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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 14:37:27 GMT -5
So, I thought it was just me, but when I watch HDR content, it's so dim and the colors are so washed out, it's making me second guess if I should have even bought an HDR TV... and a search on YouTube for "HDR colors washed out" (or similar) or "HDR dim" shows I am not the only one... I even have a YouTube playlist on this: www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL47fSXvvff_Guw2hyPGl-FO5IpgHvUD8FProblem is, if I turn HDR off, then some services, like Amazon Prime Video and Disney Plus will no longer give me ATMOS.... Sigh. So, am I the onlyone here who is having this problem? My TV is Samsung Q60T, so HDR, HDR10+ but no Dolby Vision, but I have seen videos on the latter and it's no better. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Aug 14, 2020 15:11:56 GMT -5
I don't believe that TV is bright enough to accurately display HDR content.
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Post by geebo on Aug 14, 2020 15:14:12 GMT -5
Not my experience at all. HDR is a bigger improvement than 4k. Are you sure there isn't a setting on the TV you're missing? Like Deep Color or something like that. On many TV's it's a per input setting.
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 14, 2020 15:17:13 GMT -5
youtu.be/7rMovlvGGrg?t=12 Try this video. It is for a 2016 Samsung and yours is a 2020 model, so I don't know if things have changed.
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Post by markc on Aug 14, 2020 15:20:20 GMT -5
The issue is the tone mapping of those HDR videos. The dim colours is due to a problem in the signal chain rather than the capability of the TV.
If an HDR source is played through a signal chain without HDR (i.e. only 24 bit colour) then the colours appear washed out UNLESS you use something like JRiver with MAdVR to tone map on the fly and convert all the HDR loveliness to fit within an SDR signal without signal loss
My guess is you are using your Mac Mini or PS3 to play the Youtube playlist?
I'm not even sure that Youtube apps on a TV can transmit HDR
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 14, 2020 15:33:13 GMT -5
The issue is the tone mapping of those HDR videos. The dim colours is due to a problem in the signal chain rather than the capability of the TV. If an HDR source is played through a signal chain without HDR (i.e. only 24 bit colour) then the colours appear washed out UNLESS you use something like JRiver with MAdVR to tone map on the fly and convert all the HDR loveliness to fit within an SDR signal without signal loss My guess is you are using your Mac Mini or PS3 to play the Youtube playlist? I'm not even sure that Youtube apps on a TV can transmit HDR Tone mapping is for SDR televisions to make them look better with HDR signals. The OP has an HDR capable tv. |
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 15:42:37 GMT -5
I don't believe that TV is bright enough to accurately display HDR content. TV is plenty bright... trust me! Non HDR content looks awesome. As soon as you enable HDR, the colors are washed out, and overall the picture is very dim. If you look at the videos I have in my playlist you will see this is a common observation. |
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 15:43:51 GMT -5
Not my experience at all. HDR is a bigger improvement than 4k. Are you sure there isn't a setting on the TV you're missing? Like Deep Color or something like that. On many TV's it's a per input setting. Nope. When HDR is enabled, color becomes a little washed out and picture becomes very dim overall. |
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 15:44:29 GMT -5
youtu.be/7rMovlvGGrg?t=12 Try this video. It is for a 2016 Samsung and yours is a 2020 model, so I don't know if things have changed. That tells you how to enable HDR mode for gaming. I already have HDR mode enabled, and I am not gaming, I am watching movies. |
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Post by geebo on Aug 14, 2020 15:45:16 GMT -5
Have you tried an HDR disc by any chance?
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 15:46:07 GMT -5
The issue is the tone mapping of those HDR videos. The dim colours is due to a problem in the signal chain rather than the capability of the TV. If an HDR source is played through a signal chain without HDR (i.e. only 24 bit colour) then the colours appear washed out UNLESS you use something like JRiver with MAdVR to tone map on the fly and convert all the HDR loveliness to fit within an SDR signal without signal loss My guess is you are using your Mac Mini or PS3 to play the Youtube playlist? I'm not even sure that Youtube apps on a TV can transmit HDR Nvidia Shield 2019 with Netflix, Amazon Prime Video, Disney Plus. The YouTube videos I posted were not meant to show HDR, but to show what others think of HDR... they mimic my findings. |
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Post by megash0n on Aug 14, 2020 15:47:51 GMT -5
So, I thought it was just me, but when I watch HDR content, it's so dim and the colors are so washed out, it's making me second guess if I should have even bought an HDR TV... and a search on YouTube for "HDR colors washed out" (or similar) or "HDR dim" shows I am not the only one... I even have a YouTube playlist on this: www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL47fSXvvff_Guw2hyPGl-FO5IpgHvUD8FProblem is, if I turn HDR off, then some services, like Amazon Prime Video and Disney Plus will no longer give me ATMOS.... Sigh. So, am I the onlyone here who is having this problem? My TV is Samsung Q60T, so HDR, HDR10+ but no Dolby Vision, but I have seen videos on the latter and it's no better. I don't have this issue at all. Source? Edit. Sorry, I see others have asked this now. |
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 15:54:41 GMT -5
Have you tried an HDR disc by any chance? DING DING! So... this is the clue, thanks. I tried "Ford vs. Ferrari" on my Sony UBP-X800, and it's showing HDR (see below) and the picture is AWESOME! OK this is as someone else suggested something in the chain that's messed up.   Also, going back to the Shield, only the content is off. As soon as I do something to display menus on the TV, or the Shield, the colors of the menu are vibrant and dynamic. And the picture has been calibrated (by me) to have proper brightness, contrast, and white balance. So the issue seems to be the source. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Aug 14, 2020 15:59:55 GMT -5
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 16:21:35 GMT -5
For all my searching I had not found that article. Setting Contrast Enhancer to 1 (0 = 0ff, then there is 1, or 2) seems to have done the trick. I usually turn off all "enhancers" to leav the picture true to what the source intended... but this seems to be a necessary setting if you want to actually see the contant. Night and day difference! Thanks! |
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 16:35:05 GMT -5
mgbpuff thanks also because with my TV the settings are in two "banks"... an SDR one, and an HDR one. I didn't know that. And you have to play an HDR signal to get the TV to go into HDR mode in order to set picture settings, so NONE of my calibration I did in SDR were carried over. Now that I have done the colibrations under HDR I am much happier
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Post by ttocs on Aug 14, 2020 17:42:43 GMT -5
mgbpuff thanks also because with my TV the settings are in two "banks"... an SDR one, and an HDR one. I didn't know that. And you have to play an HDR signal to get the TV to go into HDR mode in order to set picture settings, so NONE of my calibration I did in SDR were carried over. Now that I have done the colibrations under HDR I am much happier And are you using HDMI-4? The manual is a bit confusing, but it looks like HDMI-4 is the one with the most bandwidth. Also, is Input Signal Plus set to On? |
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 23:15:42 GMT -5
Yup... you have to have Signal Plus on to get HDR at all.
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Post by JKCashin on Aug 14, 2020 23:21:31 GMT -5
and it turns out you had to have a 4.4.4 signal in order to set the Black Level... So I will try that tomorrow
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Post by Gary Cook on Aug 15, 2020 6:59:53 GMT -5
Not enough nits. If the TV doesn’t have at least 1000 nits then it has to turn down the “average” brightness so the “bright” bits are brighter (than the rest of the scene).
Cheers
Gary
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