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Post by JKCashin on Jul 8, 2020 16:23:27 GMT -5
Just to be clear the XMC2 is also fully differential on all channels. In the XMC2 only LCR has the DACs in mono mode vs the RMCs that have DACs in all channels set to mono mode. In your situation (and most others), Wait... what? I thought the XMC-2 was only full differential on L-C-R and LFE?
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Post by creimes on Jul 8, 2020 18:34:01 GMT -5
Have you considered ways to avoid the 13% tax, such as declaring the XMC-1 is being sent to Emotiva for “warranty service”. Just ask Emotiva not to send an invoice with the return. Then when “it” comes back there shouldn’t be any tax. Alternatively have you considered taking a holiday around Memphis (catch up with Elvis), Nashville (Emotiva) and Lynchburg (Jack Daniels) an XMC fits nicely in a suit case with a few bottles of JD (yes, I have done a test pack). Cheers Gary I know if I ship anything to the company on the US side of the border and hop over and pick it up, I need to have an invoice to even bring anything back into Canada and they charge me the 13% sales tax, which of course I cannot do at the moment as the borders are closed, my buddy that drives truck crosses but he actually ma be losing his job soon. When I do the trade in I will need to talk with Emotiva anyhow and ask if there are any shipping alternatives other than UPS which charges a percentage for a customs fee and not a flat rate, the last thing I purchased was a PT-100 about a month back and I got charged a $70 fee from UPS for the so called customs forms for a guy to look it over and allow it into Canada, I wouldn't want to know what $1500 or so would cost me, and the last time I used FedEx I was charged a flat $10 customs fee and USPS which comes to me Canada Post usually has no fees but I do pay tax. The Tax is pretty much impossible to get around, just like buying from the store here in Canada it needs to be paid, I'm not sure what or how Emotiva proceeds to ship the MXC-2's into Canada, maybe JKCashin can let me know when he receives his in Ontario, Canada Even if Emotiva says the shipping will be a bit more if they don't ship UPS I will gladly pay it too stay away from the downright criminal charges from UPS Chad
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 8, 2020 19:09:58 GMT -5
That's weird. My last two orders from Emotiva came via UPS, and I was charged a flat brokerage fee of $11.50 CAN.
I have found USPS to be fantastic for shipping from US to Canada. Not as fast as UPS/Fedex/DHL and the like, but much fairer handling of brokerage. I am nto sure what the insurance limit is for USPS though... Canada Post limits insured value to $1,000
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Post by creimes on Jul 8, 2020 19:19:40 GMT -5
That's weird. My last two orders from Emotiva came via UPS, and I was charged a flat brokerage fee of $11.50 CAN. I have found USPS to be fantastic for shipping from US to Canada. Not as fast as UPS/Fedex/DHL and the like, but much fairer handling of brokerage. I am nto sure what the insurance limit is for USPS though... Canada Post limits insured value to $1,000 So I was just checking the Emotiva site and I see the XMC-1 to XMC-2 upgrade is available again, yet I hadn't received an email and I just put that information in a few days ago again, and I think being in Canada we need to call them ? but it is past regular business hours, I guess I will try in the morning and hopefully I can still get in on it Yeah the value of the PT-100 was like $412 and I had to pay $115 and that was $70 in brokerage fees and $52 in tax, after I called and complained they dropped the fee to $35 so I still paid like $80 with that and the taxes, but I was told on the phone when I called them they charge by a percentage, which makes no sense, whether it was $2000 or $200 it doesn't cost more to sign of on the brokerage form. If you don't mind PM me what you get charged Chad
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 8, 2020 19:29:25 GMT -5
When I get the XMC-2 back, I will PM you. Shipping the XMC-1 out was expensive! FedEx wanted something like $306... UPS was half that, but I found a friend who has a UPS commercial account and he shipped it for something like $70, and that's insured for $3,500 Canadian.
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Post by creimes on Jul 8, 2020 19:41:58 GMT -5
When I get the XMC-2 back, I will PM you. Shipping the XMC-1 out was expensive! FedEx wanted something like $306... UPS was half that, but I found a friend who has a UPS commercial account and he shipped it for something like $70, and that's insured for $3,500 Canadian. So I'm guessing we can't pay Emotiva and get a label from them to save on shipping, I know if you order on the site they send you a label and charge you the $50 flat rate for anyone in the US, I'll have to call them in the morning, did you call or just add it to the cart on the Emotiva page ?
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 8, 2020 20:55:42 GMT -5
Wait, so that $50 is for the shipping to them? Huh.... well I should not have had to pay for that! I will check with them!
I ordered it online, and then dealt with them based on the emails they sent.
Jamie
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Post by creimes on Jul 8, 2020 21:00:32 GMT -5
Wait, so that $50 is for the shipping to them? Huh.... well I should not have had to pay for that! I will check with them! I ordered it online, and then dealt with them based on the emails they sent. Jamie Yeah my buddy here is still trucking so he took his XMC-1 today with him into the US and the XMC-2 will be shipping to the border company, but it could be an issue if it ships to the border and he loses his job as we can't get across like truck drivers can for import and export. I wonder if I order it online right now and then call them and see if they can do a label through them so I can save on return shipping and then minus that $50 off whatever it will cost ? we all have hopes and dreams right Chad
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 9, 2020 2:21:53 GMT -5
Have you considered ways to avoid the 13% tax, such as declaring the XMC-1 is being sent to Emotiva for “warranty service”. Just ask Emotiva not to send an invoice with the return. Then when “it” comes back there shouldn’t be any tax. Alternatively have you considered taking a holiday around Memphis (catch up with Elvis), Nashville (Emotiva) and Lynchburg (Jack Daniels) an XMC fits nicely in a suit case with a few bottles of JD (yes, I have done a test pack). I know if I ship anything to the company on the US side of the border and hop over and pick it up, I need to have an invoice to even bring anything back into Canada and they charge me the 13% sales tax, which of course I cannot do at the moment as the borders are closed, my buddy that drives truck crosses but he actually ma be losing his job soon. When I do the trade in I will need to talk with Emotiva anyhow and ask if there are any shipping alternatives other than UPS which charges a percentage for a customs fee and not a flat rate, the last thing I purchased was a PT-100 about a month back and I got charged a $70 fee from UPS for the so called customs forms for a guy to look it over and allow it into Canada, I wouldn't want to know what $1500 or so would cost me, and the last time I used FedEx I was charged a flat $10 customs fee and USPS which comes to me Canada Post usually has no fees but I do pay tax. The Tax is pretty much impossible to get around, just like buying from the store here in Canada it needs to be paid, I'm not sure what or how Emotiva proceeds to ship the MXC-2's into Canada, maybe JKCashin can let me know when he receives his in Ontario, Canada Even if Emotiva says the shipping will be a bit more if they don't ship UPS I will gladly pay it too stay away from the downright criminal charges from UPS Chad I'm sorry I'm confused Chad, if you,say, send your XMC-1 to Emotiva for warranty work then you have to pay the full tax on it original purchase price when it comes back? Cheers Gary
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Post by creimes on Jul 9, 2020 8:28:28 GMT -5
I know if I ship anything to the company on the US side of the border and hop over and pick it up, I need to have an invoice to even bring anything back into Canada and they charge me the 13% sales tax, which of course I cannot do at the moment as the borders are closed, my buddy that drives truck crosses but he actually ma be losing his job soon. When I do the trade in I will need to talk with Emotiva anyhow and ask if there are any shipping alternatives other than UPS which charges a percentage for a customs fee and not a flat rate, the last thing I purchased was a PT-100 about a month back and I got charged a $70 fee from UPS for the so called customs forms for a guy to look it over and allow it into Canada, I wouldn't want to know what $1500 or so would cost me, and the last time I used FedEx I was charged a flat $10 customs fee and USPS which comes to me Canada Post usually has no fees but I do pay tax. The Tax is pretty much impossible to get around, just like buying from the store here in Canada it needs to be paid, I'm not sure what or how Emotiva proceeds to ship the MXC-2's into Canada, maybe JKCashin can let me know when he receives his in Ontario, Canada Even if Emotiva says the shipping will be a bit more if they don't ship UPS I will gladly pay it too stay away from the downright criminal charges from UPS Chad I'm sorry I'm confused Chad, if you,say, send your XMC-1 to Emotiva for warranty work then you have to pay the full tax on it original purchase price when it comes back? Cheers Gary I'm not sure how it will work, I'll cal Emotiva today, because a new XMC-2 would come back across the border with a value from Emotiva, with the current exchange rate it looks like the XMC-2 would cost me about $1450 so I would usually have to pay 13% on that amount plus whatever brokerage fees UPS would charge which last time I was informed a few weeks back it goes by a percentage up to a certain amount. Maybe they can do it a certain way where it looks like a trade in like it actually is but I'm still paying a bit so who knows. Chad
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Post by creimes on Jul 9, 2020 9:55:10 GMT -5
Wait, so that $50 is for the shipping to them? Huh.... well I should not have had to pay for that! I will check with them! I ordered it online, and then dealt with them based on the emails they sent. Jamie Hey Jamie, Just spoke with them and the $50 is the shipping charge for the XMC-2, only the customers in the US get a label included to ship their XMC-1 back, being in Canada it's up to us to pay our way for the XMC-1, was told I can't pay them and have a label made up for me to at least get discounted shipping so looks like I will have to source the cheapest way with $2000 US coverage, I'm a little worried about this haha, I don't have a business account to use for saving on shipping. Also what did you write on the customs form, warranty or trade in, because it's not really a sale. Chad
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Post by visiter555 on Jul 13, 2020 13:02:52 GMT -5
I had asked Cathy about using USPS, versus UPS based on their brutal service here in Manitoba. She said that they have lots of complaints about USPS though I have never had a single issue with USPS at my office for large shipments and as other in Canada are aware they charge a tenth of what UPS charges. Possibly Emotiva has a deal with UPS as their preffered shipper, but they are one of the worst options up in Canada when shipping cross border. That's weird. My last two orders from Emotiva came via UPS, and I was charged a flat brokerage fee of $11.50 CAN. I have found USPS to be fantastic for shipping from US to Canada. Not as fast as UPS/Fedex/DHL and the like, but much fairer handling of brokerage. I am nto sure what the insurance limit is for USPS though... Canada Post limits insured value to $1,000
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Post by visiter555 on Jul 13, 2020 13:10:59 GMT -5
Canada Customs/CBSC normally considers returning for warranty only for 30 days after originally importing to Canada, after that they consider it at retail or some arbitrary price. That is specifically if you "carry" it over the border. If it is shipped Customs takes it at invoice price plus exchange and you need to make sure the shipper marks it made in USA and puts the amount you actually paid for it, otherwise the fees and taxes can be on the MSRP as they do look them up online depending on how busy they are at Customs. hence USPS to Canada Post is the best for fees! It's like saying you bought groceries when crossing the border...soft drinks, potato chips, licorice, etc are NOT groceries and therefor are dutiable and taxable. Every time I cross the border I learn a new stupid rule of Customs...lol I know if I ship anything to the company on the US side of the border and hop over and pick it up, I need to have an invoice to even bring anything back into Canada and they charge me the 13% sales tax, which of course I cannot do at the moment as the borders are closed, my buddy that drives truck crosses but he actually ma be losing his job soon. When I do the trade in I will need to talk with Emotiva anyhow and ask if there are any shipping alternatives other than UPS which charges a percentage for a customs fee and not a flat rate, the last thing I purchased was a PT-100 about a month back and I got charged a $70 fee from UPS for the so called customs forms for a guy to look it over and allow it into Canada, I wouldn't want to know what $1500 or so would cost me, and the last time I used FedEx I was charged a flat $10 customs fee and USPS which comes to me Canada Post usually has no fees but I do pay tax. The Tax is pretty much impossible to get around, just like buying from the store here in Canada it needs to be paid, I'm not sure what or how Emotiva proceeds to ship the MXC-2's into Canada, maybe JKCashin can let me know when he receives his in Ontario, Canada Even if Emotiva says the shipping will be a bit more if they don't ship UPS I will gladly pay it too stay away from the downright criminal charges from UPS Chad I'm sorry I'm confused Chad, if you,say, send your XMC-1 to Emotiva for warranty work then you have to pay the full tax on it original purchase price when it comes back? Cheers Gary
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Post by donh50 on Jul 13, 2020 13:11:41 GMT -5
Interesting comments on shipping... Historically USPS has been best in terms of gentleness in package handling, and worst in time to deliver. At home, UPS has always worked well for me, and provides the best service in terms of handling signatures and placement of packages (e.g. on the front porch). FedEx has been the worst, with signatures sometimes a pain to deal with, and they tend to place packages leaning against the garage door both in the weather as well as difficult to see when I am driving in. Knock on wood, I have not destroyed one yet, but came close as the packages fall into the garage when I open the door on the way down the drive and lie on the floor on the passenger side ripe for roll-over. I have friends around town who flip UPS and FedEx so a lot depends upon your driver. For international, USPS and DHL are typically what we use at work.
I am curious if the RPi is shipping with the XMC-2 now? I am still holding out for Dirac Live, plus just had a big tax bill, so trying to decide if it is worth it to upgrade my XMC-1 since it is not in my main system ATM. Still like the idea of having it around and can move it into the family room system so will probably get one, especially with the trade-in deal.
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Post by Gary Cook on Jul 13, 2020 16:53:02 GMT -5
Canada Customs/CBSC normally considers returning for warranty only for 30 days after originally importing to Canada, after that they consider it at retail or some arbitrary price. That is specifically if you "carry" it over the border. If it is shipped Customs takes it at invoice price plus exchange and you need to make sure the shipper marks it made in USA and puts the amount you actually paid for it, otherwise the fees and taxes can be on the MSRP as they do look them up online depending on how busy they are at Customs. hence USPS to Canada Post is the best for fees! It's like saying you bought groceries when crossing the border...soft drinks, potato chips, licorice, etc are NOT groceries and therefor are dutiable and taxable. Every time I cross the border I learn a new stupid rule of Customs...lol I'm sorry I'm confused Chad, if you, say, send your XMC-1 to Emotiva for warranty work then you have to pay the full tax on it original purchase price when it comes back? Let me make sure I have got this right, Canadian Customs assume that warranties, all warranties, every single one, only lasts for 30 days? Even if you have a warranty certificate that says 3 years? There is no way that that's actually legal, if anyone challenged it they would win, easily. Secondly there is an invoice with it that says $0, because it's a warranty return. So now they have to argue that they can set an arbitrary price and ignore a valid commercial invoice? Again no way that's actually legal and would be successfully challenged. We (in Australia) have had several Customs crack downs over the years and they all fail, because the customs agents challenge them on behalf of their clients. Think of a car company that has thousands of warranty parts crossing the border daily, do you think they pay duty on every single one? No chance, their customs agents would be all over it. They will have an agreed process for warranty parts and they sure as hell won't be paying duty twice, once on the original faulty part and once on the replacement part. Cheers Gary
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 13, 2020 17:44:22 GMT -5
Hey Jamie, Just spoke with them and the $50 is the shipping charge for the XMC-2, only the customers in the US get a label included to ship their XMC-1 back, being in Canada it's up to us to pay our way for the XMC-1, was told I can't pay them and have a label made up for me to at least get discounted shipping so looks like I will have to source the cheapest way with $2000 US coverage, I'm a little worried about this haha, I don't have a business account to use for saving on shipping. Also what did you write on the customs form, warranty or trade in, because it's not really a sale. Chad I marked "warranty". See if you can find a friend who does lots of shipping to the US... that's what I did and it saved me lots
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Post by creimes on Jul 13, 2020 17:46:27 GMT -5
Hey Jamie, Just spoke with them and the $50 is the shipping charge for the XMC-2, only the customers in the US get a label included to ship their XMC-1 back, being in Canada it's up to us to pay our way for the XMC-1, was told I can't pay them and have a label made up for me to at least get discounted shipping so looks like I will have to source the cheapest way with $2000 US coverage, I'm a little worried about this haha, I don't have a business account to use for saving on shipping. Also what did you write on the customs form, warranty or trade in, because it's not really a sale. Chad I marked "warranty". See if you can find a friend who does lots of shipping to the US... that's what I did and it saved me lots My buddy is bringing my XMC-1 into the US tomorrow for me and shipping it from Border Shipping Services company on the US side with a provided label from Emotiva, of course I will leave to box open in case the US border agents want to look inside it, he will have to tape it up when dropping it off. Chad
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Post by JKCashin on Jul 13, 2020 19:09:03 GMT -5
Make sure your buddy has documentation indicating he is not billing you for this. WIthout it he can be charged with exporting goods without a licence, and failure to disclose a commercial shipping transaction.
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Post by creimes on Jul 13, 2020 20:13:30 GMT -5
Make sure your buddy has documentation indicating he is not billing you for this. WIthout it he can be charged with exporting goods without a licence, and failure to disclose a commercial shipping transaction. He did the same for his last week and didn't have any issues, the return label I printed up says "Return Service" on it as well
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Post by thxultra on Jul 14, 2020 8:54:24 GMT -5
Just to be clear the XMC2 is also fully differential on all channels. In the XMC2 only LCR has the DACs in mono mode vs the RMCs that have DACs in all channels set to mono mode. In your situation (and most others), Wait... what? I thought the XMC-2 was only full differential on L-C-R and LFE? All channels are fully differential. Only L-C-R have the DACs running in mono mode which has a better s/n ratio. Rest of the channels have the same DAC but running in stereo mode.
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