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Post by leonski on Jan 23, 2021 16:46:03 GMT -5
I've been corrected numerous times on grammar and spelling. I'm not quite spelling-impaired, but close. I try to learn and do better....
I see references to 2 things which are NOT.
First? Artivicial Intelligence. It doesn't exist But I'll leave that for an offlline discussion, if anyone cares. Expert? YES. Intelligent? NO.
Second? Room Correction. If a system did room correction, I'd expect to wake up one morning and find it had moved the furniture. but as it is? These 'expert' systems (at best) will correct speaker curves / amplitude and phasing. Leaving the room untouched.
I know this is a tech crowd, so I'll leave self-driving cars to another time. We (the industry) are on about step 2 or 3 of what is considered a 6 step progression.
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Post by DYohn on Jan 23, 2021 19:27:54 GMT -5
Yea, and what's another word for Thesaurus?
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Post by DYohn on Jan 23, 2021 19:29:12 GMT -5
And is it machine learning if I read a text book on my Kindle?
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Post by leonski on Jan 23, 2021 20:52:38 GMT -5
DY? What's the problem? Words have meaning. If a 'machine' were really intelligent, you could have a conversation with it that would make sense. The TURING test, may still be valid. Room correction is a misnomer, but rather system correction. Room correction sounds, cooler, though.....no question about it. Just like virtually everyone conflates 'sensitivity' for 'efficiency', Related, to be sure, but not expressed the same. If your pet robot made use of your Kindle? That would be machine learning. As it is, most of these programs are 'Expert', not 'intelligent. Pretty neat article: www.umsl.edu/~joshik/msis480/chapt11.htm
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Post by Ex_Vintage on Jan 23, 2021 22:23:32 GMT -5
DY? What's the problem? Words have meaning. If a 'machine' were really intelligent, you could have a conversation with it that would make sense. The TURING test, may still be valid. Room correction is a misnomer, but rather system correction. Room correction sounds, cooler, though.....no question about it. Just like virtually everyone conflates 'sensitivity' for 'efficiency', Related, to be sure, but not expressed the same. If your pet robot made use of your Kindle? That would be machine learning. As it is, most of these programs are 'Expert', not 'intelligent. Pretty neat article: www.umsl.edu/~joshik/msis480/chapt11.htmIts kind of like seat belt. The belt is not really for the seat, but people get it.
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Post by DYohn on Jan 24, 2021 10:15:01 GMT -5
People who think sensitivity and efficiency are the same thing are the same sorts of people who think cryogenically treated fuses impact the sound from their amplifiers. Or that solid state electronics must be mounted on rubber to reduce the sonic micro-vibrations from disrupting the electron flow through their op amps.
(by the way I am just having fun on this thread. You did title it "red herring.")
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Post by pedrocols on Jan 24, 2021 12:10:19 GMT -5
Machines for sure are very good at math....
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Post by 405x5 on Jan 24, 2021 12:32:19 GMT -5
I've been corrected numerous times on grammar and spelling. I'm not quite spelling-impaired, but close. I try to learn and do better.... I see references to 2 things which are NOT. First? Artivicial Intelligence. It doesn't exist But I'll leave that for an offlline discussion, if anyone cares. Expert? YES. Intelligent? NO. Second? Room Correction. If a system did room correction, I'd expect to wake up one morning and find it had moved the furniture. but as it is? These 'expert' systems (at best) will correct speaker curves / amplitude and phasing. Leaving the room untouched. I know this is a tech crowd, so I'll leave self-driving cars to another time. We (the industry) are on about step 2 or 3 of what is considered a 6 step progression. I don’t need a self driving car.....I can drive myself crazy without it
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Post by leonski on Jan 24, 2021 13:44:41 GMT -5
DY? What's the problem? Words have meaning. If a 'machine' were really intelligent, you could have a conversation with it that would make sense. The TURING test, may still be valid. Room correction is a misnomer, but rather system correction. Room correction sounds, cooler, though.....no question about it. Just like virtually everyone conflates 'sensitivity' for 'efficiency', Related, to be sure, but not expressed the same. If your pet robot made use of your Kindle? That would be machine learning. As it is, most of these programs are 'Expert', not 'intelligent. Pretty neat article: www.umsl.edu/~joshik/msis480/chapt11.htmIts kind of like seat belt. The belt is not really for the seat, but people get it. LOL< and you're right!
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Post by leonski on Jan 24, 2021 13:48:40 GMT -5
People who think sensitivity and efficiency are the same thing are the same sorts of people who think cryogenically treated fuses impact the sound from their amplifiers. Or that solid state electronics must be mounted on rubber to reduce the sonic micro-vibrations from disrupting the electron flow through their op amps. (by the way I am just having fun on this thread. You did title it "red herring.") Actually, I had proposed a test for this. Take 2 identialc circuits. I'd start with Capacitors, which are said to be vibration prone and test with a scope till you can null a pair to within say.....60db down. Put ONE of the parts in an enclosure with a loud speaker. Play it loudly while repeating the test. Difference in outcome will be caused by vibratin of the cap 'in the box'...... I think the Cryo fuse / wire thing is funny. And don't forget to install it facing the right way.
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Post by DYohn on Jan 24, 2021 14:40:33 GMT -5
By the way my Tesla is capable of self-driving, but I am afraid it means it will drive itself insane so i never use the function.
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Post by knucklehead on Jan 24, 2021 18:16:35 GMT -5
I don’t need a self driving car.....I can drive myself crazy without it Is it a short drive for you too?
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Post by leonski on Jan 24, 2021 20:48:22 GMT -5
'Self Driving' cars is yet another wrong term. Research will show there are 6 levels from NO automation, thru completely autonomous......go to sleep in the back seat and the car will wake you at your destination. Cruise control may be an example of 'level 1' control. With NO codos to Musk, his cars are NOT level 6 capable. www.cars.com/articles/autonomous-driving-levels-and-what-they-mean-to-you-424979/Article calls out 'Zero thru Five' while I'm partial to 'One thru Six'.......Same difference. I laughed myself silly in that scene of some bad movie where the guy was driving the motorhome, and got up to get a beer.......He had enabled 'cruise control' and decided he could let it drive itself......
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Post by DYohn on Jan 24, 2021 22:01:17 GMT -5
Not level 6 capable yet. Yet is the operative word
Now let’s talk about “jumbo shrimp.”
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Post by leonski on Jan 24, 2021 23:27:06 GMT -5
Not level 6 capable yet. Yet is the operative word Now let’s talk about “jumbo shrimp.” Jumbo Shrimp may actually be one of those 'imponderables'.....Maybe like 'Military Intelligence' or some others and while yet is true, what kind of time frame are we talking? aircraft have had autopilot for quite a while, but it took massive processing power to make a 'takeoff to landing' system even possible. Making it work might not be the biggest problem. Training for the operators. And acceptance both legal and BY those operators. I know people that do not use cruise control. I'll bet the Insurance Industry will have some input here, too..... I drove most of 120 miles today using cruise. and got abut 35mpg as a result. At 70mph. I wanted to Add one thing. Airplanes have had autopilot for a long time 100 years? Longer? Even prior to WWI Sperry was experimenting and had limited working systems Fast Forward to today. Boeing 737 Max is having some major problems associated with auto pilot. A system which has been under development for over a century. Cars are not as daunting a task, but still must NOT fail.
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Post by DYohn on Jan 25, 2021 9:54:37 GMT -5
Not to rain on your parade but self-driving cars (or, if you prefer, "driverless cars") are already here and operating on public roads. See Waymo. I have ridden in one.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 25, 2021 11:54:24 GMT -5
But would that be "the right way" in the circuit... or "the right way" as in "resting along a North-South ley line"?
Capacitors are... interesting... Some capacitors actually sing (they actually play high level audio from the surface like a speaker - due to the internal foils vibrating). However MOST capacitors don't vibrate and aren't affected by reasonable levels of vibration in any audible way. People who think sensitivity and efficiency are the same thing are the same sorts of people who think cryogenically treated fuses impact the sound from their amplifiers. Or that solid state electronics must be mounted on rubber to reduce the sonic micro-vibrations from disrupting the electron flow through their op amps. (by the way I am just having fun on this thread. You did title it "red herring.") Actually, I had proposed a test for this. Take 2 identialc circuits. I'd start with Capacitors, which are said to be vibration prone and test with a scope till you can null a pair to within say.....60db down. Put ONE of the parts in an enclosure with a loud speaker. Play it loudly while repeating the test. Difference in outcome will be caused by vibratin of the cap 'in the box'...... I think the Cryo fuse / wire thing is funny. And don't forget to install it facing the right way.
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Post by KeithL on Jan 25, 2021 12:06:49 GMT -5
Indeed... and some interesting questions have been raised...
For example, many "autonomous cars" are capable of driving themselves under ordinary conditions... And that means that they can generally detect pedestrians or trees in the road... However the question remains of how immune they are from being deliberately tricked.
(Remember when Wile E Coyote painted the tunnel on the side of the cliff, and directed the double yellow line to it, in those old cartoons...?)
Not to rain on your parade but self-driving cars (or, if you prefer, "driverless cars") are already here and operating on public roads. See Waymo. I have ridden in one.
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Post by garbulky on Jan 25, 2021 12:17:29 GMT -5
'Self Driving' cars is yet another wrong term. Research will show there are 6 levels from NO automation, thru completely autonomous......go to sleep in the back seat and the car will wake you at your destination. Cruise control may be an example of 'level 1' control. With NO codos to Musk, his cars are NOT level 6 capable. www.cars.com/articles/autonomous-driving-levels-and-what-they-mean-to-you-424979/Article calls out 'Zero thru Five' while I'm partial to 'One thru Six'.......Same difference. I laughed myself silly in that scene of some bad movie where the guy was driving the motorhome, and got up to get a beer.......He had enabled 'cruise control' and decided he could let it drive itself...... Self-driving car is an accurate term. If the car can sense the environment, operate, steering, brake, acceleration, and gears and get the user from one point to another point of some sort, it is self-driving. Of course as you mentioned there are different levels of this. You are considering self-driving as the driver could be blindfolded or not even in the driver's seat and the car can handle everything related to the road for as long as needed both legally and safely without ever needing intervention. Which is what most people think. But if the car CAN drive itself it is self-driving, regardless of whether a person is legally required to supervise it or whether it doesn't drive itself all that well and makes lots of mistakes. I think cruise control technically does offer some version of self-driving but since it cannot control the steering and in most cases the brake pedal, I don't think it should count as self-driving. More like "driver assist"
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Post by DYohn on Jan 25, 2021 12:56:57 GMT -5
re: "self driving" cruise controls. A true story. I owned a 2006 MBZ CLS500. I bought it because I loved the design and it was a lot of fun to drive. It had a semi-autonomous cruise control system in which it would sense vehicles in front and maintain a safe distance by reducing speed. It also had a collision avoidance system in which it could cut engine power and apply the brakes if it sensed an imminent collision. Many other cars have similar features - I'm sure you've all seem the TV commercials if you haven't owned one. Anyway in my Benzo the system malfunctioned so that any time I activated the cruise control the car would go into a panic stop mode as if it was going to crash into something, even if the highway in front of me was free and clear for miles. There is nothing quite like hitting cruise at 80 and having the car go into loud alarms of imminent danger and hit the brakes hard to skid to a stop. Fun one time, perhaps, but not something you want to happen regularly. After seven dealer attempts to fix the problem including a wholesale replacement of the electronics systems in the car, to no avail, I gave it back to the dealer. It's too bad, it was a nice car otherwise.
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