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Post by assy74 on Jan 6, 2021 16:07:47 GMT -5
I am ON the verge to buy a New prosessor..... The rmc1L has been ON my mind obviously! The USD is going a bit down towards my currensy as well. But IT Will be 500-600 USD more expensive than the Anthem-avm-70. The specs ON anthem looks very promesing as well. Is the rmc1L bretter?
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Post by assy74 on Jan 6, 2021 16:08:20 GMT -5
Better.....
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 6, 2021 17:29:15 GMT -5
Since there are as of yet no AVM70s in users hands, and since Anthem has released only minimal information, no one will be able to give you an objective answer. But I will say that a more leveled price comparison would be the AVM70 versus the XMC-2. The RMC-1L is fully balanced (true inverted signals) using independent DACs on all 16 channels, has twin displays and uses a multi-point controller which, all combined, leads to its higher price. The RMC-1L may be better compared to the AVM90.
Personally, I own the RMC-1L and have had no concerning issues with it, but I waited until its firmware was what I considered to be stable enough to use in my system before I purchased it. I also have great respect for Anthem. Which is "better" would be open to subjective opinion, but who gets issues resolved quicker really isn't and may be worth considering.
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Post by assy74 on Jan 6, 2021 18:01:23 GMT -5
The Anthem-avm-70 is supposedly fully balansed..... The only difference between amv70 and amv90 was four sub xlr instead of two. And different DAC chip.... I only need two sub outs. The Anthem-avm-70 comes next week or two to norway.... And I have the posibillity too hear it on my same speakers as home.... Trouble with emotiva is that if anything happens its a Long way to USA. While with Anthem-avm-70 is one hour drive.....
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Post by doc1963 on Jan 6, 2021 18:17:57 GMT -5
The Anthem-avm-70 is supposedly fully balansed..... The only difference between amv70 and amv90 was four sub xlr instead of two. And different DAC chip.... I only need two sub outs. The Anthem-avm-70 comes next week or two to norway.... And I have the posibillity too hear it on my same speakers as home.... Trouble with emotiva is that if anything happens its a Long way to USA. While with Anthem-avm-70 is one hour drive..... We don’t know “how” Anthem is approaching their version of a “balanced” output and may be quite different than how Emotiva does. There’s also a much bigger difference between the AVM70 and the AVM90 than just additional subwoofer outputs and better DACs. The analog stages between the two are also (supposedly) entirely different. The XMC-2 is also fully balanced on all channels, but not in the same way as the RMC-1 or RMC-1L. Sixteen individual DACs running in “dual mono” mode are a more expensive solution. But that long trip to the USA would be a serious consideration (and possibly the deciding factor) if I were the one making the decision. There’s much to be said for having local service in the event it’s needed. A huge question to myself would then be how long am I willing to be without it...?
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Post by Soup on Jan 6, 2021 18:21:22 GMT -5
I would go with the local choice for ease of service and repair if necessary.........
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Post by Lsc on Jan 6, 2021 19:37:11 GMT -5
The Anthem-avm-70 is supposedly fully balansed..... The only difference between amv70 and amv90 was four sub xlr instead of two. And different DAC chip.... I only need two sub outs. The Anthem-avm-70 comes next week or two to norway.... And I have the posibillity too hear it on my same speakers as home.... Trouble with emotiva is that if anything happens its a Long way to USA. While with Anthem-avm-70 is one hour drive..... Are you able to get the Monoprice HTP1? If not I’m sure the AVM70 would be a great processor with ARC. I believe ARC has always included bass management. As much as I like Emotiva and own the XMC2 (and almost recently pulled the trigger on the RMC1L), there is no indication of what their future is with their processors. And if you are looking to get an Emotiva processor, I’d recommend the XMC2 over the others. I didn’t get the RMC1L because the more I thought about it, the more I’d be irritated if there no was perceived improvement in sound quality. The front 3 channels are balanced using mono mode so stereo performance is identical. Question with surrounds balanced in mono mode, yes they are superior to balanced in stereo mode. But is it noticeable? I haven’t heard anyone say, yes it’s a tremendous improvement and you should buy the RMC1L. It’s not an insignificant difference in price. The front panel? Both processors won’t win any beauty awards. I’m running the XMC2 with fully balanced amp for the front 3 and have the Revel F228Be as main speakers. Especially with my last Dirac run, I’m very confident that sonically the XMC2 won’t be the weak link. In fact, with Dirac the XMC2 sounds so transparent, I’m blown away with the sound quality every time I listen to music and movies...it’s ridiculous - no complaints about the sound quality. Only concern with the XMC2 is future support and updates. I think the best choice would be the HTP1 at $3999 but any of these other choices are great choices and support is a definite consideration.
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Post by assy74 on Jan 6, 2021 22:29:29 GMT -5
I am not so worried about a pre-prosessor really. It is worse with a power amp.... My old xmc1 have been flawless 😁 IT now serves its purpose in my living room as a stereo unit, and the stereo sound is quite impressive really! But not as a suround prosessor anymore.... I curently have a yamaha cx5200 which works pretty good. But I suspect rmc1 or Anthem-avm-70 Will be better in my cinema 😁
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Post by Lsc on Jan 7, 2021 2:09:19 GMT -5
I am not so worried about a pre-prosessor really. It is worse with a power amp.... My old xmc1 have been flawless 😁 IT now serves its purpose in my living room as a stereo unit, and the stereo sound is quite impressive really! But not as a suround prosessor anymore.... I curently have a yamaha cx5200 which works pretty good. But I suspect rmc1 or Anthem-avm-70 Will be better in my cinema 😁 I think that may be a correct statement. What sounds better for movies, the XMC1 or the Yamaha?
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Post by assy74 on Jan 7, 2021 21:16:15 GMT -5
I would say they are equal in stereo music.... But in movies Yamaha crushes the xmc1.
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Post by Casey Leedom on Jan 7, 2021 21:49:18 GMT -5
One thing that the Anthem AVM-70 and AVM-90 processors are missing are any Balanced XLR Inputs. It's devilishly hard to find A/V processors with this. There's Emotiva's XMC-2, RMC-1L, and RMC-1. There's McIntosh's MX123 and MX170. There's AudioControl's Maestro X7 and X9. And that's about it. (And you have to be careful since some processors offer a Balanced XLR input, but then digitize it. See the Lyngdorf MP-60 for instance.)
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Post by Lsc on Jan 8, 2021 1:31:18 GMT -5
One thing that the Anthem AVM-70 and AVM-90 processors are missing are any Balanced XLR Inputs. It's devilishly hard to find A/V processors with this. There's Emotiva's XMC-2, RMC-1L, and RMC-1. There's McIntosh's MX123 and MX170. There's AudioControl's Maestro X7 and X9. And that's about it. (And you have to be careful since some processors offer a Balanced XLR input, but then digitize it. See the Lyngdorf MP-60 for instance.) Casey This is true but people who went from the RMC1 to HTP1 all say that the HTP1 sounds better. But if you must have a balanced input then agree that the choices are limited.
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Post by creimes on Jan 8, 2021 13:19:12 GMT -5
I would say they are equal in stereo music.... But in movies Yamaha crushes the xmc1. This is a prime example to how hard it can be to recommend a product, myself owning Yamaha, Marantz, Anthem, Sherbourn and Emotiva receivers and/or processors my XMC-1 and XMC-2 are by far the best sounding units I have owned, for 2ch use in Reference Stereo mode there isn't even much of a comparison, my Marantz 7702 sounded horrible for music and the Anthem would be runner up to my XMC-1, my Yamaha and Marantz units sounded dull in comparison, even my older Sherbourn PT-7020 sounded much more detailed and dynamic, I will admit though my system is used more for 2ch playback which is very important to me. Of course all this matters largely on our ears, room and speakers, I have some Polk speakers that don't sound any different no matter what I connect to them haha. so as always our mileage will always vary lol. Chad
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Post by assy74 on Jan 11, 2021 22:50:57 GMT -5
I have dali epicon 6 which are very good speakers.... 13000$ in the us i think.... Have dr2 ON them with the xmc1 and it sounds Nice 😁 The yamaha cx5200 is their TOP model, But there was not much difference. Bass was identical. In the highs the yamaha was a bit fresher. Xmc1 more natural, But Just subtile difference. They both sounded Great. But in movies there was more detail in the yamaha of course.... But IT has newer decoding, so No supprice there.....
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Post by markc on Jan 13, 2021 9:37:43 GMT -5
Since there are as of yet no AVM70s in users hands, and since Anthem has released only minimal information, no one will be able to give you an objective answer. But I will say that a more leveled price comparison would be the AVM70 versus the XMC-2. The RMC-1L is fully balanced (true inverted signals) using independent DACs on all 16 channels, has twin displays and uses a multi-point controller which, all combined, leads to its higher price. The RMC-1L may be better compared to the AVM90. Personally, I own the RMC-1L and have had no concerning issues with it, but I waited until its firmware was what I considered to be stable enough to use in my system before I purchased it. I also have great respect for Anthem. Which is "better" would be open to subjective opinion, but who gets issues resolved quicker really isn't and may be worth considering. But if the AVM70 simply works, since it has very competent signal paths and DAC's, wouldn't that automatically make it better than both the XMC-2 and RMC-1 &RMC-1L?
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Post by tchaik on Jan 13, 2021 13:26:52 GMT -5
Since there are as of yet no AVM70s in users hands, and since Anthem has released only minimal information, no one will be able to give you an objective answer. But I will say that a more leveled price comparison would be the AVM70 versus the XMC-2. The RMC-1L is fully balanced (true inverted signals) using independent DACs on all 16 channels, has twin displays and uses a multi-point controller which, all combined, leads to its higher price. The RMC-1L may be better compared to the AVM90. Personally, I own the RMC-1L and have had no concerning issues with it, but I waited until its firmware was what I considered to be stable enough to use in my system before I purchased it. I also have great respect for Anthem. Which is "better" would be open to subjective opinion, but who gets issues resolved quicker really isn't and may be worth considering. But if the AVM70 simply works, since it has very competent signal paths and DAC's, wouldn't that automatically make it better than both the XMC-2 and RMC-1 &RMC-1L? I think better or worse can be defined on a multiple of levels: for example: 1. sound quality 2. operational stability 3. ease of setup 4. ease of use 5. less buggy for me, sound quality is the most important issue and for that matter I was confident the RMC-1L would be my best choice. I have not compared the others, but emotiva considers sound quality it's first and foremost objective. as for the other issues, maybe anthem might be better, I don't know. you will have to decide. Who knows, maybe even the anthem sound quality could be as good or better. only you can decide. good luck on your decision tchaik............
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Post by assy74 on Jan 13, 2021 13:43:43 GMT -5
An objektive comparison would of course be Nice. We all want the best sound We can get 😁 Best off all would be a trial at home..... Not easy from norway. But have been really satisfied with emotiva products so far 😁
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Post by Lsc on Jan 13, 2021 14:06:21 GMT -5
I just don’t see the AVM70 breaking any new ground so I’m not too excited about the release of that unit. Meaning it’s not a unit I’d sell my XMC2 to get.
Unlike the Monoprice HTP1 that’s been on my radar.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 13, 2021 14:59:30 GMT -5
I'm not quite clear on what you mean by "competent signal paths and DACs"...
Do you mean that the right sounds come out of the correct channels?
Or are you suggesting that they carefully followed engineering best practices when laying out signal paths? (If so, are you basing that claim on a careful analysis of their designs, or merely on what they claim in their product brochure?)
Or do you mean that it has good specifications? (If so which ones?)
And do you have a personal preference for the brand and type of DAC they chose? (If so... do you have some specific reason for preferring that one?)
Or do you mean that it actually sounds good?
(And, if so, have you heard it, or is that claim based on the specs, or are you taking someone else's word for it?)
Not everybody has the same priorities. For example, if you want to see truly impressive industrial design, check out some Bose products. Most Bose products are intuitive, simple to operate, and quite reliable. (Every Bose product I've ever owned or tried out did exactly what I expected it to do...)
Often Bose products are quite literally "textbook examples" of "competent design" and even "great design".
They also tend to be somewhat expensive. And, by the way, they tend to sound "OK", but almost never sound especially good. (That's not a knock... getting the best possible sound quality is simply not a priority for their target market.)
Since there are as of yet no AVM70s in users hands, and since Anthem has released only minimal information, no one will be able to give you an objective answer. But I will say that a more leveled price comparison would be the AVM70 versus the XMC-2. The RMC-1L is fully balanced (true inverted signals) using independent DACs on all 16 channels, has twin displays and uses a multi-point controller which, all combined, leads to its higher price. The RMC-1L may be better compared to the AVM90. Personally, I own the RMC-1L and have had no concerning issues with it, but I waited until its firmware was what I considered to be stable enough to use in my system before I purchased it. I also have great respect for Anthem. Which is "better" would be open to subjective opinion, but who gets issues resolved quicker really isn't and may be worth considering. But if the AVM70 simply works, since it has very competent signal paths and DAC's, wouldn't that automatically make it better than both the XMC-2 and RMC-1 &RMC-1L?
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Post by foggy1956 on Jan 13, 2021 19:31:24 GMT -5
I'm not quite clear on what you mean by "competent signal paths and DACs"...
Do you mean that the right sounds come out of the correct channels?
Or are you suggesting that they carefully followed engineering best practices when laying out signal paths? (If so, are you basing that claim on a careful analysis of their designs, or merely on what they claim in their product brochure?)
Or do you mean that it has good specifications? (If so which ones?)
And do you have a personal preference for the brand and type of DAC they chose? (If so... do you have some specific reason for preferring that one?)
Or do you mean that it actually sounds good?
(And, if so, have you heard it, or is that claim based on the specs, or are you taking someone else's word for it?)
Not everybody has the same priorities. For example, if you want to see truly impressive industrial design, check out some Bose products. Most Bose products are intuitive, simple to operate, and quite reliable. (Every Bose product I've ever owned or tried out did exactly what I expected it to do...)
Often Bose products are quite literally "textbook examples" of "competent design" and even "great design".
They also tend to be somewhat expensive. And, by the way, they tend to sound "OK", but almost never sound especially good. (That's not a knock... getting the best possible sound quality is simply not a priority for their target market.)
But if the AVM70 simply works, since it has very competent signal paths and DAC's, wouldn't that automatically make it better than both the XMC-2 and RMC-1 &RMC-1L? I think his emphasis was on SIMPLY WORKS
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