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Post by LuisV on Dec 8, 2020 8:37:37 GMT -5
Interesting that you're having issues with the Nucleus as it should be plug and play... To be fair, the majority of my complaints aren't substantive. The lack of labeling on the on/off switch, the lack of model identification on the silkscreen, and the bad ergonomics of the recessed back panel are trivial. In fact, even the "having to reboot before the update will install" issue is not a deal breaker. But the flakiness of the Roon backup and restore ARE significant issues, as is the fact that even WITH a good backup, not all data transfers. Among the things that are lost: Favorites tags, playlists, and some hand-entered metadata. The Roon community agrees with me, although some think that they've found "work-arounds" to overcome the issues, others say that the kludges don't always work. Again, it bears mentioning that the backup and restore issues aren't part of the nucleus - but rather issues with Roon itself. So it isn't fair to blame the hardware platform for the shortcomings of the software. On another note, the "static in the audio" issue has magically resolved itself. Whether it's gone for good or not remains to be seen. As to sound quality - no decisions yet. If there IS any difference between the nucleus and my previous Mac Mini Roon Core, it's definitely minor. The show goes on! Boomzilla Agreed... the backup problems are software issues with Roon. Safe to assume Rock has the same backup / restore issues? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 8:41:45 GMT -5
I'm very interested in Roon, but there are so many different configurations I get confused about what is really needed. Warning, what comes next are probably dumb questions, but I've never shied away from asking or from entertaining dumb questions so here it goes... With Roon do you need another software interface like a JRiver to do playlists and searches? Then does this mean you need a separate PC from where Roon resides? What about a streamer? Do you need a separate streamer? Short term I have been contemplating putting Roon on a NUC and connecting to my Cambridge CXN streamer/DAC. Is it that simple? Eventually, I'd like to upgrade my DAC. If I do I am assuming I can just plug the digital out from the CXN and into whatever DAC I'd choose and I keep my streaming capability. Or would the streamer even be needed? Again, sorry about the freshman level questions. Hi tropicallutefisk - 1. With Roon, you don't need another interface. Roon = jRiver in terms of functionality (although you can rip CDs with jRiver, but not with Roon). 2. You don't need any other PC than where Roon resides. You will need a DAC (hooks up to the Roon computer) 3. You don't need a separate streamer, but you can use one if you want. Yes - it is that simple. You don't ask, you don't learn! Boomzilla |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 8:43:03 GMT -5
... the backup problems are software issues with Roon. Safe to assume Rock has the same backup / restore issues? Hi LuisV - Since the nucleus runs ROCK, yeah - the backup issues would be identical. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 8:46:27 GMT -5
OK, Roonies -
I've another mystery -
I plugged my external USB HDD into the USB port on my cable modem. But now the nucleus can't see it and wants me to enter a share folder on the network. I've tried "\\workgroup\GODZILLA and smb://workgroup/GODZILLA" without success. Any suggestions as to the correct syntax for the nucleus to find the drive?
Thanks - Boomzilla
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Post by LuisV on Dec 8, 2020 8:48:43 GMT -5
Kinda figured it would be the same issue... was curious if you read differently within the Roon community.
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Dec 8, 2020 8:55:44 GMT -5
I'm very interested in Roon, but there are so many different configurations I get confused about what is really needed. Warning, what comes next are probably dumb questions, but I've never shied away from asking or from entertaining dumb questions so here it goes... With Roon do you need another software interface like a JRiver to do playlists and searches? Then does this mean you need a separate PC from where Roon resides? What about a streamer? Do you need a separate streamer? Short term I have been contemplating putting Roon on a NUC and connecting to my Cambridge CXN streamer/DAC. Is it that simple? Eventually, I'd like to upgrade my DAC. If I do I am assuming I can just plug the digital out from the CXN and into whatever DAC I'd choose and I keep my streaming capability. Or would the streamer even be needed? Again, sorry about the freshman level questions. Hi tropicallutefisk - 1. With Roon, you don't need another interface. Roon = jRiver in terms of functionality (although you can rip CDs with jRiver, but not with Roon). 2. You don't need any other PC than where Roon resides. You will need a DAC (hooks up to the Roon computer) 3. You don't need a separate streamer, but you can use one if you want. Yes - it is that simple. You don't ask, you don't learn! Boomzilla Mr. Boom, thanks for the reply. Looks like you may need to get commission from Roon. You have sold me. Now for me to sell the wife. I think I can get the subscription and NUC pretty easily outta her. The question is do I push my luck and try for a new DAC while I'm at it. LOL |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 9:02:12 GMT -5
Kinda figured it would be the same issue... was curious if you read differently within the Roon community. I"ve got the question posted there too. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 9:04:55 GMT -5
Mr. Boom, thanks for the reply. Looks like you may need to get commission from Roon. You have sold me. Now for me to sell the wife. I think I can get the subscription and NUC pretty easily outta her. The question is do I push my luck and try for a new DAC while I'm at it. LOL Go for broke! LOL |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 8, 2020 9:12:59 GMT -5
OK, Roonies - I've another mystery - I plugged my external USB HDD into the USB port on my cable modem. But now the nucleus can't see it and wants me to enter a share folder on the network. I've tried "\\workgroup\GODZILLA and smb://workgroup/GODZILLA" without success. Any suggestions as to the correct syntax for the nucleus to find the drive? Thanks - Boomzilla |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 8, 2020 9:17:36 GMT -5
Roon Backup backs up your local index so the system does not have to re-scan every time it updates. If you wish to back up your library you have to use software in your server, it is not part of Roon.
One of the reasons I like using Vortexbox as my server OS is it has a very efficient library backup routine built into it. All I have to do is click a button.
Read this (everything ROCK applies to Nucleus) help.roonlabs.com/portal/en/kb/articles/rock-storage-basics so you know where to point your backup software
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 11:33:54 GMT -5
This article assumes that the drive is being served from a computer, and that the computer is on at all times that Roon wishes to access the drive. My drive is not connected to any computer but rather directly to a router, and is essentially, NAS. |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 8, 2020 11:42:49 GMT -5
This article assumes that the drive is being served from a computer, and that the computer is on at all times that Roon wishes to access the drive. My drive is not connected to any computer but rather directly to a router, and is essentially, NAS. But it still has a network path. If it is a shared drive it can be added to the Roon watch list. And yes, the drive must be availab le at all times. You cannot add a path that is not available. Don't shut it down if you wish to avoid problems. |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 11:56:48 GMT -5
The Roon documents say:
If your Roon Core is running on Mac or Linux, the path to your networked folder might look like this:
smb://MyNASDrive/Multimedia/Music or smb://192.168.1.120/Multimedia/Music - After you've entered the network path in Roon, enter the credentials required to access your NAS. If a username, password, or workgroup isn't required to access your NAS, just leave the relevant fields blank and click Add Folder.
I've tried both the Router's static IP address followed by the drive name and the network name + drive name without success.
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Post by KeithL on Dec 8, 2020 12:12:13 GMT -5
Some hard drives (for example Western Digital USB drives) have a sort of built-in sleep mode... And, during the few seconds it takes them to wake up, they may appear unavailable to some programs unwilling to wait for them...
(As far as I know this is a hardware feature and cannot be disabled.) It might be worth checking to verify that your drives don't have this...
This article assumes that the drive is being served from a computer, and that the computer is on at all times that Roon wishes to access the drive. My drive is not connected to any computer but rather directly to a router, and is essentially, NAS. But it still has a network path. If it is a shared drive it can be added to the Roon watch list. And yes, the drive must be availab le at all times. You cannot add a path that is not available. Don't shut it down if you wish to avoid problems. |
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Post by briank on Dec 8, 2020 12:17:38 GMT -5
I'm very interested in Roon, but there are so many different configurations I get confused about what is really needed. Warning, what comes next are probably dumb questions, but I've never shied away from asking or from entertaining dumb questions so here it goes... With Roon do you need another software interface like a JRiver to do playlists and searches? Then does this mean you need a separate PC from where Roon resides? What about a streamer? Do you need a separate streamer? Short term I have been contemplating putting Roon on a NUC and connecting to my Cambridge CXN streamer/DAC. Is it that simple? Eventually, I'd like to upgrade my DAC. If I do I am assuming I can just plug the digital out from the CXN and into whatever DAC I'd choose and I keep my streaming capability. Or would the streamer even be needed? Again, sorry about the freshman level questions. Hi tropicallutefisk - 1. With Roon, you don't need another interface. Roon = jRiver in terms of functionality (although you can rip CDs with jRiver, but not with Roon). 2. You don't need any other PC than where Roon resides. You will need a DAC (hooks up to the Roon computer) 3. You don't need a separate streamer, but you can use one if you want. Yes - it is that simple. You don't ask, you don't learn! Boomzilla Clarification, with a Roon Nucleus you don’t need a separate streamer “if” you have a DAC with a USB audio input (or a device to convert usb to spidf). Also you can rip cd’s with it. All you need is an external cd/dvd drive. Pop in the cd and it will auto load into your Roon library and eject the disc when done. |
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Post by DYohn on Dec 8, 2020 12:43:22 GMT -5
The Roon documents say: If your Roon Core is running on Mac or Linux, the path to your networked folder might look like this:
smb://MyNASDrive/Multimedia/Music or smb://192.168.1.120/Multimedia/Music - After you've entered the network path in Roon, enter the credentials required to access your NAS. If a username, password, or workgroup isn't required to access your NAS, just leave the relevant fields blank and click Add Folder. I've tried both the Router's static IP address followed by the drive name and the network name + drive name without success. Is it shared? Did you add it as a network share? |
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 12:45:22 GMT -5
klinemj - Would you please be so kind as to share with me your EXACT "Network Share Location" from your Roon Core to your NAS/USB drive? I've spent the morning reading Roon help screens, Roon community posts, and Lounge assistance without yet finding any combination that works. I know the drive is powered (I can hear it spinning), but not for love or money can I get Roon to recognize it. Thanks - Boomzilla
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Post by Boomzilla on Dec 8, 2020 13:01:05 GMT -5
]Is it shared? Did you add it as a network share? I can not set any attributes to the drive until Roon recognizes it. Since the drive isn't connected to any computer, I can't access it EXCEPT over the network. Perhaps I'm going about this wrong? I've disconnecting the drive from the Router & connected it directly to my computer room MacBook Pro. I opened the information pane for the drive & ENABLED sharing. I'm ejecting it now & will then try network access again. Thanks. |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 8, 2020 13:01:25 GMT -5
Sure - with my setup, I have the hard drive as a shared drive that my PC can see. I set that file sharing up within Windows, and how the Nuke does it may be different. My address shows the PC name, the shared drive letter and Name, then a first folder name, then the folder than contains the music files. There's also an "add network share" button within the Roon storage settings...I presume you have taken that step already.   Mark |
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Post by klinemj on Dec 8, 2020 13:03:17 GMT -5
Also, you may need to go into your router's page and see what address it gives. That address mine shows is really just a proxy for what the router's address is, which is embedded within Windows' sharing.
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