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Post by rbk123 on Sept 10, 2020 8:14:39 GMT -5
Weird. I replaced my Rotel RMB-1095 amp with PA-1's (no regrets). But that Rotel model started in 2000 and eventually got replaced by the RMB-1585 which is still made today and is basically the same amp. 20 years and still going and the PA-1s lasted 2? I would imagine Rotel has more than a few products that they no longer make. Conversely Emo has been making the XPA-2 and 5 for 12+ years and they're still made today and basically the same amp as well. Emo does seem to churn on products more than others, but then I don't follow the others' product lines as closely to know when they come out with something and discontinue it to really say for sure. Btw, they're probably getting close to a Gen 4 refresh on that line so something to keep an eye out for. |
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Post by DavidR on Sept 10, 2020 11:14:05 GMT -5
Weird. I replaced my Rotel RMB-1095 amp with PA-1's (no regrets). But that Rotel model started in 2000 and eventually got replaced by the RMB-1585 which is still made today and is basically the same amp. 20 years and still going and the PA-1s lasted 2? Emotiva's product strategy is probably based on sales and profit. Perhaps an upgraded model will be revealed. They could/should be more transparent about these things IMO. |
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Post by stiehl11 on Sept 10, 2020 11:26:57 GMT -5
Weird. I replaced my Rotel RMB-1095 amp with PA-1's (no regrets). But that Rotel model started in 2000 and eventually got replaced by the RMB-1585 which is still made today and is basically the same amp. 20 years and still going and the PA-1s lasted 2? Emotiva's product strategy is probably based on sales and profit. Perhaps an upgraded model will be revealed. They could/should be more transparent about these things IMO. They've been more transparent in the past. But, when they miss their dates they get tons of hate. So, now they very rarely comment on a new product unless it's on the water. |
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Post by DavidR on Sept 10, 2020 12:33:24 GMT -5
Emotiva's product strategy is probably based on sales and profit. Perhaps an upgraded model will be revealed. They could/should be more transparent about these things IMO. They've been more transparent in the past. But, when they miss their dates they get tons of hate. So, now they very rarely comment on a new product unless it's on the water. I agree but meanwhile we all post our opinions based on nothing. |
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Post by leonski on Sept 10, 2020 16:40:49 GMT -5
Weird. I replaced my Rotel RMB-1095 amp with PA-1's (no regrets). But that Rotel model started in 2000 and eventually got replaced by the RMB-1585 which is still made today and is basically the same amp. 20 years and still going and the PA-1s lasted 2? To be fair you need to go back thru who used the ASC modules from B&O. And for how long. |
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Post by teaman on Sept 10, 2020 16:47:11 GMT -5
I think Emotiva has totally lost it's way. They launch products, then discontinue them just as fast. They are putting all of their effort into a processor that after a year is still not stable, and again technology of bigger companies is already leap frogging them.
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Post by Cogito on Sept 10, 2020 17:42:13 GMT -5
I think Emotiva has totally lost it's way. They launch products, then discontinue them just as fast. They are putting all of their effort into a processor that after a year is still not stable, and again technology of bigger companies is already leap frogging them. If I were in the market for a processor, I don't Emotiva would be on my short list. Looking at this forum, they seem very "problematic". |
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Post by thezone on Sept 10, 2020 18:08:49 GMT -5
I think Emotiva has totally lost it's way. They launch products, then discontinue them just as fast. They are putting all of their effort into a processor that after a year is still not stable, and again technology of bigger companies is already leap frogging them. If I were in the market for a processor, I don't Emotiva would be on my short list. Looking at this forum, they seem very "problematic". Off topic a bit but Im going to defend Emo here. I think you'll find that the latest FW has fixed most of the issues thay had and if you look at the quality of the product versus the price the EMO processors are actually very high end at a really good price. I live in Australia and to buy anything even close to the XMC-2 would cost me double the price locally, same goes for the RS-13 I just bought : ). |
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Post by whitwye on Sept 10, 2020 18:24:06 GMT -5
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Post by teaman on Sept 10, 2020 18:43:25 GMT -5
If I were in the market for a processor, I don't Emotiva would be on my short list. Looking at this forum, they seem very "problematic". Off topic a bit but Im going to defend Emo here. I think you'll find that the latest FW has fixed most of the issues thay had and if you look at the quality of the product versus the price the EMO processors are actually very high end at a really good price. I live in Australia and to buy anything even close to the XMC-2 would cost me double the price locally, same goes for the RS-13 I just bought : ). Since 99% of us do not live in Australia, we have a lot of options in the same price range. |
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Post by whitwye on Sept 15, 2020 8:45:50 GMT -5
Ah yes the XTZ A2-300. might have to get one of those for the remaining two channels. Although the website says their out of stock. Now back in stock, right when they predicted. And I've promptly got a FedEx tracking number. In the not far future I should be able to report how it matches the PA-1s (or not). |
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Post by Decllan on Oct 10, 2020 19:08:36 GMT -5
emotiva.com/products/pa-1The PA-1 is still searchable via web or Emotiva main page, it’s just not on the amp page (for now). This thread is a month old though, perhaps Emotiva’s product manager forgot to remove all references to it if the product is truly gone. Too bad, I wanted to get a few more.
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 10, 2020 20:06:08 GMT -5
It is not unusual for products to be licensed for a certain (maximum) quantity, maybe the PA-1's sold up to their limit. Or maybe they didn't sell to their minimum quantity. Either way it could be contractual, rather than any other reason.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by audiobill on Oct 11, 2020 18:13:40 GMT -5
Who in the world ever heard of “sold up to its limit”
I call BS
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Post by knucklehead on Oct 11, 2020 18:35:22 GMT -5
The interesting part of this is that Big Dan had mentioned maybe doing some cooperative design projects with B&O. If the next generation of amps are to have the Emotiva/ICE modules, I'm all in! I had a 5 channel Rotel RMB-1085 (Class D) for about a year. Don't know why I sold it, but it's what I do! It was lightweight, about 12-14# best I can recall, and quite thin, using little rack space. Never had a problem with it and it ran as cool as a cucumber. If it had fans I never heard them. I think it's switching frequency was at 35khz, some people claimed they can hear that. I never could, even my sharp-eared dog (RIP, Milo) never heard it. It used the B&O 100w modules & had plenty of power on tap. I used it to drive ERT 8.3s, 6.3 center, and ERDs. |
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Post by Gary Cook on Oct 12, 2020 0:47:59 GMT -5
Who in the world ever heard of “sold up to its limit” I call BS Happens all the time, for example we ordered 1,000 lithium battery control circuits that we use in unique UPS's from a supplier in the US earlier in the year. That's about 6-7 months of sales. They told us at the time that is all they would supply and if we wanted more that we would have to order a different part number, at a different price. I have no trouble with the possibility that IcePower supplied Emotiva with X amount of 300ASC modules and when Emotiva sold them that there would be no more. Emotiva could of course buy another module at a different price, but then it wouldn't be a PA-1. Cheers Gary |
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Post by audiobill on Oct 12, 2020 1:51:02 GMT -5
Understand the concept, haven’t seen it in audio components before.
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Post by bolle on Oct 12, 2020 7:27:28 GMT -5
As I remember the PA-1 only came to life because they sourced a quantity of icepower modules. So in my understanding the PA-1 was always destined to last as long as that supply lasted. Most likely it wouldn´t make economic sense anymore when buying new modules due to that first quantity being pretty cheap? Just guessing on the last part ...
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Post by leonski on Oct 12, 2020 13:51:25 GMT -5
Understand the concept, haven’t seen it in audio components before. In support of the 'limited quantities' idea? Nelson Pass purchased an entire wafer fab run of a very specific Transistor. HE has it and maybe a few hobbyists.....But I don't know that you can go to Digikey or Parts Express or even the local Radio Shack (who?) and get 'em...... diyaudiostore.com/products/vfet-supplemental-kit?variant=30470281028From DIY Audio. The Vishay devices listed are from Interanational Rectifier who sold the entire line.....lock stock and barrel to Vishay.... As you see? They have an IRF part # Maybe Gen3 parts which makes the design 3 decades old..... |
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Post by mack71 on Oct 12, 2020 16:28:00 GMT -5
Who in the world ever heard of “sold up to its limit” I call BS Happens all the time, for example we ordered 1,000 lithium battery control circuits that we use in unique UPS's from a supplier in the US earlier in the year. That's about 6-7 months of sales. They told us at the time that is all they would supply and if we wanted more that we would have to order a different part number, at a different price. I have no trouble with the possibility that IcePower supplied Emotiva with X amount of 300ASC modules and when Emotiva sold them that there would be no more. Emotiva could of course buy another module at a different price, but then it wouldn't be a PA-1. Cheers Gary Most companies nowadays operate on an OEM basis |
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