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Post by creimes on Jul 6, 2020 17:02:43 GMT -5
So I'm currently on the fence about my trade in if I do go ahead with it, currently I have the XMC-1 and the XMC-2 seems like the best option. Currently I run a Outlaw 7000X that powers my three T1's and two UAC 8.2 rears so while I am using XLR balanced connections they amp is not fully differential like the outputs of the XMC-2 LCR or all the outputs of the RMC-1L. Is there an actual advantage of getting the RMC-1L over the XMC-2, I see some have the RMC-1L and RMC-1 but not sure why, I see Tiffany connectors as an upgrade and of course the modules(when they get released) for the RMC-1 but am I missing anything ?? I do like the look of the RMC-1L more than the XMC-2 but I'm figuring the XMC-2 will cost me $1700 to $1800 Canadian but the RMC-1L will be in the vicinity of $2900 to $3000 Canadian. I don't think anyone here owns both but maybe there is someone who does, I had originally been on the pre-order for the XMC-1 back in what was it 2014 ?? but at the time I didn't have the funds so I did get it for a buddy here(Gave him my place in line) but I did end up getting a used XMC-1 a few years back for a great price so the trade in offer which is already very awesome is hard to pass up on I'm guessing the extra $1300 or so it will cost me is most likely not worth it but thought I would get someone's input here be it an owner of them or maybe even a staff member Cheers, Chad Also, given the rest of your gear which appear to give a tremendous bang for your buck, going with the XMC2 would continue that trend. I will admit the 7000X is a great amplifier for the $949 I paid new this past winter, I think Emotiva needs to come out with a amp that competes Chad
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Post by Lsc on Jul 6, 2020 17:19:34 GMT -5
Also, given the rest of your gear which appear to give a tremendous bang for your buck, going with the XMC2 would continue that trend. I will admit the 7000X is a great amplifier for the $949 I paid new this past winter, I think Emotiva needs to come out with a amp that competes Chad I agree wholeheartedly. As much as I wanted to buy Emotiva amps, I just donāt believe in a design where one of the factors is cheaper shipping costs. Unless Emotiva can produce amps like the Benchmark for less of course but otherwise I like the tried and true. Iāll be holding off on the amps for a while anyway as I have been staggered by my speaker and 3 channel amp purchase this year. So maybe when Iām ready, Emotiva will have reloaded. Iām glad we agree on the XMC2. A penny saved is a penny earned.
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 6, 2020 17:25:25 GMT -5
I have never used the controls on the front of my unit, all settings have been accomplished via my harmony remote. YMMV It was only yesterday, while packing up my XMC-1 to send to Emotiva for trade, that I realized the volume control could be pressed in. According to the manual, this is the mute/unmute control. That should tell you how often I use the front controls LOL
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Post by rbk123 on Jul 6, 2020 19:00:06 GMT -5
haha yeah right, the financial crisis is never over when you have a "so called" middle class income, I have sold a few items I didn't need so I have some of the funds that, plus in the past 4 days alone I have worked almost 30 hours of overtime which is double time(double hourly wage), so i figured I could afford to do the trade in, like I said it's hard to pass up when I paid $1000 US for my XMC-1 and I'm getting $2000 for it towards the new model with a nice new 5 year warranty, also many of us only paid $1499 for the XMC-1 new back in 2014 as many of us had 40% card I'm just glad you're in a position to actually buy. Your post on selling everything and keeping only 2 channel due to surmounting debt was pretty dire so it's good to see you aren't in that position any longer.
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Post by klinemj on Jul 6, 2020 19:12:23 GMT -5
creimesI went through the same debate and decided when I pull the trigger - it will be for an XMC-2. Here are my own reasons...YMMV: 1) I save enough to by some extra amps and speakers for ATMOS if I get an XMC-2 instead of either RMC. 2) I can't see any situation that would require me to need the RMC-1 expansion modules. 3) I'm mainly a 2-channel guy who likes good home theater, so the extra channels with the best possible DAC setup isn't a selling feature for me. 4) I'm technically legally blind (correctable but not good or consistent), so from my seated distance the dual screens are not even visible. I use the OSD to get to menus. 5) My short vision is awful also, so combined with #4 - I would never use the RMC-1L or RMC-1's fancy controller to get to the menu. A BIG OSD is the way for me. 6) I have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration for Mrs. Geebo, but the fancy gold thingies are not a priority for me. Having been present when she made her choice, I was happy for George. She's a delightful lady and always make good decisions for them. Mark
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Post by monkumonku on Jul 6, 2020 19:50:43 GMT -5
I have never used the controls on the front of my unit, all settings have been accomplished via my harmony remote. YMMV It was only yesterday, while packing up my XMC-1 to send to Emotiva for trade, that I realized the volume control could be pressed in. According to the manual, this is the mute/unmute control. That should tell you how often I use the front controls LOL I didn't even know that! I've had the XMC-1 since 2015. Can't take advantage of that feature because it is sitting in the box waiting for the upgrade UPS label to arrive.
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Post by creimes on Jul 6, 2020 21:34:07 GMT -5
creimesI went through the same debate and decided when I pull the trigger - it will be for an XMC-2. Here are my own reasons...YMMV: 1) I save enough to by some extra amps and speakers for ATMOS if I get an XMC-2 instead of either RMC. 2) I can't see any situation that would require me to need the RMC-1 expansion modules. 3) I'm mainly a 2-channel guy who likes good home theater, so the extra channels with the best possible DAC setup isn't a selling feature for me. 4) I'm technically legally blind (correctable but not good or consistent), so from my seated distance the dual screens are not even visible. I use the OSD to get to menus. 5) My short vision is awful also, so combined with #4 - I would never use the RMC-1L or RMC-1's fancy controller to get to the menu. A BIG OSD is the way for me. 6) I have nothing but the greatest respect and admiration for Mrs. Geebo, but the fancy gold thingies are not a priority for me. Having been present when she made her choice, I was happy for George. She's a delightful lady and always make good decisions for them. Mark I'll take your reasons and re-word them to mine 1) My room is too small for more speakers and my wife would kill me hahahaha 2) Neither would I 3) I'm 100% the same as you on this one 4) I still have great vision but won't be able to see my unit I mean processor 95% of the time 5) See #4 above 6) George sounds like a lucky lucky guy, my wife could give two poops about how good it sounds bahaha Cheers, Chad
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Post by thxultra on Jul 7, 2020 9:27:29 GMT -5
I went with the XMC-2. My reasons were for Stereo listening the DACs are still in mono mode just like the RMC-1l. To me the XMC-2 is where the bang for the buck is at you are getting a lot for your money. The nicer connectors on the RMC-1l , extra screen and better DAC configuration for the other channels to me doesn't justify a extra $1k. Have no regrets going with the XMC-2 it sounds amazing.
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Post by creimes on Jul 7, 2020 10:48:05 GMT -5
I know this is a hard question to answer as it may be biased due to no one actually having the XMC-1 and XMC-2 at the same time to do an A/B comparison but without the new gear effect on our brains I'm wondering if there is any improvement over the XMC-1 for 2ch use.
I already love my XMC-1 dearly for music playback, nothing i have owned has been able to match it, my ownership is or course limited but to my ears music in 2ch sounds exceptional.
Chad
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Post by foggy1956 on Jul 7, 2020 11:41:40 GMT -5
I know this is a hard question to answer as it may be biased due to no one actually having the XMC-1 and XMC-2 at the same time to do an A/B comparison but without the new gear effect on our brains I'm wondering if there is any improvement over the XMC-1 for 2ch use. I already love my XMC-1 dearly for music playback, nothing i have owned has been able to match it, my ownership is or course limited but to my ears music in 2ch sounds exceptional. Chad I believe the xmc-2 has improved 2 channel sound, but trusting my judgement is iffy at bestš
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Post by donh50 on Jul 7, 2020 13:28:41 GMT -5
For two-channel I'd stick with the XMC-1, especially if you are using Dirac Live, as I really doubt the difference is audible (at least in a blind test; the eyes and wallet allow us to imagine all sorts of things ). We really need a vaccine for upgradeitus.
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Post by Lsc on Jul 7, 2020 13:46:27 GMT -5
I know this is a hard question to answer as it may be biased due to no one actually having the XMC-1 and XMC-2 at the same time to do an A/B comparison but without the new gear effect on our brains I'm wondering if there is any improvement over the XMC-1 for 2ch use. I already love my XMC-1 dearly for music playback, nothing i have owned has been able to match it, my ownership is or course limited but to my ears music in 2ch sounds exceptional. Chad I think your decision would be a lot simpler if Dirac is already available on the XMC2. With respect to sound quality I can only go off of memory. Reference stereo sounds better with the XMC2. Also Dirac 3.0 is better than Dirac 1.0.
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Post by foggy1956 on Jul 7, 2020 13:52:00 GMT -5
I know this is a hard question to answer as it may be biased due to no one actually having the XMC-1 and XMC-2 at the same time to do an A/B comparison but without the new gear effect on our brains I'm wondering if there is any improvement over the XMC-1 for 2ch use. I already love my XMC-1 dearly for music playback, nothing i have owned has been able to match it, my ownership is or course limited but to my ears music in 2ch sounds exceptional. Chad I think your decision would be a lot simpler if Dirac is already available on the XMC2. With respect to sound quality I can only go off of memory. Reference stereo sounds better with the XMC2. Also Dirac 3.0 is better than Dirac 1.0. What difference does Dirac availability have? It isn't available on either model.
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Post by Lsc on Jul 7, 2020 15:13:25 GMT -5
I think your decision would be a lot simpler if Dirac is already available on the XMC2. With respect to sound quality I can only go off of memory. Reference stereo sounds better with the XMC2. Also Dirac 3.0 is better than Dirac 1.0. What difference does Dirac availability have? It isn't available on either model. I apologize. Iām running Dirac beta code on my XMC2. The following isnāt proprietary info as its a Dirac 3.0 feature: Dirac 3.0 (and the old 2.0) has a 9 point, 13 point and 27 point measurements which deliver different levels of room correction. I think Dirac 1.0 had 2 levels if memory serves me correctly. Also I didnāt have Dirac full with my old XMC1 so the custom curves make a big difference especially for bass response. Hopefully this will be available soon to everyone as itās quite good. Granted there will be some complaints with how sensitive Dirac is when taking measurements but once itās dialed in, itās pretty impressive.
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Post by megash0n on Jul 7, 2020 15:21:06 GMT -5
What difference does Dirac availability have? It isn't available on either model. I apologize. Iām running Dirac beta code on my XMC2. The following isnāt proprietary info as its a Dirac 3.0 feature: Dirac 3.0 (and the old 2.0) has a 9 point, 13 point and 27 point measurements which deliver different levels of room correction. I think Dirac 1.0 had 2 levels if memory serves me correctly. Also I didnāt have Dirac full with my old XMC1 so the custom curves make a big difference especially for bass response. Hopefully this will be available soon to everyone as itās quite good. Granted there will be some complaints with how sensitive Dirac is when taking measurements but once itās dialed in, itās pretty impressive. Can you comment on whether or not "up mix only" is available for the DBC stuff? I believe this is supposed to make some recommendations on crossover points, or provide a visual guess on what it would look like without implementing DBC.
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Post by creimes on Jul 7, 2020 15:39:37 GMT -5
I know this is a hard question to answer as it may be biased due to no one actually having the XMC-1 and XMC-2 at the same time to do an A/B comparison but without the new gear effect on our brains I'm wondering if there is any improvement over the XMC-1 for 2ch use. I already love my XMC-1 dearly for music playback, nothing i have owned has been able to match it, my ownership is or course limited but to my ears music in 2ch sounds exceptional. Chad I think your decision would be a lot simpler if Dirac is already available on the XMC2. With respect to sound quality I can only go off of memory. Reference stereo sounds better with the XMC2. Also Dirac 3.0 is better than Dirac 1.0. Lately I've been all about Reference Stereo mode with my music, I need to re-run Dirac as i made some setup changes but I have been lazy haha. Chad
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Post by Lsc on Jul 7, 2020 15:41:07 GMT -5
I apologize. Iām running Dirac beta code on my XMC2. The following isnāt proprietary info as its a Dirac 3.0 feature: Dirac 3.0 (and the old 2.0) has a 9 point, 13 point and 27 point measurements which deliver different levels of room correction. I think Dirac 1.0 had 2 levels if memory serves me correctly. Also I didnāt have Dirac full with my old XMC1 so the custom curves make a big difference especially for bass response. Hopefully this will be available soon to everyone as itās quite good. Granted there will be some complaints with how sensitive Dirac is when taking measurements but once itās dialed in, itās pretty impressive. Can you comment on whether or not "up mix only" is available for the DBC stuff? I believe this is supposed to make some recommendations on crossover points, or provide a visual guess on what it would look like without implementing DBC. We donāt have DBC as you know and there are no recommendations on crossover points. The measurements are taken on each speaker as a full range speaker or subwoofer. Dirac isnāt as automated as we would expect but the results are impressive. The measurements for my mains are not much help as it says I have bass response down to 25Hz in-room. I just used my ears and 60 or 70 Hz is a good crossover point for me. Dirac makes no recommendations. I donāt think they make recommendations for DBC either, the user selects a crossover point and Dirac builds the filters around that - I believe.
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Post by megash0n on Jul 7, 2020 16:39:15 GMT -5
Can you comment on whether or not "up mix only" is available for the DBC stuff? I believe this is supposed to make some recommendations on crossover points, or provide a visual guess on what it would look like without implementing DBC. We donāt have DBC as you know and there are no recommendations on crossover points. The measurements are taken on each speaker as a full range speaker or subwoofer. Dirac isnāt as automated as we would expect but the results are impressive. The measurements for my mains are not much help as it says I have bass response down to 25Hz in-room. I just used my ears and 60 or 70 Hz is a good crossover point for me. Dirac makes no recommendations. I donāt think they make recommendations for DBC either, the user selects a crossover point and Dirac builds the filters around that - I believe. Gotcha. From the videos I've watched, it seems like 3.0 is supposed to have these features. For applications that won't, or don't work yet, with DBC, the up mix only portion is supposed to understand "how" Dirac might implement bass control and allow you to see how a particular crossover might jive. It doesn't sound like all of Dirac 3.0 is going to be implemented day one. I'm glad to hear it works pretty well. I am more concerned with system integration than I am with eq'ing the channels individually, but I'm sure it will make a significant difference in mine as well.
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Post by Lsc on Jul 8, 2020 2:36:15 GMT -5
We donāt have DBC as you know and there are no recommendations on crossover points. The measurements are taken on each speaker as a full range speaker or subwoofer. Dirac isnāt as automated as we would expect but the results are impressive. The measurements for my mains are not much help as it says I have bass response down to 25Hz in-room. I just used my ears and 60 or 70 Hz is a good crossover point for me. Dirac makes no recommendations. I donāt think they make recommendations for DBC either, the user selects a crossover point and Dirac builds the filters around that - I believe. Gotcha. From the videos I've watched, it seems like 3.0 is supposed to have these features. For applications that won't, or don't work yet, with DBC, the up mix only portion is supposed to understand "how" Dirac might implement bass control and allow you to see how a particular crossover might jive. It doesn't sound like all of Dirac 3.0 is going to be implemented day one. I'm glad to hear it works pretty well. I am more concerned with system integration than I am with eq'ing the channels individually, but I'm sure it will make a significant difference in mine as well. Right. If you are familiar with āfeature flagsā in software, it sure seems like the Dirac bass control āfeatureā isnāt enabled for Emotiva. There is probably some sort of integration/certification process that needs to be completed beforehand. But like I said previously, Iām not going to part with $500 for DBC unless itās proven to be worth that and Iām not too sure it is.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 8, 2020 16:18:05 GMT -5
Have you considered ways to avoid the 13% tax, such as declaring the XMC-1 is being sent to Emotiva for āwarranty serviceā. Just ask Emotiva not to send an invoice with the return. Then when āitā comes back there shouldnāt be any tax. Alternatively have you considered taking a holiday around Memphis (catch up with Elvis), Nashville (Emotiva) and Lynchburg (Jack Daniels) an XMC fits nicely in a suit case with a few bottles of JD (yes, I have done a test pack).
Cheers Gary
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