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Post by JKCashin on Sept 17, 2020 22:18:16 GMT -5
So every processor since the XMC-1 has allowed you to set the audio input jack used independently of the HDMI. It matches the HDMI by default, but it's configurable. In fact this is how I have my Mac Mini hooked up. On one input button, it uses HDMI6 for audio and video, and on another it uses HDMI6 for the video, and USB for the audio.
So... why don't newer TVs do this? It would solve the issue of eArc for ATMOS.... you could simply use the arc input and set a HDMI input to take the audio out..... no eArc, no 2.1.
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 17, 2020 23:53:47 GMT -5
Copyright protection.
Cheers
Gary
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 18, 2020 0:27:48 GMT -5
So every processor since the XMC-1 has allowed you to set the audio input jack used independently of the HDMI. It matches the HDMI by default, but it's configurable. In fact this is how I have my Mac Mini hooked up. On one input button, it uses HDMI6 for audio and video, and on another it uses HDMI6 for the video, and USB for the audio. So... why don't newer TVs do this? It would solve the issue of eArc for ATMOS.... you could simply use the arc input and set a HDMI input to take the audio out..... no eArc, no 2.1. Well some UHD & Blu-ray players (like Oppo) allow this, so you can send video to your TV and Audio to your processor. But they are controlling the source (disc or stream). I’m not sure if it would be a copy protection issue, and should be possible as it’s really no different than ARC/eARC, but I think that’s the answer to your question, they expect you to use that. |
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Post by vcautokid on Sept 18, 2020 4:28:18 GMT -5
They could maintain HDCP all around. Most have no need to have an HDMI out from a TV. Would be cool, but a rare need. Would love to daisy chain some TVs for a special project or two.
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Post by JKCashin on Sept 18, 2020 8:42:45 GMT -5
Copyright protection. Cheers Gary That doesn't make sense... it's no different to have the audio coming from the TV as opposed to a Blu-Ray player. |
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Post by mgbpuff on Sept 18, 2020 9:21:39 GMT -5
Televisions today are skinny flat panels that most people want to mount on the wall with no cables showing. To make the Tv a complete audio/video distribution center with a myriad of input and output cables is antithetical to that concept.
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Post by JKCashin on Sept 18, 2020 10:23:09 GMT -5
Televisions today are skinny flat panels that most people want to mount on the wall with no cables showing. To make the Tv a complete audio/video distribution center with a myriad of input and output cables is antithetical to that concept. While I agree with what you're saying (good point) all I am really asking for is a single extra HDMI out so the audio from broadcast TV and smart apps on the TV could be processed in full ATMOS |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 18, 2020 20:20:35 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense... it's no different to have the audio coming from the TV as opposed to a Blu-Ray player. All devices in the HDMI chain have to HDCP compliance (pay the substantial licence fees) and be able to demonstrate it to the initial source. Which requires 2 way communication through every device in the chain, from the last device all the way back to the initial source device. Cheers Gary |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Sept 18, 2020 21:38:08 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense... it's no different to have the audio coming from the TV as opposed to a Blu-Ray player. All devices in the HDMI chain have to HDCP compliance (pay the substantial licence fees) and be able to demonstrate it to the initial source. Which requires 2 way communication through every device in the chain, from the last device all the way back to the initial source device. Cheers Gary Which would not negate a feature like this from working, it’s no different than what an Oppo does, or what ARC does. If (both) entire chain(s) are still HDMI, then it can be controlled / protected. |
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Post by JKCashin on Sept 18, 2020 23:29:01 GMT -5
That doesn't make sense... it's no different to have the audio coming from the TV as opposed to a Blu-Ray player. All devices in the HDMI chain have to HDCP compliance (pay the substantial licence fees) and be able to demonstrate it to the initial source. Which requires 2 way communication through every device in the chain, from the last device all the way back to the initial source device. Cheers Gary OK that clears things up quite a bit |
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Post by ottaone on Sept 19, 2020 0:27:26 GMT -5
And here’s me wishing TVs we’re just monitors.:-)
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 19, 2020 17:53:30 GMT -5
All devices in the HDMI chain have to HDCP compliance (pay the substantial licence fees) and be able to demonstrate it to the initial source. Which requires 2 way communication through every device in the chain, from the last device all the way back to the initial source device. Which would not negate a feature like this from working, it’s no different than what an Oppo does, or what ARC does. If (both) entire chain(s) are still HDMI, then it can be controlled / protected. In the Oppo (and lots of other BDP's) case it is sending the video and audio via one HDMI output to a device that has HDMI/HDCP license fees paid, so "high definition" video and audio is sent. At the same time sending via the HDMI audio out to another device that also has HDMI/HDCP license fees paid so "high definition" audio is sent. The BDP can verify independently that each device is HDMI/HDCP licensed and that it is allowed to send "high definition". The manufacturer paid for 2 “licenses” (it’s probably not 2 licences but 1 license for 2 inputs/outputs) and for the additional hardware required. When we daisy chain devices, at each step the sending device has to verify that the receiving device is HDMI/HDCP licensed. When sending audio over a non HDMI connection (say USB) and where the receiving device isn't licensed or the licensing cannot be identified by the sending device only "low definition" audio will be sent. From what I have experienced it seems to be not unusual for TV manufacturers to license all of the HDMI’s for inputs but not license them (aside from the ARC) or the the USB’s for outputs. Due to either avoiding fees and/or not wanting to pay for the more expensive hardware. Cheers Gary |
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Post by Gary Cook on Sept 19, 2020 17:58:25 GMT -5
And here’s me wishing TVs we’re just monitors.:-) Hell yes, I have had multiple TV's that have never had the audio turned on, I paid for speakers, amps and DAC's etc that I will never use. Same with apps. I have Apple TV's, don't need the clunky and update limited rubbish. I want to buy just a monitor thanks manufacturers. Cheers Gary |
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Post by ottaone on Sept 20, 2020 8:08:22 GMT -5
Only few times that I used YouTube app in my Sony TV since ATV does not support 4K yet. Hopefully we get it soon as it was supposed to be part of the latest update.
But to be honest, using the eARC and audio out of my TV has allowed me to postpone the replacement of my UMC-1 which is still going strong after 10 years. Two 4K sources - ATV and disc player- are connected directly to the TV.
Holding on to see what my fellow Canuck Anthem will have with HDMI 2.1 to replace current pre-pro/receivers.
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Post by JKCashin on Nov 26, 2020 16:58:37 GMT -5
How to convert AV to HDMI? Sorry... what? Your question is not clear |
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Post by DYohn on Nov 26, 2020 19:43:24 GMT -5
This is what ARC was designed for.
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Post by Soup on Nov 26, 2020 20:04:42 GMT -5
Only few times that I used YouTube app in my Sony TV since ATV does not support 4K yet. Hopefully we get it soon as it was supposed to be part of the latest update. But to be honest, using the eARC and audio out of my TV has allowed me to postpone the replacement of my UMC-1 which is still going strong after 10 years. Two 4K sources - ATV and disc player- are connected directly to the TV. Holding on to see what my fellow Canuck Anthem will have with HDMI 2.1 to replace current pre-pro/receivers. What anthem do u currently use? |
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Post by ottaone on Nov 27, 2020 7:53:50 GMT -5
No Anthem yet. The new products out next month still won’t have HDMI 2.1 when they ship. 2.1 is a paid upgrade later. Many owners are now selling AVM 60s and MRX xx20s and the good deals go quick, example MRX 720 for C$1,800. www.canuckaudiomart.com/search.php?keywords=AnthemI’ll most likely get a 720 or AVM 60 when I’m ready for a good deal or when the UMC-1 stops working. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 27, 2020 17:01:36 GMT -5
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