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Post by monkumonku on Sept 19, 2020 12:49:52 GMT -5
Why is this post in the Green Room and not under speakers? Because my comments are not about the speakers but about the review comments. I have the LRS on order so when I found out about this review, I went to read it. The guy, Amir, hated them. The measurements he took made them look pretty poor. Me, I am still eagerly looking forward to receiving and hearing them because of all the good things I've read. I've never heard them myself. What I want to comment on are the comments to the reviews. It sounds like Audio Science is a cult and Amir's followers are all hypnotized, like he is Obi Wan waving his hand and they all just let his opinion be their opinion. One guy who has the 1.7's on order was now so regretful that he had ordered them. It's like he told them what they should believe and they all fell in place and did so. After reading through that, I was thinking people ought to listen with their own ears, not someone else's. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/magnepan-lrs-speaker-review.16068/#post-518138
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Post by brutiarti on Sept 19, 2020 13:18:35 GMT -5
Maybe he makes his own comments 😂
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Post by garbulky on Sept 19, 2020 13:48:12 GMT -5
Why is this post in the Green Room and not under speakers? Because my comments are not about the speakers but about the review comments. I have the LRS on order so when I found out about this review, I went to read it. The guy, Amir, hated them. The measurements he took made them look pretty poor. Me, I am still eagerly looking forward to receiving and hearing them because of all the good things I've read. I've never heard them myself. What I want to comment on are the comments to the reviews. It sounds like Audio Science is a cult and Amir's followers are all hypnotized, like he is Obi Wan waving his hand and they all just let his opinion be their opinion. One guy who has the 1.7's on order was now so regretful that he had ordered them. It's like he told them what they should believe and they all fell in place and did so. After reading through that, I was thinking people ought to listen with their own ears, not someone else's. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/magnepan-lrs-speaker-review.16068/#post-518138I don’t know about you, but I thought that was an amazing review. It had a lot of Neat data. Regarding his subjective impressions, he has long maintain that they are his alone and reflected his preferences. A good portion of the commentors actually owned or used tmagniepan before. If I was buying that speaker, the biggest thing I would be worried about was the treble rolloff and the base rolloff and that the speaker had trouble reaching high volumes - if you are in to that sort of thing.
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 19, 2020 14:18:42 GMT -5
Why is this post in the Green Room and not under speakers? Because my comments are not about the speakers but about the review comments. I have the LRS on order so when I found out about this review, I went to read it. The guy, Amir, hated them. The measurements he took made them look pretty poor. Me, I am still eagerly looking forward to receiving and hearing them because of all the good things I've read. I've never heard them myself. What I want to comment on are the comments to the reviews. It sounds like Audio Science is a cult and Amir's followers are all hypnotized, like he is Obi Wan waving his hand and they all just let his opinion be their opinion. One guy who has the 1.7's on order was now so regretful that he had ordered them. It's like he told them what they should believe and they all fell in place and did so. After reading through that, I was thinking people ought to listen with their own ears, not someone else's. www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/magnepan-lrs-speaker-review.16068/#post-518138I don’t know about you, but I thought that was an amazing review. It had a lot of Neat data. Regarding his subjective impressions, he has long maintain that they are his alone and reflected his preferences. A good portion of the commentors actually owned or used tmagniepan before. If I was buying that speaker, the biggest thing I would be worried about was the treble rolloff and the base rolloff and that the speaker had trouble reaching high volumes - if you are in to that sort of thing. I have no qualms about the review. The guy posted his measurements, which I will assume are correct, and he is entitled to his opinion. Since I've never heard them, I have no response to that. I just thought the comments were interesting because the people seemed to make their opinions align with whatever their guru pronounced. Like that guy who had the 1.7's on order. Never heard them but based on the review, he regretted his purchase and wanted to return them already. There had to be some reason why he bought them in the first place, so why be so glum because one guy is negative? My feeling is that one's own ears ought to be the judge. You can look at measurements all you want, and listen to other people's opinions, but in the end a person ought to be true to their own self.
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Post by garbulky on Sept 19, 2020 14:26:59 GMT -5
I don’t know about you, but I thought that was an amazing review. It had a lot of Neat data. Regarding his subjective impressions, he has long maintain that they are his alone and reflected his preferences. A good portion of the commentors actually owned or used tmagniepan before. If I was buying that speaker, the biggest thing I would be worried about was the treble rolloff and the base rolloff and that the speaker had trouble reaching high volumes - if you are in to that sort of thing. I have no qualms about the review. The guy posted his measurements, which I will assume are correct, and he is entitled to his opinion. Since I've never heard them, I have no response to that. I just thought the comments were interesting because the people seemed to make their opinions align with whatever their guru pronounced. Like that guy who had the 1.7's on order. Never heard them but based on the review, he regretted his purchase and wanted to return them already. There had to be some reason why he bought them in the first place, so why be so glum because one guy is negative? My feeling is that one's own ears ought to be the judge. You can look at measurements all you want, and listen to other people's opinions, but in the end a person ought to be true to their own self. I am defniitely a subjective person. If something measures the same or measures worse but I like the sound more, that's what's important. My XPA-1 gen 2 is the best amp I've heard, but compared to the newer class D offerings by hypex and benchmark, they can't get anywhere close to them in distortion. Regardless, I love the sound of the amp, so that's what matters Having said that, the maggies I have heard (1.6) - I did hear a mild treble and somewhat lacklustre bass extension. The subjective impressions about them matched mine, though they were a little bit more pronounced towards the negative than mine were. For instance the "deep well" comment could be both positive and negative. I was fascinated that the voices floated in the air and seemed a little farther away than I expected. Dynamics were a bit limited. I thought they had a reasonable amount of detail and sounded all right, so not a bad showing, but it's the kind of speaker some would prefer more than others.
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Post by audiobill on Sept 19, 2020 18:02:40 GMT -5
I wouldn’t trust asr on speakers, less so on Magnepans.
See Sigfried Linkwitz, an actual expert comments on the difficulties in measuring planars in his comments regarding the 3.6/R in Stereophile.
ASR readers, I agree seem to be objectivists that slavishly follow measurements and Amrin generally.
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 19, 2020 18:27:05 GMT -5
I wouldn’t trust asr on speakers, less so on Magnepans. See Sigfried Linkwitz, an actual expert comments on the difficulties in measuring planars in his comments regarding the 3.6/R in Stereophile. ASR readers, I agree seem to be objectivists that slavishly follow measurements and Amrin generally. When I wrote my post, I couldn't come up with the right word, but you did - "slavishly." That's what it seemed like to me.
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Post by mauriceminor on Sept 19, 2020 19:09:51 GMT -5
Siegfried Linkwitz on loudspeaker evaluation " Caution: It is almost impossible not to hear what you think you are going to hear."
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Post by ttocs on Sept 19, 2020 19:14:53 GMT -5
Since I've never heard them, I have no response to that. Joe Vs The Volcanoe
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Post by boomzilla on Sept 19, 2020 20:32:46 GMT -5
ASR strikes me as having a bunch of airhead followers of an outspoken guru. To give the guru his due, though, he generally does seem to segregate his measurements from his opinions and to qualify his opinions. But that (important) distinction is consistently ignored by the average ASR poster, who gloms onto either the measurement or the opinion section and treats it as gospel. And don't try to argue - Amir said it, I believe it, that settles it - Amen. Of course, the average ASR poster is quick to misunderstand the measurements, to quote Amir out of context, and/or to put words in Amir's mouth, but don't confuse them with facts; their minds are made up.
My other objection to ASR is that the quantitive approach is emphasized to the point of worship while the qualitative approach is not only ignored but also denigrated, despised, and ridiculed. Foolishness.
To summarize - I respect Amir - I respect the ASR website - I consider the measurements a valuable tool - but I consider the average ASR site follower to be a mindless zombie. That said, many ASR followers are far, far better and smarter than what I've described, but they don't seem to post as much. Come to think of it, keeping ones mouth shut in the midst of the madding crowd actually IS a smart thing to do.
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Post by audiobill on Sept 19, 2020 22:37:15 GMT -5
Well said , Boom.
Could you please add a link to the Secrets review done recently?tks
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 19, 2020 23:18:32 GMT -5
ASR strikes me as having a bunch of airhead followers of an outspoken guru. To give the guru his due, though, he generally does seem to segregate his measurements from his opinions and to qualify his opinions. But that ( important) distinction is consistently ignored by the average ASR poster, who gloms onto either the measurement or the opinion section and treats it as gospel. And don't try to argue - Amir said it, I believe it, that settles it - Amen. Of course, the average ASR poster is quick to misunderstand the measurements, to quote Amir out of context, and/or to put words in Amir's mouth, but don't confuse them with facts; their minds are made up. My other objection to ASR is that the quantitive approach is emphasized to the point of worship while the qualitative approach is not only ignored but also denigrated, despised, and ridiculed. Foolishness. To summarize - I respect Amir - I respect the ASR website - I consider the measurements a valuable tool - but I consider the average ASR site follower to be a mindless zombie. That said, many ASR followers are far, far better and smarter than what I've described, but they don't seem to post as much. Come to think of it, keeping ones mouth shut in the midst of the madding crowd actually IS a smart thing to do. Boomzilla I have read very few things on ASR but your description pretty much says what I saw in the LRS review. The actual review itself was fine. I don't have the patience or knowledge to look carefully at all of the measurement data to evaluate it but it sure looked comprehensive and I can't argue with it. Can't argue with his subjective review either, since that's purely his own. But those comments from his followers in many cases were like mindless zombies. Maybe you are right, maybe the majority of those who regularly follow that site aren't like that but they're the silent majority so we have no idea. I'm just going by what I saw.
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Post by boomzilla on Sept 20, 2020 7:47:26 GMT -5
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Post by DYohn on Sept 20, 2020 10:12:08 GMT -5
What I want to comment on are the comments to the reviews. It sounds like Audio Science is a cult and Amir's followers are all hypnotized, like he is Obi Wan waving his hand and they all just let his opinion be their opinion. One guy who has the 1.7's on order was now so regretful that he had ordered them. It's like he told them what they should believe and they all fell in place and did so. After reading through that, I was thinking people ought to listen with their own ears, not someone else's. I could not agree with you more about that site and it's why I never take anything they say seriously.
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Post by audiobill on Sept 20, 2020 11:00:14 GMT -5
I’m of the opinion it’s a bunch of folks that own no high end equipment that study spec sheets and comment.
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 20, 2020 11:03:23 GMT -5
I’m of the opinion it’s a bunch of folks that own no high end equipment that study spec sheets and comment. Or maybe they do but none of it is plugged in. You go to their house and ask how the system sounds and they will pull out a portfolio of the specifications and ASR reviews for you to read.
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Post by DYohn on Sept 20, 2020 11:12:16 GMT -5
And, of course, Topping is the greatest brand ever.
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Post by mauriceminor on Sept 20, 2020 11:17:53 GMT -5
Are Nordost interconnect cables considered high end . . .
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Post by audiobill on Sept 20, 2020 11:20:01 GMT -5
Nah, they don’t have .00000000001% thd
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Post by klinemj on Sept 20, 2020 11:25:28 GMT -5
Nah, they don’t have .00000000001% thd And, they don't put out much power at all...
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