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Post by markc on Jun 21, 2020 6:33:59 GMT -5
Although I’m still not convinced that those ”not having an issue” actually don’t have.. I’m more believing the Megash0n line of some just don’t care enough to hear the differences. I have done a complete factory reset and reloaded my settings. All my testing has been with blu-ray or 4k with a DTS-HD MA 5.1 tracks. This have all been with HDMI input with bitstream until now. It’s not that I don’t hear the issue on some scenes, but rather that it’s easier to detect on some scenes. But low quality sound can make it harder to detect, like the movie The Others. Switching between Surround and Neural:X should have zero difference in a normal scene without heavy action. If the volume changes, even so slightly there’s something wrong. Batman Begins and Dark Knight movies are good dynamic movies to try. Eric Clapton Slowhand At 70 is great to test with. This is also a 96khz track which don’t upmix to heights/top speakers at all. Just tested blu-ray 1917 DTS-HD MA 5.1 with my SPL meter.. Maybe I will have to retract some of my previous comments. Seems I have the same lower volume on both Surround and Neural:X with tops. Also got no sound from the tops when sending decoded DTS with tops. Still a pretty much 6dB lower sound when Neural:X is used. Chapter 2, the first part walk, about 25 seconds. dBC, slow, Lo with Max volume on. Volume set to -25 on RMC-1 7.2.4 with tops: Bitstream + Surround : 79-80 dB, lower than PCM and compared to heights Bitstream + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, sound from all speakers. PCM 5.1 + Surround: 85-86 dB, much higher volume PCM 5.1 + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, NO sound from the tops, sound from surround back (tried several times) 7.2.4 with heights: Bitstream + Surround: 85-86 dB Bitstream + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, sound from all speakers PCM 5.1 + Surround: 85-86 dB PCM 5.1 + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, sound from all speakers 7.2: Bitstream + Surround: 85-86 dB Bitstream + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, sound from surround back PCM 5.1 + Surround: 85-86 dB PCM 5,1 + Neural:X: 79-80 dB,sound from surround back Now switched back to tops. Tried the scene again.. ONLY sound from side surrounds and bass??? This in Surround mode with PCM output. Changing to Neural:X and I get sound back. Tried Surround again and it plays fine.. These kind of things makes you distrust the RMC and what it outputs. Still the same lower sound from Surround compared to Neural:X with bitstream. Still NO sound from tops with Neural:X on PCM input. One thing I want to caution with getting some inconsistent results: With 100% certainty, the Neural:X algorithm is not always active (and doing it's evil!) even when the front panel display says it is! I especially found that flipping from Surround to Direct to Auto to Neural:X, (like you have to to test it!) can cause this to occur and produce different results each time you do this because of this effect! You think you are listening to Neural:X without volume decrease, but in fact the Processor is actually stuck on "Surround" (or maybe Direct?) mode despite the front panel display saying Neural:X How do I know this and how could you confirm it? Listen to the two rear surround speakers while listening to a 5.1 source. If they are silent then Neural:X is not active. It is not always easy to get Neural:X to re-engage when this has occurred, I found that rebooting the XMC-2 was the best way to reset this. Even toggling the surround mode a few times and back to Neural X, or switching inputs and back again doesn't always sort it. When Neural:X becomes active again, you will certainly know it! (By the sound change obviously, plus the same sound sample will this time upmix to the rear surrounds) Another quirk of the XMC-2 to try and confound tracking down this problem! I am reasonably sure that in situations when you think Neural:X does NOT have a volume decrease or effect on the sound, it is because it isn't even active! (And the rear surrounds will be silent as there is no 5.1 to 7.1 up-mixing going on!) |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 21, 2020 6:40:41 GMT -5
At this point, if I were Emotiva - this issue would be a very low priority. But, I'm not Emotiva. If I were Emotiva and I knew that, with my supposedly flagship processors which tout themselves based on audio quality, it was absolutely true and 100% confirmed that simple expansion of 5.1 to 7.1 DTS sources (let alone the problems when trying to use ceiling speakers!) could not be reliably achieved without affecting the front and centre channels then I would make it a top priority. I wouldn't want people defecting to the Marantz 8805 which effortlessly achieves this simple feat, as have all Processors from all manufactures since the year 2000! I don't disagree that for those who hear issues, it's very real. And...iF....big if...it was absolutely true and 100% confirmed, I bet they would work it. But, it appears real for a very small number of users and (statistically speaking) equally non-true for other users. So... Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 21, 2020 6:45:48 GMT -5
Believe what you want, but...14 people say they have one of the polled issues. While it's clearly an important issue for you and a few others, it's just not common given the # of units likely out there. If it were, there would be a lot more than 14 people saying "yes". You know...like the "please wait" issues and switching issues, etc...lots of people clearly had those. It got resolved by Emotiva. At this point, if I were Emotiva - this issue would be a very low priority. But, I'm not Emotiva. My suggestion of things to try remains. I don't see anyone jumping to try those things. Mark I thought we already decided it wasn't a setup issue through all our testing. But sure, who has a 5.1.4 setup, with NO DTS issues, that would like to zip up the USB contents and email them to me? We'll assume that my TV and source won't matter for this test. I don't know that there is anything wrong by using Tops. It would take isolating each speaker and to compare that to what the speaker should be getting in order to determine if that is correct. Maybe we just have a bad batch of processors with faulty hardware. Or, maybe only 100 people view this site enough to even see this thread. If so, given that half probably won't even realize the issue for a number of reasons, I'd say at that point... It isn't rare. As you say, you like data. What is our actual sample size here? One thing is for sure, some of us are having real issues that create ongoing doubt in every aspect of this system. I do agree you guys went through setup comparisons, however...I can't begin to count the number of times on this forum and others I've seen others struggling with an issue. People jump in to help, debates go around what's happening to cause it, and then the OP suddenly say..."oh, I just noticed, the fitzenheimer parameters were set wrong..." The setups in these things have a lot of options. This "swapping USB" sticks should not be hard to do, and you guys have exhausted most of everything else short of sources. So, seems worth a shot...thanks for humoring me. Mark |
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Post by ttocs on Jun 21, 2020 8:32:27 GMT -5
^^^^^^
I looked in the manual and all over the Menu and I can't find the "fitzenheimer parameter". Is that only on the RMC-1?
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Post by megash0n on Jun 21, 2020 8:45:31 GMT -5
If I were Emotiva and I knew that, with my supposedly flagship processors which tout themselves based on audio quality, it was absolutely true and 100% confirmed that simple expansion of 5.1 to 7.1 DTS sources (let alone the problems when trying to use ceiling speakers!) could not be reliably achieved without affecting the front and centre channels then I would make it a top priority. I wouldn't want people defecting to the Marantz 8805 which effortlessly achieves this simple feat, as have all Processors from all manufactures since the year 2000! I don't disagree that for those who hear issues, it's very real. And...iF....big if...it was absolutely true and 100% confirmed, I bet they would work it. But, it appears real for a very small number of users and (statistically speaking) equally non-true for other users. So... Mark Mark, how many different people read this site with any sort of regularity? Let's say once every other day. Some percentage of that number is your sample size here. |
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Post by megash0n on Jun 21, 2020 8:49:25 GMT -5
I thought we already decided it wasn't a setup issue through all our testing. But sure, who has a 5.1.4 setup, with NO DTS issues, that would like to zip up the USB contents and email them to me? We'll assume that my TV and source won't matter for this test. I don't know that there is anything wrong by using Tops. It would take isolating each speaker and to compare that to what the speaker should be getting in order to determine if that is correct. Maybe we just have a bad batch of processors with faulty hardware. Or, maybe only 100 people view this site enough to even see this thread. If so, given that half probably won't even realize the issue for a number of reasons, I'd say at that point... It isn't rare. As you say, you like data. What is our actual sample size here? One thing is for sure, some of us are having real issues that create ongoing doubt in every aspect of this system. I do agree you guys went through setup comparisons, however...I can't begin to count the number of times on this forum and others I've seen others struggling with an issue. People jump in to help, debates go around what's happening to cause it, and then the OP suddenly say..."oh, I just noticed, the fitzenheimer parameters were set wrong..." The setups in these things have a lot of options. This "swapping USB" sticks should not be hard to do, and you guys have exhausted most of everything else short of sources. So, seems worth a shot...thanks for humoring me. Mark Like I said, I'm happy to test someone's config. Zip up the contents of your USB and PM me for my email. Actually, I think my email is listed in my profile. I don't think it is a bad idea. I'm just not sure what setting would cause these symptoms we all experience except for Height configuration. Mine sounds awful with anything but Tops. |
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Post by megash0n on Jun 21, 2020 8:51:14 GMT -5
^^^^^^ I looked in the manual and all over the Menu and I can't find the "fitzenheimer parameter". Is that only on the RMC-1? 😂😂😂😂😂 It's in the German manual. |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 21, 2020 10:56:50 GMT -5
I don't disagree that for those who hear issues, it's very real. And...iF....big if...it was absolutely true and 100% confirmed, I bet they would work it. But, it appears real for a very small number of users and (statistically speaking) equally non-true for other users. So... Mark Mark, how many different people read this site with any sort of regularity? Let's say once every other day. Some percentage of that number is your sample size here. If I peruse a lot of other polls, including ones related to the new processors, this is one of the lowest turnouts I've seen. This one -->CLICK HERE<--- got 205 responses. And, yes...I do understand sample size as f(available population). It's a basic in polling. So, the relative low turnout for this one vs. other polls on this site does indeed tell me something. If there is indeed something wrong with the processor, I hope Emotiva can find it. Re. who to reach out to for the test I suggested...there were a number of others who responded here and said they don't have an issue. One of them could be the person you should test with. Mark |
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Post by megash0n on Jun 21, 2020 11:19:07 GMT -5
Mark, how many different people read this site with any sort of regularity? Let's say once every other day. Some percentage of that number is your sample size here. If I peruse a lot of other polls, including ones related to the new processors, this is one of the lowest turnouts I've seen. This one -->CLICK HERE<--- got 205 responses. And, yes...I do understand sample size as f(available population). It's a basic in polling. So, the relative low turnout for this one vs. other polls on this site does indeed tell me something. If there is indeed something wrong with the processor, I hope Emotiva can find it. Re. who to reach out to for the test I suggested...there were a number of others who responded here and said they don't have an issue. One of them could be the person you should test with. Mark I'm seeing roughly 650 different people online over the past week. I think if you make a ton of different assumptions like number of those who own Gen 3 units, number of those who only use 2 channel, or pay no attention to up mixing whatsoever, the pocket of people that use Tops already thus not experiencing any perceived issues whether they are there or not, the number of people that hear such a drastic increase of SQ from a previous unit that they assume it must be correct, the number of people that are so frustrated they have given up, and then the people who just frankly haven't even tested having any number of opinions about the matter... I think the poll results are sufficient to warrant attention even though the numbers pale in comparison to the poll you linked. We have to be mindful that the two subjects are going to draw different numbers for obvious reasons. I'm somewhat agreeing with you. I just think there are circumstances that make this different than a more generic poll. |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 21, 2020 12:01:29 GMT -5
My first go at all of the music modes via USB. Music is not as dynamic in DTS vs Surround. Large drop off in db’s as well.
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Post by megash0n on Jun 21, 2020 12:51:08 GMT -5
My first go at all of the music modes via USB. Music is not as dynamic in DTS vs Surround. Large drop off in db’s as well. Let me know if you need a full listing of gear. RMC-1 7.2.4 So, you are getting this over USB as well, huh? And, you have rears, so... That's something worth noting. Thank you for your testing! |
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 21, 2020 14:00:56 GMT -5
One point and one question My theory. When the output is quieter this is a fail where the 6dB drop is the missing sound that should be coming out other speakers. Either it is being sent to non existent speakers or thrown away. This will give the muddy sound on certain scenes because quite simply audio energy is completely missing!! The fact that Neural X is not always quieter is evidence of this. Second, where do Atmos speakers fit into this poll or discussion? Sorry but Neural:X is always lower. See my testing. Should always be compared to Surround mode. The problem is that when I use tops I don’t even have reliable output through Surround (straight) mode. Same lower volume even without Neural:X. The second problem is that we don’t know if all or which speakers are active which should be active. The third issue, which I called a friend over to control with, is the muddiness. Btw he has a Denon 8500. I didn’t tell him about any muddy sound, just that I had an issue with Neural:X and asked his opinion. Again today got the same result with tops and heights. Seems a constant issue, behaves the same through restarts and setting changes. We watched the same sequence in ”1917”. With the tops on Surround and Neural:X sounded the same. Then I changed the speakers to heights. Started the scene with Surround and I noticed the higher volume and clearer sound instantly. He said ”hmm”  Then switched over to Neural:X.. Now he said ”Wow! Switch back again.” We switched back and forth. I asked if he noticed the volume drop.. Yes of course he said.. We then switched between them but increased the Neural:X volume by 6 dB.. Now it was much harder. I told him it’s almost the same now.. He interrupted me and said no there’s some kind of muddiness over the sound. Kept on explaining the difference he heared. The bass being more unclear and less defined, the voices sounded more unclear and less airiness over the whole sound.. Wow, now it’s not just me I said  |
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 21, 2020 14:13:32 GMT -5
Although I’m still not convinced that those ”not having an issue” actually don’t have.. I’m more believing the Megash0n line of some just don’t care enough to hear the differences. I have done a complete factory reset and reloaded my settings. All my testing has been with blu-ray or 4k with a DTS-HD MA 5.1 tracks. This have all been with HDMI input with bitstream until now. It’s not that I don’t hear the issue on some scenes, but rather that it’s easier to detect on some scenes. But low quality sound can make it harder to detect, like the movie The Others. Switching between Surround and Neural:X should have zero difference in a normal scene without heavy action. If the volume changes, even so slightly there’s something wrong. Batman Begins and Dark Knight movies are good dynamic movies to try. Eric Clapton Slowhand At 70 is great to test with. This is also a 96khz track which don’t upmix to heights/top speakers at all. Just tested blu-ray 1917 DTS-HD MA 5.1 with my SPL meter.. Maybe I will have to retract some of my previous comments. Seems I have the same lower volume on both Surround and Neural:X with tops. Also got no sound from the tops when sending decoded DTS with tops. Still a pretty much 6dB lower sound when Neural:X is used. Chapter 2, the first part walk, about 25 seconds. dBC, slow, Lo with Max volume on. Volume set to -25 on RMC-1 7.2.4 with tops: Bitstream + Surround : 79-80 dB, lower than PCM and compared to heights Bitstream + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, sound from all speakers. PCM 5.1 + Surround: 85-86 dB, much higher volume PCM 5.1 + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, NO sound from the tops, sound from surround back (tried several times) 7.2.4 with heights: Bitstream + Surround: 85-86 dB Bitstream + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, sound from all speakers PCM 5.1 + Surround: 85-86 dB PCM 5.1 + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, sound from all speakers 7.2: Bitstream + Surround: 85-86 dB Bitstream + Neural:X: 79-80 dB, sound from surround back PCM 5.1 + Surround: 85-86 dB PCM 5,1 + Neural:X: 79-80 dB,sound from surround back Now switched back to tops. Tried the scene again.. ONLY sound from side surrounds and bass??? This in Surround mode with PCM output. Changing to Neural:X and I get sound back. Tried Surround again and it plays fine.. These kind of things makes you distrust the RMC and what it outputs. Still the same lower sound from Surround compared to Neural:X with bitstream. Still NO sound from tops with Neural:X on PCM input. One thing I want to caution with getting some inconsistent results: With 100% certainty, the Neural:X algorithm is not always active (and doing it's evil!) even when the front panel display says it is! I especially found that flipping from Surround to Direct to Auto to Neural:X, (like you have to to test it!) can cause this to occur and produce different results each time you do this because of this effect! You think you are listening to Neural:X without volume decrease, but in fact the Processor is actually stuck on "Surround" (or maybe Direct?) mode despite the front panel display saying Neural:X How do I know this and how could you confirm it? Listen to the two rear surround speakers while listening to a 5.1 source. If they are silent then Neural:X is not active. It is not always easy to get Neural:X to re-engage when this has occurred, I found that rebooting the XMC-2 was the best way to reset this. Even toggling the surround mode a few times and back to Neural X, or switching inputs and back again doesn't always sort it. When Neural:X becomes active again, you will certainly know it! (By the sound change obviously, plus the same sound sample will this time upmix to the rear surrounds) Another quirk of the XMC-2 to try and confound tracking down this problem! I am reasonably sure that in situations when you think Neural:X does NOT have a volume decrease or effect on the sound, it is because it isn't even active! (And the rear surrounds will be silent as there is no 5.1 to 7.1 up-mixing going on!) Sorry, but surround back was active on all my Neural:X playbacks as I stated. Went to each speakers and put my ears to them, just because I don’t trust what I’m getting from RMC-1. On PCM 5.1 input (decoded DTS-HD MA 5.1) from my blu-ray player I didn’t get sound from from my tops although surround back did play. Proving some kind of upmix was done. With Surround mode no surround back or height/top speaker were ever active. |
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Post by megash0n on Jun 21, 2020 14:25:24 GMT -5
One point and one question My theory. When the output is quieter this is a fail where the 6dB drop is the missing sound that should be coming out other speakers. Either it is being sent to non existent speakers or thrown away. This will give the muddy sound on certain scenes because quite simply audio energy is completely missing!! The fact that Neural X is not always quieter is evidence of this. Second, where do Atmos speakers fit into this poll or discussion? Sorry but Neural:X is always lower. See my testing. Should always be compared to Surround mode. The problem is that when I use tops I don’t even have reliable output through Surround (straight) mode. Same lower volume even without Neural:X. The second problem is that we don’t know if all or which speakers are active which should be active. The third issue, which I called a friend over to control with, is the muddiness. Btw he has a Denon 8500. I didn’t tell him about any muddy sound, just that I had an issue with Neural:X and asked his opinion. Again today got the same result with tops and heights. Seems a constant issue, behaves the same through restarts and setting changes. We watched the same sequence in ”1917”. With the tops on Surround and Neural:X sounded the same. Then I changed the speakers to heights. Started the scene with Surround and I noticed the higher volume and clearer sound instantly. He said ”hmm” Then switched over to Neural:X.. Now he said ”Wow! Switch back again.” We switched back and forth. I asked if he noticed the volume drop.. Yes of course he said.. We then switched between them but increased the Neural:X volume by 6 dB.. Now it was much harder. I told him it’s almost the same now.. He interrupted me and said no there’s some kind of muddiness over the sound. Kept on explaining the difference he heared. The bass being more unclear and less defined, the voices sounded more unclear and less airiness over the whole sound.. Wow, now it’s not just me I said I think of it similar as if the bit rate was drastically cut with sound coming from incorrect speakers at times which causes the muddiness. What you describe is basically the same thing I notice. Unfortunately, I didn't know about changing to Surround or Tops prior to watching that movie. I was pretty disappointed in the sound outside of the first grenade going off. I'm sure watching it again, with Tops, it would sound much better. |
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 21, 2020 14:51:40 GMT -5
Although I’m still not convinced that those ”not having an issue” actually don’t have.. I’m more believing the Megash0n line of some just don’t care enough to hear the differences. Believe what you want, but...14 people say they have one of the polled issues. While it's clearly an important issue for you and a few others, it's just not common given the # of units likely out there. If it were, there would be a lot more than 14 people saying "yes". You know...like the "please wait" issues and switching issues, etc...lots of people clearly had those. It got resolved by Emotiva. At this point, if I were Emotiva - this issue would be a very low priority. But, I'm not Emotiva. My suggestion of things to try remains. I don't see anyone jumping to try those things. Mark But less than 10% are active on these forums?! I can produce atleast 10 persons from my nearest friends that wouldn’t have noticed anything but maybe the 6 dB volume drop which is pretty huge. Says nothing really! As I have said before, I don’t use upmixing myself. My interest is that I like to have a working product. Upmixing is a fundamental feature of a multi channel processor these days. Should simply work as expected. After my testing I’m not certain even Surround mode works as expected with top speakers when playing a DTS track. Which sucks even more. I would be very surprised if this issue is only happening to a few of us. If so, Emotiva have a HUGE task with fixing the code. As if it isn’t big already.. |
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Post by megash0n on Jun 21, 2020 14:57:24 GMT -5
Believe what you want, but...14 people say they have one of the polled issues. While it's clearly an important issue for you and a few others, it's just not common given the # of units likely out there. If it were, there would be a lot more than 14 people saying "yes". You know...like the "please wait" issues and switching issues, etc...lots of people clearly had those. It got resolved by Emotiva. At this point, if I were Emotiva - this issue would be a very low priority. But, I'm not Emotiva. My suggestion of things to try remains. I don't see anyone jumping to try those things. Mark But less than 10% are active on these forums?! I can produce atleast 10 persons from my nearest friends that wouldn’t have noticed anything but maybe the 6 dB volume drop which is pretty huge. Says nothing really! As I have said before, I don’t use upmixing myself. My interest is that I like to have a working product. Upmixing is a fundamental feature of a multi channel processor these days. Should simply work as expected. After my testing I’m not certain even Surround mode works as expected with top speakers when playing a DTS track. Which sucks even more. I would be very surprised if this issue is only happening to a few of us. If so, Emotiva have a HUGE task with fixing the code. As if it isn’t big already.. Are you suggesting that the Heights should be playing in Surround mode. Just for clarity sake. |
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Post by hsamwel on Jun 21, 2020 15:10:38 GMT -5
Sorry but Neural:X is always lower. See my testing. Should always be compared to Surround mode. The problem is that when I use tops I don’t even have reliable output through Surround (straight) mode. Same lower volume even without Neural:X. The second problem is that we don’t know if all or which speakers are active which should be active. The third issue, which I called a friend over to control with, is the muddiness. Btw he has a Denon 8500. I didn’t tell him about any muddy sound, just that I had an issue with Neural:X and asked his opinion. Again today got the same result with tops and heights. Seems a constant issue, behaves the same through restarts and setting changes. We watched the same sequence in ”1917”. With the tops on Surround and Neural:X sounded the same. Then I changed the speakers to heights. Started the scene with Surround and I noticed the higher volume and clearer sound instantly. He said ”hmm” Then switched over to Neural:X.. Now he said ”Wow! Switch back again.” We switched back and forth. I asked if he noticed the volume drop.. Yes of course he said.. We then switched between them but increased the Neural:X volume by 6 dB.. Now it was much harder. I told him it’s almost the same now.. He interrupted me and said no there’s some kind of muddiness over the sound. Kept on explaining the difference he heared. The bass being more unclear and less defined, the voices sounded more unclear and less airiness over the whole sound.. Wow, now it’s not just me I said I think of it similar as if the bit rate was drastically cut with sound coming from incorrect speakers at times which causes the muddiness. What you describe is basically the same thing I notice. Unfortunately, I didn't know about changing to Surround or Tops prior to watching that movie. I was pretty disappointed in the sound outside of the first grenade going off. I'm sure watching it again, with Tops, it would sound much better. Well, watching it with heights and Surround mode sure was a ”new” movie.. I always believed tops were correct because the volume was the same and sound the same quality wise. I would not use Neural:X until it’s been fixed. Decode in the player and upmix with Dolby Surround for now if you want/need to upmix. Use your SPL meter and check the volume. If Surround mode is playing correctly it should be 6 dB higher in volume. In my setup tops are not. |
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Post by novisnick on Jun 21, 2020 15:19:32 GMT -5
My first go at all of the music modes via USB. Music is not as dynamic in DTS vs Surround. Large drop off in db’s as well. Let me know if you need a full listing of gear. RMC-1 7.2.4 So, you are getting this over USB as well, huh? And, you have rears, so... That's something worth noting. Thank you for your testing! Sorry about taking so long. Just been busy, Thank God! Glad I can contribute. |
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Post by klinemj on Jun 21, 2020 15:29:59 GMT -5
But less than 10% are active on these forums?! I can produce atleast 10 persons from my nearest friends that wouldn’t have noticed anything but maybe the 6 dB volume drop which is pretty huge. Says nothing really! As I have said before, I don’t use upmixing myself. My interest is that I like to have a working product. Upmixing is a fundamental feature of a multi channel processor these days. Should simply work as expected. After my testing I’m not certain even Surround mode works as expected with top speakers when playing a DTS track. Which sucks even more. I would be very surprised if this issue is only happening to a few of us. If so, Emotiva have a HUGE task with fixing the code. As if it isn’t big already.. Don't get me wrong...if (BIG if) it's actually an Emotiva-based issue, I'd like to see it fixed also. That said - to your point of <10% are active...note my point in another post...most polls on the pre-pro's draw a LOT more votes...50, 100, 200+ with people having issues. With this poll, we're hung at 14 saying they have an issue. What does that tell you? Again - not saying you are not hearing something...just saying...it's rare that it's big enough that many others are noticing. I'm not sure how hard that is to understand. Folks can extrapolate all they want by saying "it's there, but others just aren't hearing it". But, that's kind of like a lot of other discussions on power cables, and the like at this point to me. Sorry if that offends folks, but...I just don't think the case has been proven yet there's an issue for Emotiva to try to fix. Also to be clear - the reason I am intervening here is to try to help drive data that could leave to a fix if one is needed. So far, that data is not coming forward. Mark |
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Post by steelman1991 on Jun 21, 2020 16:02:48 GMT -5
But less than 10% are active on these forums?! I can produce atleast 10 persons from my nearest friends that wouldn’t have noticed anything but maybe the 6 dB volume drop which is pretty huge. Says nothing really! As I have said before, I don’t use upmixing myself. My interest is that I like to have a working product. Upmixing is a fundamental feature of a multi channel processor these days. Should simply work as expected. After my testing I’m not certain even Surround mode works as expected with top speakers when playing a DTS track. Which sucks even more. I would be very surprised if this issue is only happening to a few of us. If so, Emotiva have a HUGE task with fixing the code. As if it isn’t big already.. Are you suggesting that the Heights should be playing in Surround mode. Just for clarity sake. They shouldn’t. Surround is native in and out No Upmixing. |
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