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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 1, 2021 16:27:19 GMT -5
OK, let me ask another question. If I understand the manual correctly, I must set my front towers to small to change the crossovers permanently. If set to large and changed, the changes will be undone when I power down and not present anymore? Thank you Speakers set to large do not have cross-overs, page 56 of the manual
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 1, 2021 16:47:04 GMT -5
OK, let me ask another question. If I understand the manual correctly, I must set my front towers to small to change the crossovers permanently. If set to large and changed, the changes will be undone when I power down and not present anymore? Thank you On my xmc-2 the cross-over frequency remains at the level it was set the next time the speaker is set to small.
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Post by fequois on Feb 3, 2021 5:22:11 GMT -5
OK, let me ask another question. If I understand the manual correctly, I must set my front towers to small to change the crossovers permanently. If set to large and changed, the changes will be undone when I power down and not present anymore? Thank you On my xmc-2 the cross-over frequency remains at the level it was set the next time the speaker is set to small. Pretty sure that functionality doesn't work properly, though, because when I set my fronts as large (with the same crossover) I lose pretty much all lower pressure.
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 3, 2021 7:43:05 GMT -5
On my xmc-2 the cross-over frequency remains at the level it was set the next time the speaker is set to small. Pretty sure that functionality doesn't work properly, though, because when I set my fronts as large (with the same crossover) I lose pretty much all lower pressure. There is no cross-over when speakers are set to large, if you are losing pressure it is probably because your speakers can't drive the low end.
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Post by fequois on Feb 3, 2021 14:02:51 GMT -5
Pretty sure that functionality doesn't work properly, though, because when I set my fronts as large (with the same crossover) I lose pretty much all lower pressure. There is no cross-over when speakers are set to large, if you are losing pressure it is probably because your speakers can't drive the low end. But that is contrary to what the manual states. It does say if you have a subwoofer set as LFE there will be bass management and you set the crossover by switching to small, setting them, and switching back to large. I might be missing part of a conversation, perhaps, so I apologise if that's the case.
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 3, 2021 15:00:24 GMT -5
There is no cross-over when speakers are set to large, if you are losing pressure it is probably because your speakers can't drive the low end. But that is contrary to what the manual states. It does say if you have a subwoofer set as LFE there will be bass management and you set the crossover by switching to small, setting them, and switching back to large. I might be missing part of a conversation, perhaps, so I apologise if that's the case. Ok, good luck
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Post by fequois on Feb 3, 2021 15:07:54 GMT -5
But that is contrary to what the manual states. It does say if you have a subwoofer set as LFE there will be bass management and you set the crossover by switching to small, setting them, and switching back to large. I might be missing part of a conversation, perhaps, so I apologise if that's the case. Ok, good luck Not sure what you mean by saying that. All I'm saying is that I think the crossover settings might not work as expected. I have mine set to small and have no problem with it.
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 3, 2021 15:28:44 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by saying that. All I'm saying is that I think the crossover settings might not work as expected. I have mine set to small and have no problem with it. I am saying that if you choose not to listen, then good luck with figuring it out.
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Post by fequois on Feb 3, 2021 15:37:34 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by saying that. All I'm saying is that I think the crossover settings might not work as expected. I have mine set to small and have no problem with it. I am saying that if you choose not to listen, then good luck with figuring it out. I'm sorry if I don't understand you/the manual correctly. I'm not being stupid on purpose. As per the manual: "IN ADDITION, bass from all main speakers configured as large (including the center channel) is also routed to your sub or subs. (The range of frequencies which is shared with other speakers by speakers set to Large is still controlled by their configured crossover frequency. The default setting for this is 80 Hz, but it may be changed by temporarily setting each speaker to Small, and then adjusting the Crossover Frequency setting associated with it.)" What do I misunderstand here? If you can spare a minute, I'd appreciate it if you could explain.
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 3, 2021 15:40:40 GMT -5
I am saying that if you choose not to listen, then good luck with figuring it out. I'm sorry if I don't understand you/the manual correctly. I'm not being stupid on purpose. As per the manual: "IN ADDITION, bass from all main speakers configured as large (including the center channel) is also routed to your sub or subs. (The range of frequencies which is shared with other speakers by speakers set to Large is still controlled by their configured crossover frequency. The default setting for this is 80 Hz, but it may be changed by temporarily setting each speaker to Small, and then adjusting the Crossover Frequency setting associated with it.)" What do I misunderstand here? If you can spare a minute, I'd appreciate it if you could explain. Let me find where you are reading that statement but bottom line is with a 2.0 source and speakers set to large there will be nothing output by the sub.
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Post by doc1963 on Feb 3, 2021 15:46:14 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by saying that. All I'm saying is that I think the crossover settings might not work as expected. I have mine set to small and have no problem with it. That doesn't quite make sense... Only a single sub connected to the "Center Subwoofer" output can be designated as "LFE" and will not contain redirected bass content from any other speakers designated as "small". This is from the manual... "The RMC-1 has three outputs designated for connecting subwoofers. These can be configuredin a number of ways, depending on the number of subwoofers you have, the number of height speakers you have, and your bass management preferences.
The Center Sub output may be configured as either LFE, Mono, or None. The Left/Right Subs may be configured as either Mono, Dual Mono, Height Speakers, or None.
If the Center Sub is configured as LFE, then all Low Frequency Effects (LFE) content from surround sound sources will be routed directly to the Center Sub, LFE content will NOT be routed to the other subs, and no content will be routed to the Center Sub by the bass management system.
The Dolby Atmos consumer standard only specifies a single subwoofer channel. This channel contains the sum of any content that originates in the Low Frequency Effects (LFE) channel of surround sound material, and any low frequency content that is routed to the subs by the bass management system. This channel is then distributed to however many subwoofers you have configured. (Each subwoofer may be calibrated and adjusted separately, but they all receive the same content, in what would be considered “mono”, “dual mono”, or “triple mono”.)
However, because some users prefer to use different subwoofers for music and for movies, we have included an extra option that provides significantly more flexibility.
If you connect any combination of one, two, or three subwoofers to the appropriate outputs, and configure those outputs as Mono or Dual Mono, all of your subs will be treated equally, and will be used for both LFE content and content directed to your sub by the bass management system.
However, by connecting one subwoofer to the Center Sub output, and then configuring that output as LFE, you may instruct the RMC-1 to use that subwoofer exclusively for LFE content. That sub, in effect, becomes your “low frequency effects speaker” for movies. All LFE content is routed only to that sub, and any low frequency content that is redirected from any other channels by the bass management system is routed to your OTHER sub or subs."So, if you have only one subwoofer connected to the "Center Sub" output and have that output configured as "LFE", then you get nothing from bass management. If you configure that same output as "Mono", you get the LFE channel as well as the redirected bass from all speakers configured as "small" through bass management.
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Post by geebo on Feb 3, 2021 15:47:30 GMT -5
I'm sorry if I don't understand you/the manual correctly. I'm not being stupid on purpose. As per the manual: "IN ADDITION, bass from all main speakers configured as large (including the center channel) is also routed to your sub or subs. (The range of frequencies which is shared with other speakers by speakers set to Large is still controlled by their configured crossover frequency. The default setting for this is 80 Hz, but it may be changed by temporarily setting each speaker to Small, and then adjusting the Crossover Frequency setting associated with it.)" What do I misunderstand here? If you can spare a minute, I'd appreciate it if you could explain. Let me find where you are reading that statement but bottom line is with a 2.0 source and speakers set to large there will be nothing output by the sub. Unless you choose Enhanced Bass.
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 3, 2021 15:51:38 GMT -5
I am saying that if you choose not to listen, then good luck with figuring it out. I'm sorry if I don't understand you/the manual correctly. I'm not being stupid on purpose. As per the manual: "IN ADDITION, bass from all main speakers configured as large (including the center channel) is also routed to your sub or subs. (The range of frequencies which is shared with other speakers by speakers set to Large is still controlled by their configured crossover frequency. The default setting for this is 80 Hz, but it may be changed by temporarily setting each speaker to Small, and then adjusting the Crossover Frequency setting associated with it.)" What do I misunderstand here? If you can spare a minute, I'd appreciate it if you could explain. What you are quoting is under the enhanced base section, whole different animal. Not sure if they got enhanced base working but I believe at one point there were known issues with the implementation. I find no need to toy with it in my system.
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Post by fequois on Feb 4, 2021 5:13:48 GMT -5
*facepalm* Yes, you're absolutely right. I was thinking of the Enhanced Bass setting, and that's also what I meant above as might not be working as intended... I just didn't remember that particular but oh-so-important tidbit of information. I'm sorry for derailing this thread, and thanks to all of you for clarifying. Edit: foggy1956 I agree and have it disabled, too (fronts are set to small). I have played around with it, though, because I'm at a loss on how to fix the low frequencies in my room so have tried and keep trying anything I can think of.
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Post by Dreamer on Feb 4, 2021 19:50:45 GMT -5
Someone(doc1963)( thanks for the help) earlier quoted from the RMC-1, as I stated I am using the XMC-2......
Now I am really confused, but thanks to everyone that chimed in to help!
I have all speakers, 2 front towers, 2 back bookshelf & a center set to small. I went into the settings menu to each speaker and adjusted it's crossover setting. The subwoofer is set to mono (only mono or none were offered as choices) Bass Management is engaged. I saw no LFE option.
Are my settings correct? Does engaging Bass Management take away the "LFE" option?
Thanks again
Please be patient with me, if Dirac were easy I would use it......maybe
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Post by geebo on Feb 4, 2021 20:32:40 GMT -5
Someone(doc1963)( thanks for the help) earlier quoted from the RMC-1, as I stated I am using the XMC-2...... Now I am really confused, but thanks to everyone that chimed in to help! I have all speakers, 2 front towers, 2 back bookshelf & a center set to small. I went into the settings menu to each speaker and adjusted it's crossover setting. The subwoofer is set to mono (only mono or none were offered as choices) Bass Management is engaged. I saw no LFE option. Are my settings correct? Does engaging Bass Management take away the "LFE" option? Thanks again Please be patient with me, if Dirac were easy I would use it......maybe The LFE option is only available at the Center sub output. And I think you must have another sub connected for bass management OR have your mains set to large.
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Post by foggy1956 on Feb 4, 2021 21:12:16 GMT -5
Someone(doc1963)( thanks for the help) earlier quoted from the RMC-1, as I stated I am using the XMC-2...... Now I am really confused, but thanks to everyone that chimed in to help! I have all speakers, 2 front towers, 2 back bookshelf & a center set to small. I went into the settings menu to each speaker and adjusted it's crossover setting. The subwoofer is set to mono (only mono or none were offered as choices) Bass Management is engaged. I saw no LFE option. Are my settings correct? Does engaging Bass Management take away the "LFE" option? Thanks again Please be patient with me, if Dirac were easy I would use it......maybe I have my towers set to large but they are capable of digging deep, all other speakers are set to small with cross-overs set between 80 & 120 depending on capability, center sub is set to mono but LFE does show as an option. Mono setting allows both LFE and bass management to be sent to subs for speakers set as small.
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Post by ttocs on Feb 4, 2021 21:33:45 GMT -5
Someone(doc1963)( thanks for the help) earlier quoted from the RMC-1, as I stated I am using the XMC-2...... Now I am really confused, but thanks to everyone that chimed in to help! I have all speakers, 2 front towers, 2 back bookshelf & a center set to small. I went into the settings menu to each speaker and adjusted it's crossover setting. The subwoofer is set to mono (only mono or none were offered as choices) Bass Management is engaged. I saw no LFE option. Are my settings correct? Does engaging Bass Management take away the "LFE" option? Thanks again Please be patient with me, if Dirac were easy I would use it......maybe Just like geebo said, the system needs a subwoofer setup as Mono or Speakers setup as Large before the LFE option will show up for the Center Sub. Then is when Bass Management will send the bass for all Small speakers to the Mono Subwoofer, or Large Speakers if there is no other Subwoofer. Setting up any speaker as Large should not be considered if they cannot easily produce bass at or below 30Hz. (Dolby Spec is 31.5Hz) If Center Sub is not setup for LFE, then LFE - the .1 channel in movies - will be sent to all subwoofers setup as Mono or Dual Mono depending on number of subs and connections used.
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