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Post by jhurst on Jul 3, 2020 15:17:12 GMT -5
I got my RMC 1 but no dirac interface? Was this. It supposed to be included
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Post by jhurst on Jul 3, 2020 15:21:12 GMT -5
Sorry, was this supposed to be included
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Post by doc1963 on Jul 3, 2020 15:21:27 GMT -5
I got my RMC 1 but no dirac interface? Was this. It supposed to be included Not yet... The interface box has only been sent to beta testers at this point. The rest of us will get ours (along with the software) once the beta has been cleared. |
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Post by jhurst on Jul 3, 2020 15:30:57 GMT -5
Thank you
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Post by marcl on Jul 3, 2020 17:02:50 GMT -5
Until/If we get Bass Control, it's better to use a miniDSP connected to one sub output, and do distance and gain in the miniDSP to align the subs. Then let Dirac see it as one sub with respect to the other speakers and do its thing overall ... distance, impulse, EQ. I wouldnt be investing in a mini dsp at this time marcl ;even though the minidsp does a similar amalgamation as say audyssey for multiple subs . Hesitant to say this following sounds like a fait accompli ; or just wishful thinking ; maybe Keith can add further info ? emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1022634/threadYes, Keith said what I said ... Dirac calibrates each channel individually. That includes the subs. But you don't want to EQ subs individually. You want to EQ the response of all subs playing at once. The reason for multiple subs is to help cancel room modes and give a more uniform bass response across listening positions. You have to measure them together and EQ the combined response. I've done it (with XMC-1, Dirac 1.0) with subs calibrated separately, together with a Y cable, and with a miniDSP. The latter is most accurate. |
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Post by megash0n on Jul 3, 2020 18:18:53 GMT -5
I wouldnt be investing in a mini dsp at this time marcl ;even though the minidsp does a similar amalgamation as say audyssey for multiple subs . Hesitant to say this following sounds like a fait accompli ; or just wishful thinking ; maybe Keith can add further info ? emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1022634/threadYes, Keith said what I said ... Dirac calibrates each channel individually. That includes the subs. But you don't want to EQ subs individually. You want to EQ the response of all subs playing at once. The reason for multiple subs is to help cancel room modes and give a more uniform bass response across listening positions. You have to measure them together and EQ the combined response. I've done it (with XMC-1, Dirac 1.0) with subs calibrated separately, together with a Y cable, and with a miniDSP. The latter is most accurate. Without DBC, I'm not sure how else you would do this. Secondly, without a speaker expansion module, most will not be able to use DBC due to losing speakers. Would be nice to have a legitimate expectation on when both of these things will be available on the RMC. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 3, 2020 18:24:55 GMT -5
Yes, Keith said what I said ... Dirac calibrates each channel individually. That includes the subs. But you don't want to EQ subs individually. You want to EQ the response of all subs playing at once. The reason for multiple subs is to help cancel room modes and give a more uniform bass response across listening positions. You have to measure them together and EQ the combined response. I've done it (with XMC-1, Dirac 1.0) with subs calibrated separately, together with a Y cable, and with a miniDSP. The latter is most accurate. Without DBC, I'm not sure how else you would do this. Secondly, without a speaker expansion module, most will not be able to use DBC due to losing speakers. Would be nice to have a legitimate expectation on when both of these things will be available on the RMC. You can have three subwoofers without an expansion module, how can that not benefit from DBC? |
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Post by megash0n on Jul 3, 2020 18:58:36 GMT -5
Without DBC, I'm not sure how else you would do this. Secondly, without a speaker expansion module, most will not be able to use DBC due to losing speakers. Would be nice to have a legitimate expectation on when both of these things will be available on the RMC. You can have three subwoofers without an expansion module, how can that not benefit from DBC? A lot of people are running more speakers. I'm not. I don't have the ability to run rears in my bedroom. But some.. Some are using all the speakers today and cannot use 3 or 4 subs in addition to their other speakers. I guess what I'm saying is both options are of equal importance and would be stellar to reveal in short order. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jul 3, 2020 19:33:28 GMT -5
You can have three subwoofers without an expansion module, how can that not benefit from DBC? A lot of people are running more speakers. I'm not. I don't have the ability to run rears in music bedroom. But some.. Some are using all the speakers today and cannot use 3 or 4 subs in addition to their other speakers. I guess what I'm saying is both options are of equal importance and would be stellar to reveal in short order. So yes, if you want 9.x.6 where x > 1 then you currently need Y cables, as marcl had mentioned that’s probably the best way to handle it. When it might be different is a topic for another thread. |
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Post by bblv on Jul 3, 2020 20:54:09 GMT -5
A lot of people are running more speakers. I'm not. I don't have the ability to run rears in music bedroom. But some.. Some are using all the speakers today and cannot use 3 or 4 subs in addition to their other speakers. I guess what I'm saying is both options are of equal importance and would be stellar to reveal in short order. So yes, if you want 9.x.6 where x > 1 then you currently need Y cables, as marcl had mentioned that’s probably the best way to handle it. When it might be different is a topic for another thread. I'm running "11.2.6" with y cables on my pairs of side surrounds and subs. As soon as the expansion modules are released I plan to add additional subs to get to a discrete 11.4.6. I still can't believe that we're halfway through 2020 without Dirac and expansion modules.... |
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Post by alexreusch on Jul 4, 2020 3:49:56 GMT -5
Any feedback from the Beta program? How is it going? First feedback?
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Post by cwt on Jul 4, 2020 8:33:47 GMT -5
Yes, Keith said what I said ... Dirac calibrates each channel individually. That includes the subs. But you don't want to EQ subs individually. You want to EQ the response of all subs playing at once. The reason for multiple subs is to help cancel room modes and give a more uniform bass response across listening positions. You have to measure them together and EQ the combined response. I've done it (with XMC-1, Dirac 1.0) with subs calibrated separately, together with a Y cable, and with a miniDSP. The latter is most accurate. Yes marcl ; to elaborate I was referencing the likelihood of DBC incorporation making a minidsp mute [ 1 less box] . Anyway this post juxtaposing DBC with the emo pre pro's is convincing enough to me ..[ now dirac 2.0 is implemented the same among multiple platforms]  emotivalounge.proboards.com/post/1022648/thread |
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Post by kahodges1721 on Jul 4, 2020 10:16:36 GMT -5
Odd question. I built a set of 1299s with a 1099 center channel. Everything is wired perfectly with no crossed wires anywhere I’ve triple checked the crossover and wiring to each speaker (per diagram on board) I ran impulse response sweeps after each crossover point. First was at 50hz, then 500hz and then 4000hz. The impulse response in REW is backwards for the 1299s vs the rest of the speakers showing it is 180 out of phase. I can easily swap the wires internally to bring them in phase but it got me thinking. Without REW and a mic I would of never known this. When we load up Dirac 3 can Dirac account for this? I know it plays with phasing but I wasn’t sure if it could swap the phasing of a speaker. Tried to read into it but couldn’t find anything
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Post by marcl on Jul 4, 2020 10:30:51 GMT -5
Odd question. I built a set of 1299s with a 1099 center channel. Everything is wired perfectly with no crossed wires anywhere I’ve triple checked the crossover and wiring to each speaker (per diagram on board) I ran impulse response sweeps after each crossover point. First was at 50hz, then 500hz and then 4000hz. The impulse response in REW is backwards for the 1299s vs the rest of the speakers showing it is 180 out of phase. I can easily swap the wires internally to bring them in phase but it got me thinking. Without REW and a mic I would of never known this. When we load up Dirac 3 can Dirac account for this? I know it plays with phasing but I wasn’t sure if it could swap the phasing of a speaker. Tried to read into it but couldn’t find anything Dirac Full on the XMC-1 did correct phase. My center channel initial impulse response was opposite the other speakers and after calibration it matched. |
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Post by kahodges1721 on Jul 4, 2020 10:43:12 GMT -5
Odd question. I built a set of 1299s with a 1099 center channel. Everything is wired perfectly with no crossed wires anywhere I’ve triple checked the crossover and wiring to each speaker (per diagram on board) I ran impulse response sweeps after each crossover point. First was at 50hz, then 500hz and then 4000hz. The impulse response in REW is backwards for the 1299s vs the rest of the speakers showing it is 180 out of phase. I can easily swap the wires internally to bring them in phase but it got me thinking. Without REW and a mic I would of never known this. When we load up Dirac 3 can Dirac account for this? I know it plays with phasing but I wasn’t sure if it could swap the phasing of a speaker. Tried to read into it but couldn’t find anything Dirac Full on the XMC-1 did correct phase. My center channel initial impulse response was opposite the other speakers and after calibration it matched. Ok cool. I know it does phase control but didn’t know if it was limited or 180. I plan to swap the Wires anyways since I can swap them internally and it won’t play with my OCD but without knowing I was curious if Dirac could account for it. Thanks for the info |
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Post by 5channels on Jul 5, 2020 15:11:23 GMT -5
Gimme a "d" --> "D"
Gimme an "i" --> "I"
Gimme an "r" --> "R"
Gimme an "a" --> "A"
Gimme ac "c" --> "C"
What's it spell? --> "DIRAC" What's it spell? "DIRAC!!!"
When's it coming out? --> "crickets"
Fingers crossed that this week the crickets finally go home and we all get the announcement we have been longing for. "You're Dirac units are NOW SHIPPING!"
Cheers
J
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Post by steelman1991 on Jul 5, 2020 16:29:31 GMT -5
Gimme a "d" --> "D" Gimme an "i" --> "I" Gimme an "r" --> "R" Gimme an "a" --> "A" Gimme ac "c" --> "C" What's it spell? --> "DIRAC" What's it spell? "DIRAC!!!" When's it coming out? --> "crickets" Fingers crossed that this week the crickets finally go home and we all get the announcement we have been longing for. "You're Dirac units are NOW SHIPPING!" Cheers J In Emo land it spells CRICKETS 😂😂 |
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Post by roadrebel on Jul 5, 2020 21:25:12 GMT -5
I got my RMC 1 but no dirac interface? Was this. It supposed to be included Not yet... The interface box has only been sent to beta testers at this point. The rest of us will get ours (along with the software) once the beta has been cleared. And then the REAL Beta testing will begin... |
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Post by markc on Jul 6, 2020 1:52:39 GMT -5
I got my RMC 1 but no dirac interface? Was this. It supposed to be included Yes it is supposed to be included. As of several months ago. (Pre COVID) Didn't you get yours? Neither did we, however. |
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Post by tngiloy on Jul 6, 2020 9:19:19 GMT -5
And then the REAL Beta testing will begin... It would be nice if Emo did something with the Dirac release that Oppo did years ago (I think it was for the 103/105 release) where they did an 'early adopters' program. It followed the beta testing and allowed for further testing by owners to try in different systems with different components to find and identify glitches and make suggestions for other features before it was turned loose on the general public. Firmware updates were fairly frequent and EA testers were allowed to see if they fixed the problems w/o creating new ones. But..... I guess that's what we are going to be. We just won't be compensated in any way. I'd like to get my testing started soon. |
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