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Post by novisnick on Jan 3, 2021 11:10:47 GMT -5
This leads me to believe that maybe there should be a different/better protocol for getting a vaccine. Was the nurse tested prior to injection? If so, was there time given to distinguish whether or not the test showed a false positive or false negative? While I agree with your intent, it takes a while after exposure to have a detectable concentration in the body. At immediate exposure and for up to ~24 hours, the concentration can be too low to detect even with the gold standard PCR test. Once it's detectable, then it can be measured. I plan to get it as soon as I'm allowed the chance. My Mom (86 and in a senior living center) gets her first dose in 10 days. I'm excited for her - that means soon she and other residents can resume group activities! Mark Thanks Mark. Getting mom back into a social environment will be such a blessing. It’s a very difficult balance of life for everyone at the moment. I’m sure for many it’s been excruciating, we are social beings and need the company of others, touch even more so. Now, the medical pros need to examine this new strain of the virus. 🙏🙏🙏 |
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Post by autiger on Jan 3, 2021 11:39:11 GMT -5
Meanwhile, US COVID deaths: 343,000. Covid deaths yesterday 3808 day before that 3700 80,000 more projected in next three weeks. Seems interesting that non-covid deaths this year (heart, cancer, etc.) have dropped about the same % that covid deaths have occurred. Non-covid deaths have been fairly steady over the past few years, at least until this year when covid hit the scene. Maybe all deaths aren't covid caused. I said when all the conspiracy theories began, that an accurate measure will be to compare causes of death from previous years and look at the percentage changes. I think you are spot on in your assessment. |
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Post by klinemj on Jan 3, 2021 11:58:44 GMT -5
Thanks Mark. Getting mom back into a social environment will be such a blessing. It’s a very difficult balance of life for everyone at the moment. I’m sure for many it’s been excruciating, we are social beings and need the company of others, touch even more so. Now, the medical pros need to examine this new strain of the virus. 🙏🙏🙏 Thanks - It's hard to tell how much of my Mom's decline the past year has been due to isolation and how much has been her natural aging process. She was already getting physically weaker quickly prior to the isolation, and she's clearly much weaker now. We have heard from the staff that she's one of the few seen out taking routine, socially distanced walks - so that's a good sign. She's out there shuffling along with her mask on and getting her exercise! And, her memory decline has been on a very steady downturn the past 4 years (a key reason she's where she is...), and she's lost a lot this year in total. On the new strain, I've already heard good reports from experts that say they expect the vaccine to work despite the new mutations - but perhaps a bit less efficacy. But, that would mean we have to get more people vaccinated to get to herd immunity. Recently, Fauci had inititally estimated we needed to get 60-70% immune to reach herd immunity. Then, he upped the estimate (with more learning) to 70-75%. He recently upped it to 70-85%. Knowing the models behind how these estimates occur - I suspect the new strain's higher transmission rate + potential for the current vaccines to be less effective is behind that. The good news about new strains is that, according to a friend who is an expert in the field, the approach used to develop the vaccines leads to the ability to quickly modify the vaccine for new strains in the future if needed. As he described it to me in layman's terms, if a new strain comes up, they simply "snip off" a genetic code from the old vaccine and "tack on" the new genetic code. FYI, he's a microbiology professor and the Director of the Center for Bioinformatics and Functional Genomics at a major university. He's also an audiophile and personally modified his old Thorens TT to upgrade it a lot. The decades of research behind the mRNA approach used in the vaccine will start paying dividends now. He had told me some inside info he knew about the progress on the vaccines as of early August, and he said he was confident they would work well and production would ramp up quickly. He was right. Mark |
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Post by esquire on Jan 4, 2021 17:57:31 GMT -5
I received a Pfizer shot about 4 hours ago. Virtually painless with no symptoms whatsoever so far.
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Post by bootman on Jan 5, 2021 8:48:06 GMT -5
I received a Pfizer shot about 4 hours ago. Virtually painless with no symptoms whatsoever so far. Are you in the UK? The Pfizer one was just approved there before the new year. From a logistic standpoint, it doesn't require subfreezing temps to transport and I believe current recommendations has expended up to three months between the two shots? (anyone qualified from the UK please correct as needed) Not sure if the EU has approved it yet. |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jan 5, 2021 10:54:31 GMT -5
Seems interesting that non-covid deaths this year (heart, cancer, etc.) have dropped about the same % that covid deaths have occurred. Non-covid deaths have been fairly steady over the past few years, at least until this year when covid hit the scene. Maybe all deaths aren't covid caused. Where are you getting your whole year numbers from for 2020? It's my understanding that the whole year numbers don't come out until the beginning of February. |
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Post by copperpipe on Jan 5, 2021 11:23:07 GMT -5
Seems interesting that non-covid deaths this year (heart, cancer, etc.) have dropped about the same % that covid deaths have occurred. Non-covid deaths have been fairly steady over the past few years, at least until this year when covid hit the scene. Maybe all deaths aren't covid caused. Where are you getting your whole year numbers from for 2020? It's my understanding that the whole year numbers don't come out until the beginning of February. I keep hearing that being repeated too. But never with any stats/facts to back it up, just always thrown out there like it's a given. Are public health officials really that dense that this whole idea (non covid deaths going down) wouldn't occur to them? I mean the idea pops into many a lay person's head on faceboo so clearly a professional must have thought about this possibility too, yet none of them are saying it's true. I really don't know. It could be true, could be false. But so far, nobody has shown me facts or stats. |
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Post by esquire on Jan 5, 2021 17:45:42 GMT -5
I received a Pfizer shot about 4 hours ago. Virtually painless with no symptoms whatsoever so far. Are you in the UK? The Pfizer one was just approved there before the new year. From a logistic standpoint, it doesn't require subfreezing temps to transport and I believe current recommendations has expended up to three months between the two shots? (anyone qualified from the UK please correct as needed) Not sure if the EU has approved it yet. I received the vaccination in Georgia, USA. Interestingly, my wife got the Moderna shot earlier the same day. To date, other than a little soreness at the injection site, no adverse symptoms to report. Both of received appointments for the second shot, albeit different dates. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Jan 5, 2021 23:26:37 GMT -5
This was just posted by my county’s communication director, while it’s an estimate based on projected county allocations, it will probably be similar in other locations. As suspected, I’m pretty far back in line. 😕  |
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Post by ÈlTwo on Jan 6, 2021 0:29:41 GMT -5
We just have Phases 1a, 1b, 2 and 3 for priority. I have no priority  |
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Post by pallpoul on Jan 31, 2021 13:10:05 GMT -5
My second dose of the Moderna vaccine went well last week, minimal headaches only for 1 day. I noticed from talking to many peoples so far, that one should expect side effects either on the first or the second dose. Those who went w/o side effects on the first dose, got them on the second dose, and vis versa. My Antibody test, showed strong response to IgG, so it worked.
The hospital got so far 1600 doses of the vaccine, Pfizer and Moderna, people lined up for long lines, until we ran out of doses. Hope we get some more in the near future. Vaccination per criteria set forth by CDC phases. I have noticed a serious drop in new cases and hospitalized cases the last 4 weeks. Praying it will continue to improve. I guess social distancing and vaccination are both helping.
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Post by rbk123 on Jan 31, 2021 18:12:19 GMT -5
My wife got it the other day, even though she actually had Covid. She works in healthcare and the same place that she got it from also made her get the vaccine. Later in the afternoon after she got the Moderna shot, she felt terrible. Came home and pretty much went straight to bed. Got up the next day as if nothing ever happened and was perfectly fine from then on (or as far as we know  . |
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Post by ttocs on Jan 31, 2021 19:12:36 GMT -5
Today I spoke with a friend who is a dental hygienist and she related that even younger very healthy medical people she knows have had a worse reaction to the vaccine if they previously had Covid. It all comes down to immune system response she said. Some will have flu-like symptoms like fever, and vomiting, and others not as severe. The symptoms are short-lived, just good to know about.
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Post by esquire on Jan 31, 2021 19:47:24 GMT -5
Had my second Pfizer shot last Monday. No discomfort whatsoever
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Post by pedrocols on Jan 31, 2021 20:02:26 GMT -5
I received my Moderna two weeks ago and still have all my organs (nothing has fallen off and I did not turn into a zombie lol). First side effect was that the very next day I was very tired and had chills. I had pain in my arm similar to when you get your tetanus shot and it went away two days later.
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Post by LCSeminole on Jan 31, 2021 21:11:39 GMT -5
My 86yr old Mother got the SarCov2 virus back in late July/early August and had spent almost 2 1/2 weeks in the hospital/covid ICU in Orlando, FL. After 2 weeks in her ICU stay, she received "anti-bodies" which completely turned her diagnosis around for the better, she went through physical therapy for a while and now she is and has been back to her daily routines of retirement. She too had and still has some side effects of the SarsCov2 virus, she also received the first dose of the vaccine last Monday and is scheduled for the second dose in another 8 days(a week from this coming Monday). She said she only had a slightly sore arm where the vaccine was injected, so hopefully the second shot will be just that as well. I'm just grateful she beat this virus, especially at her age.
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Post by rbk123 on Feb 1, 2021 11:19:11 GMT -5
I received my Moderna two weeks ago and still have all my organs (nothing has fallen off and I did not turn into a zombie lol). First side effect was that the very next day I was very tired and had chills. I had pain in my arm similar to when you get your tetanus shot and it went away two days later. Keep an eye out for a 3rd nipple growing out. Just sayin'... |
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Post by esquire on Feb 1, 2021 12:27:09 GMT -5
Do you believe that a Pharma company can afford to put a harmful product on the market and expect to survive the ensuing lawsuits? Just askin'...
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Post by 405x5 on Feb 1, 2021 12:32:35 GMT -5
I don’t know, last time I checked in with the science it LOOKED like Johnson and Johnson may have the winner of all the vaccines going forward. That being said, I’m in the network chain with my primary care physician, both my wife and I.
I will be vaccinated eventually however I am not going to rush it. I just maintain my usual anti-social distancing which is 6000 feet apart or better LOL. Maintain my physical training and hope for the best.
Bill
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Post by DavidR on Feb 1, 2021 20:15:17 GMT -5
Do you believe that a Pharma company can afford to put a harmful product on the market and expect to survive the ensuing lawsuits? Just askin'... The Pharmas that are distributing the SARSCovid2 vaccine is a big YES.
They have no liabilities with this product.
mRNA products not for me thank you.
The last product rushed to the market was thalidomide. Nothing went wrong there, right?
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