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Post by megash0n on Jun 16, 2020 9:09:50 GMT -5
I just read this at this link. Is this still true (or was it ever true) and could it be related to the issues some see with Neurlal:X? Interesting. I've mentioned this a few times and would love to know "how" Emotiva handles channel routing. I really like how MiniDSP handles this. In my opinion, everyone should be "virtualizing" their processors in code. All the channel outputs should be numbered and not named. Inside the code, we should be able to assign any channel to any output. From this, the code could understand what your channel layout is and apply the appropriate channel information to the correct channel output dynamically depending on the source codec and how that codec expects to play. Hopefully this makes sense.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 16, 2020 9:31:32 GMT -5
We have 18 votes on this. I'm sure there is a way to figure out how many people visit these forums, but does anyone have a clue? Secondly, I've heard different numbers, but approximately how many Gen 3 processors are out in the wild? What should we expect to see numbers-wise on participating in this poll? To me, the number we have already is deserving of a look into this, and an official statement by Emotiva, but what's that magic number that will get their attention? My memory isn't perfect, but am I wrong by stating this issue hasn't been acknowledged?
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Post by novisnick on Jun 16, 2020 10:19:08 GMT -5
We have 18 votes on this. I'm sure there is a way to figure out how many people visit these forums, but does anyone have a clue? Secondly, I've heard different numbers, but approximately how many Gen 3 processors are out in the wild? What should we expect to see numbers-wise on participating in this poll? To me, the number we have already is deserving of a look into this, and an official statement by Emotiva, but what's that magic number that will get their attention? My memory isn't perfect, but am I wrong by stating this issue hasn't been acknowledged? Just because there is no official OR unofficial mention of this issue, or a direct response to you does not mean Emotiva hasn’t taken notice. Imagine if you will, being attacked by a colony of Red Ants! Which one to you flick off first? They all chew the same amount of meat off your body! (spoken in my best Rod Sterling voice) photo up load
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Post by megash0n on Jun 16, 2020 10:33:15 GMT -5
We have 18 votes on this. I'm sure there is a way to figure out how many people visit these forums, but does anyone have a clue? Secondly, I've heard different numbers, but approximately how many Gen 3 processors are out in the wild? What should we expect to see numbers-wise on participating in this poll? To me, the number we have already is deserving of a look into this, and an official statement by Emotiva, but what's that magic number that will get their attention? My memory isn't perfect, but am I wrong by stating this issue hasn't been acknowledged? Just because there is no official OR unofficial mention of this issue, or a direct response to you does not mean Emotiva hasn’t taken notice. Yeah...I was just curious if I was or was not remembering correctly. I actually just spoke with them on the phone about something else, but asked about the DTS thing. I think it is something that they agree needs to be looked at more closely. Obviously, there are more important things to accomplish first. So, let's just keep working through this until they can get to it. This thread, and the poll, is probably pretty helpful for when they have the bandwidth to move onto something else. I really wasn't trying to make a big deal about it. I just wanted to know if anyone had received any communication that they understood there was something that needed attention or not.
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Post by novisnick on Jun 16, 2020 11:14:41 GMT -5
Just because there is no official OR unofficial mention of this issue, or a direct response to you does not mean Emotiva hasn’t taken notice. Yeah...I was just curious if I was or was not remembering correctly. I actually just spoke with them on the phone about something else, but asked about the DTS thing. I think it is something that they agree needs to be looked at more closely. Obviously, there are more important things to accomplish first. So, let's just keep working through this until they can get to it. This thread, and the poll, is probably pretty helpful for when they have the bandwidth to move onto something else. I really wasn't trying to make a big deal about it. I just wanted to know if anyone had received any communication that they understood there was something that needed attention or not. Yep, it’s SOP. When they get to it and need our feedback they will reach out and ask, otherwise they’ll keep their collective heads down and keep working.
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Post by klinemj on Jun 16, 2020 12:44:51 GMT -5
We have 18 votes on this. I'm sure there is a way to figure out how many people visit these forums, but does anyone have a clue? Secondly, I've heard different numbers, but approximately how many Gen 3 processors are out in the wild? What should we expect to see numbers-wise on participating in this poll? To me, the number we have already is deserving of a look into this, and an official statement by Emotiva, but what's that magic number that will get their attention? My memory isn't perfect, but am I wrong by stating this issue hasn't been acknowledged? So - I was thinking about this also, as well as looking at the results and counts. The count of responses is lower than I would expect, but I think it's largely because of the thread title. People who don't have the issue are not likely to come into this thread and vote. So, at the end, I'll tag some folks who have not been here to try to get them to vote. Also, looking at the results to date, the thing that stands out to me most is that people with heights enabled (either on their own or with tops) seem to be more likely to have issues than those who don't. Check out the #'s...7 of 12 with issues have heights enabled. 0 of 7 who don't have an issue don't have heights enabled. The base size is small, esp. for those not having issues (n=7), but that really makes me go "hmmmm..."That said - I've not seen geebo LCSeminole stiehl11 Lsc and many others on the forum who have an XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1 vote yet... Maybe others could tag others they can think of who have not yet voted to prompt them to vote and build the database. Mark
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Post by klinemj on Jun 16, 2020 12:54:38 GMT -5
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Post by Thunderduck on Jun 16, 2020 13:11:46 GMT -5
I must admit I did vote already. One of those that voted No. Tops Enabled. I did not comment at that time because to be honest I am not that familiar with how different sound parameters work (can't even think of the proper term). However, I will say that I have not noticed any real difference either in quality or volume when playing movies with Dolby or DTS audio encodes. Some I do have to kick up the volume somewhat, but I thought that might be just the way it was on the disc or the quality of the streaming device like the Apple TV or Roku. Since my vote could in some way skew the results, I would not be against having it removed if it would make for more clearer results. My x.x.4 speakers are set at L/R Top Front and L/R Top Rear. Regards EDIT: What geebo said (see below post)
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Post by geebo on Jun 16, 2020 13:15:11 GMT -5
I lose some volume with Neural:X but do NOT get muddy sound or loss of dynamics.
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Post by cawgijoe on Jun 16, 2020 13:18:20 GMT -5
I have a 5.1 system. So I didn't vote.
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Post by stiehl11 on Jun 16, 2020 13:26:56 GMT -5
We have 18 votes on this. I'm sure there is a way to figure out how many people visit these forums, but does anyone have a clue? Secondly, I've heard different numbers, but approximately how many Gen 3 processors are out in the wild? What should we expect to see numbers-wise on participating in this poll? To me, the number we have already is deserving of a look into this, and an official statement by Emotiva, but what's that magic number that will get their attention? My memory isn't perfect, but am I wrong by stating this issue hasn't been acknowledged? So - I was thinking about this also, as well as looking at the results and counts. The count of responses is lower than I would expect, but I think it's largely because of the thread title. People who don't have the issue are not likely to come into this thread and vote. So, at the end, I'll tag some folks who have not been here to try to get them to vote. Also, looking at the results to date, the thing that stands out to me most is that people with heights enabled (either on their own or with tops) seem to be more likely to have issues than those who don't. Check out the #'s...7 of 12 with issues have heights enabled. 0 of 7 who don't have an issue don't have heights enabled. The base size is small, esp. for those not having issues (n=7), but that really makes me go "hmmmm..."That said - I've not seen geebo LCSeminole stiehl11 Lsc and many others on the forum who have an XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1 vote yet... Maybe others could tag others they can think of who have not yet voted to prompt them to vote and build the database. Mark I heard last year around this time that the number of RMC-bassed processors "in the wild" was about 5,000. Assuming that was a correct number and that they've at least doubled that since since then (especially with the XMC-1 trade-in program) I would think 10,000 or more are likely out there. Not sure how many concerns are statistically significant to warrant moving this issue to the top of the list of things to fix. As for me, I haven't noticed the issue.
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Post by klinemj on Jun 16, 2020 13:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by Lsc on Jun 16, 2020 13:45:23 GMT -5
We have 18 votes on this. I'm sure there is a way to figure out how many people visit these forums, but does anyone have a clue? Secondly, I've heard different numbers, but approximately how many Gen 3 processors are out in the wild? What should we expect to see numbers-wise on participating in this poll? To me, the number we have already is deserving of a look into this, and an official statement by Emotiva, but what's that magic number that will get their attention? My memory isn't perfect, but am I wrong by stating this issue hasn't been acknowledged? So - I was thinking about this also, as well as looking at the results and counts. The count of responses is lower than I would expect, but I think it's largely because of the thread title. People who don't have the issue are not likely to come into this thread and vote. So, at the end, I'll tag some folks who have not been here to try to get them to vote. Also, looking at the results to date, the thing that stands out to me most is that people with heights enabled (either on their own or with tops) seem to be more likely to have issues than those who don't. Check out the #'s...7 of 12 with issues have heights enabled. 0 of 7 who don't have an issue don't have heights enabled. The base size is small, esp. for those not having issues (n=7), but that really makes me go "hmmmm..."That said - I've not seen geebo LCSeminole stiehl11 Lsc and many others on the forum who have an XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1 vote yet... Maybe others could tag others they can think of who have not yet voted to prompt them to vote and build the database. Mark I already voted. No. Tops and wides used. I think Neural X is sounding better but I’m not that keen on using it. I change the mode to “surround” and enjoy what I feel is better quality sound that also sounds more natural.
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Post by frenchyfranky on Jun 16, 2020 14:09:04 GMT -5
Don't have Atmos speakers installed yet.
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Post by PaulBe on Jun 16, 2020 14:11:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the tag. It's hard for me to vote on this issue. I don't experience major technical problems using either the Dolby or DTS upmixers with the RMC-1L. However, I don't perceive the differences I do hear in use coming from problems with the RMC. I don't like how either upmixer sounds compared to no upmixing. Both upmixers create sound perspectives that sound unnatural to me, So, I prefer the original multi-channel mixes, without synthesizing additional immersion channels. When I occasionally want to upmix a 2 channel recording, I play back in All Stereo. All Stereo still sounds natural and coherent. I save immersion channel use for recordings that are built with it. They sound good in Dolby Atmos or DTS:X My immersion channels are front and back heights, and mid tops. Setup is 7.2.6
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Post by foggy1956 on Jun 16, 2020 15:11:48 GMT -5
Volume seems lower than Dolby but not by 6db, no other symptoms
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Post by megash0n on Jun 16, 2020 16:00:09 GMT -5
We have 18 votes on this. I'm sure there is a way to figure out how many people visit these forums, but does anyone have a clue? Secondly, I've heard different numbers, but approximately how many Gen 3 processors are out in the wild? What should we expect to see numbers-wise on participating in this poll? To me, the number we have already is deserving of a look into this, and an official statement by Emotiva, but what's that magic number that will get their attention? My memory isn't perfect, but am I wrong by stating this issue hasn't been acknowledged? So - I was thinking about this also, as well as looking at the results and counts. The count of responses is lower than I would expect, but I think it's largely because of the thread title. People who don't have the issue are not likely to come into this thread and vote. So, at the end, I'll tag some folks who have not been here to try to get them to vote. Also, looking at the results to date, the thing that stands out to me most is that people with heights enabled (either on their own or with tops) seem to be more likely to have issues than those who don't. Check out the #'s...7 of 12 with issues have heights enabled. 0 of 7 who don't have an issue don't have heights enabled. The base size is small, esp. for those not having issues (n=7), but that really makes me go "hmmmm..."That said - I've not seen geebo LCSeminole stiehl11 Lsc and many others on the forum who have an XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1 vote yet... Maybe others could tag others they can think of who have not yet voted to prompt them to vote and build the database. Mark Thank you very much Mark!
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Post by megash0n on Jun 16, 2020 16:02:21 GMT -5
Thanks again good sir! I can't take credit for the poll though. ttocs is the man for that. I'm just trying to help drive the bus
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Post by megash0n on Jun 16, 2020 16:06:49 GMT -5
So - I was thinking about this also, as well as looking at the results and counts. The count of responses is lower than I would expect, but I think it's largely because of the thread title. People who don't have the issue are not likely to come into this thread and vote. So, at the end, I'll tag some folks who have not been here to try to get them to vote. Also, looking at the results to date, the thing that stands out to me most is that people with heights enabled (either on their own or with tops) seem to be more likely to have issues than those who don't. Check out the #'s...7 of 12 with issues have heights enabled. 0 of 7 who don't have an issue don't have heights enabled. The base size is small, esp. for those not having issues (n=7), but that really makes me go "hmmmm..."That said - I've not seen geebo LCSeminole stiehl11 Lsc and many others on the forum who have an XMC-2/RMC-1L/RMC-1 vote yet... Maybe others could tag others they can think of who have not yet voted to prompt them to vote and build the database. Mark I heard last year around this time that the number of RMC-bassed processors "in the wild" was about 5,000. Assuming that was a correct number and that they've at least doubled that since since then (especially with the XMC-1 trade-in program) I would think 10,000 or more are likely out there. Not sure how many concerns are statistically significant to warrant moving this issue to the top of the list of things to fix. As for me, I haven't noticed the issue. Wow.. That is a lot more than I expected. I was thinking around 3000 based off some information I made assumptions on at one time.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 16, 2020 16:09:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the tag. It's hard for me to vote on this issue. I don't experience major technical problems using either the Dolby or DTS upmixers with the RMC-1L. However, I don't perceive the differences I do hear in use coming from problems with the RMC. I don't like how either upmixer sounds compared to no upmixing. Both upmixers create sound perspectives that sound unnatural to me, So, I prefer the original multi-channel mixes, without synthesizing additional immersion channels. When I occasionally want to upmix a 2 channel recording, I play back in All Stereo. All Stereo still sounds natural and coherent. I save immersion channel use for recordings that are built with it. They sound good in Dolby Atmos or DTS:X My immersion channels are front and back heights, and mid tops. Setup is 7.2.6 I'd be curious as to what you think after changing all heights to Tops. It made a significant difference in what I hear. I still think the native DTS codec sounds like it is a hair "warmer", but I wouldn't say better now.
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