53 GMT -5
There hasn’t been any indication we’re going to get discrete codes down to the Slot level, but if it happens I’ll be pleasantly surprised. Thanks for clarifying that for me. That's what I understood, but wanted to make sure. One more quick question that will probably be made clear when I can use Dirac 3.x - I can run Dirac in a 2.1 and 7.1, but I will need to set 'preset 1' for 7.1 (or whatever) and preset 2 for 2.1 in the Emo setup ?Correct, that’s how my system is setup. |
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Post by ttocs on Jul 20, 2020 11:23:20 GMT -5
One more quick question that will probably be made clear when I can use Dirac 3.x - I can run Dirac in a 2.1 and 7.1, but I will need to set 'preset 1' for 7.1 (or whatever) and preset 2 for 2.1 in the Emo setup ? So I will need to do two separate Dirac runs , right? There are some caveats to what I'm about to say, but, Since Dirac is going to correct every speaker, do we really need to create a filter for just 2.1? Isn't this the same as what happens when we watch a 7.1.4 movie, and then watch a 5.1 movie so fewer speakers are being used? Those speakers are still corrected individually. Now the caveat. I can see that one may want a different curve for a particular setup, or even play with how the bass management is utilized, so these would require different filters. And now a caveat to the caveat. Instead of creating a filter for only a few speakers even though you may only want to use just a few, wouldn't there still be some benefit to correcting all speakers in the system for some extra versatility? |
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Post by SOWK on Jul 20, 2020 11:34:45 GMT -5
Has Emotiva found a way to verify everything is transferred properly when uploading the Dirac Filters to the G3P's? Mixed phase room correction Impulse Response Frequency correction etc... Basically I want to make sure we are getting real Dirac Correction and not just part of it. I don’t think Emotiva needs to figure out a way, you could use an RTA on your phone or tablet to verify the range of change, the others I think you have to trust that Dirac works, though REW could probably confirm them. Everyone is using the same Dirac Live, is there some reason you think the G3Ps would use the filters differently? Well, it is their product, and solution to getting Dirac to work. I would think they would want to verify it is translating everything correctly, and that the implementation they used, can do all of the type of corrections that Dirac is supposed to be doing. You can test somethings via REW/RTA, but If you know how to check for Mixed phase room correction please let me know. I really don't think what I am asking is unreasonable. Especially with how the entire roll out has been from the start. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 20, 2020 11:46:27 GMT -5
One more quick question that will probably be made clear when I can use Dirac 3.x - I can run Dirac in a 2.1 and 7.1, but I will need to set 'preset 1' for 7.1 (or whatever) and preset 2 for 2.1 in the Emo setup ? So I will need to do two separate Dirac runs , right? There are some caveats to what I'm about to say, but, Since Dirac is going to correct every speaker, do we really need to create a filter for just 2.1? Isn't this the same as what happens when we watch a 7.1.4 movie, and then watch a 5.1 movie so fewer speakers are being used? Those speakers are still corrected individually. Now the caveat. I can see that one may want a different curve for a particular setup, or even play with how the bass management is utilized, so these would require different filters. And now a caveat to the caveat. Instead of creating a filter for only a few speakers even though you may only want to use just a few, wouldn't there still be some benefit to correcting all speakers in the system for some extra versatility? Another caveat is if your 2.x system isn’t a subset of your 7.x.x system, but rather (like me) you have a totally different set of amps and speakers for 2.x that aren’t even on when measuring 7.x. The separate preset is required — though I wish there was a trigger option for Speaker Preset, I’m doing it with inputs. |
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Post by megash0n on Jul 20, 2020 11:49:26 GMT -5
I don’t think Emotiva needs to figure out a way, you could use an RTA on your phone or tablet to verify the range of change, the others I think you have to trust that Dirac works, though REW could probably confirm them. Everyone is using the same Dirac Live, is there some reason you think the G3Ps would use the filters differently? Well, it is their product, and solution to getting Dirac to work. I would think they would want to verify it is translating everything correctly, and that the implementation they used, can do all of the type of corrections that Dirac is supposed to be doing. You can test somethings via REW/RTA, but If you know how to check for Mixed phase room correction please let me know. I really don't think what I am asking is unreasonable. Especially with how the entire roll out has been from the start. I don't think it is unreasonable at all to be able to see the settings created. It would be difficult to prove they work as intended much like our DTS issue. If you could see all settings, and then test via REW, there may not be much else you can do. |
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Post by markc on Jul 20, 2020 11:56:31 GMT -5
One more quick question that will probably be made clear when I can use Dirac 3.x - I can run Dirac in a 2.1 and 7.1, but I will need to set 'preset 1' for 7.1 (or whatever) and preset 2 for 2.1 in the Emo setup ? So I will need to do two separate Dirac runs , right? There are some caveats to what I'm about to say, but, Since Dirac is going to correct every speaker, do we really need to create a filter for just 2.1? Isn't this the same as what happens when we watch a 7.1.4 movie, and then watch a 5.1 movie so fewer speakers are being used? Those speakers are still corrected individually. Now the caveat. I can see that one may want a different curve for a particular setup, or even play with how the bass management is utilized, so these would require different filters. And now a caveat to the caveat. Instead of creating a filter for only a few speakers even though you may only want to use just a few, wouldn't there still be some benefit to correcting all speakers in the system for some extra versatility? Yes, you are right. I think this may change with Dirac Live Bass Control as this controls crossovers to different speakers as well as bass redirection to any bass capable speakers and not just to the subwoofer(s). For normal bass management it doesn’t change and a Dirac correction filter per speaker should be ok as it is unaffected by how many speakers are outputting audio or the use of any crossovers ThIs is why the single Dirac preset was fine for me on my XMC-1 Listening to music (as I am now with Orbison’s 1988 recordings in Mystery Girl which has so many emotive sad songs with his voice getting me every time!) I use HDMI input 1 from my HTPC And which is set to use Speaker Preset 1 with All Large speakers in a 7.2.1 and no buttkicker. For movies I use HDMI input 2 using an HDMI splitter from the same HDMI output of my HTPC. Input 2 uses Preset 2 set up as All Small for movies, and is 7.2.2 with the second "subwoofer" being my buttkicker in dual mono. Regular bass management is used. when I get Dirac, I will hopefully be able to export the same filters to both presets without doing any new measurements. My speakers will have the same in-room response no matter on the input and should benefit from the same compensations. I have a feeling that a better way for the 8 presets to be stored would be as 8 completely separate and individually selectable presets Rather than two banks of 4 filter options (3 Dirac and one non Dirac) probably even 4 separate presets with one option in each would be better and more useful than the current 2 presets with the choice of four filter set options in each. jumping the gun a bit, but this would probably be more relevant if/when DLBC comes to our processors with 4-8 presets and in each of those, one could have a single choice of standard/PEQ or Dirac Live or Dirac Live Bass Control With each method configuring the filters, speaker configuration, crossovers, trims etc accordingly |
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Post by markc on Jul 20, 2020 12:12:15 GMT -5
Regarding my Buttkicker - I am definitely missing Dirac!
On the XMC-1 I used Dirac as a low-pass filter for the buttkicker.
My Main speakers have crossovers from 60-80Hz, below which Bass gets managed to the subwoofer (good) and buttkicker (sometimes bad)
Even a 24db//octave crossover at 80kHz to the Subwoofer sends some 100-150Hz audio to the subwoofers.
This is fine for a subwoofer, but I don’t want my sofa reverberating to audio in this range (saving it for the proper low frequency impact stuff you want to and would expect to FEEL)
I have had to turn the buttkicker amplifier down in volume since I got the XMC-2 as the mid and high bass sofa vibration got wearisome, so lost a lot of the ooomph
After lots of reading when I got my XMC-1, I established a consensus that a crossover to the transducers like the Buttkicker work best around 50-60Hz to avoid the high bass vibration.
With XMC-1 Dirac I set the buttkicker "subwoofer" target curve to give a roll-off low pass filter slope starting from 50Hz ending with zero Volume at 100Hz, and the upper curtains set to 200
It was perfect!
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 20, 2020 12:27:59 GMT -5
I don’t think Emotiva needs to figure out a way, you could use an RTA on your phone or tablet to verify the range of change, the others I think you have to trust that Dirac works, though REW could probably confirm them. Everyone is using the same Dirac Live, is there some reason you think the G3Ps would use the filters differently? Well, it is their product, and solution to getting Dirac to work. I would think they would want to verify it is translating everything correctly, and that the implementation they used, can do all of the type of corrections that Dirac is supposed to be doing. You can test somethings via REW/RTA, but If you know how to check for Mixed phase room correction please let me know. I really don't think what I am asking is unreasonable. Especially with how the entire roll out has been from the start. We have verified that all data passed from the Dirac calculations are being applied correctly. We have no control of how those calculations are run or what they come up with. That is all on Dirac. All we do is take the information and apply it and we have built in checks to make sure it gets transferred and applied correctly. Lonnie |
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Post by Lonnie on Jul 20, 2020 12:33:32 GMT -5
Well, it is their product, and solution to getting Dirac to work. I would think they would want to verify it is translating everything correctly, and that the implementation they used, can do all of the type of corrections that Dirac is supposed to be doing. You can test somethings via REW/RTA, but If you know how to check for Mixed phase room correction please let me know. I really don't think what I am asking is unreasonable. Especially with how the entire roll out has been from the start. I don't think it is unreasonable at all to be able to see the settings created. It would be difficult to prove they work as intended much like our DTS issue. If you could see all settings, and then test via REW, there may not be much else you can do. Just curious, how would you be able to interpolate the data? 1028 FIR taps and 24 BiQuads per speaker. Lonnie |
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