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Post by dvouss on Apr 4, 2021 19:07:37 GMT -5
I Have been a fan of Emotiva gear for over a decade and only recently have been able to afford some of the "higher end" gear. I bought a RMC-1...sounded amazing!...for three days. Then no audio. Sent it back and opted for a more "proven" XMC-2. Again...awesome sound. Went to show off my modest $50k theater setup to some friends, can I count on the XMC-2 doing what it is supposed to do? Nope. No sound. Looks like the same death that the RMC-1 suffered. At this point I am so soured on the whole thing that I am about to liquidate all of my Emotiva gear just so I don't have to look at it. The RMC-1 and XMC-1 are marketed as direct competitors to the NAD m17V2 and the like, but look at all the money you save! Right. I had a NADM17A2. Every time I pressed the power button, it cam on and performed. No surprises. Maybe I am just getting old, but at this point I feel that it is well worth the 1500 to 2k price point difference to not have to wrestle and "trick" the processor into doing what it is supposed to do. I have always wanted to see "American" smaller companies like Emotiva be successful in their battle against more prominent and established brands, competition is good. It is a good thing that none of the professional reviewers have lived with one of the Emotiva processors long term or it is very likely that their opinions would not be as glowing.
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 4, 2021 21:32:48 GMT -5
Reads to me like a Troll 😈 is well on the loose here......
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Post by creimes on Apr 4, 2021 22:12:41 GMT -5
Reads to me like a Troll 😈 is well on the loose here...... Or someone is tired of the issues, I'm happy I'm still 1080p, seems 4K can be an issue for some. |
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Post by dvouss on Apr 4, 2021 22:58:58 GMT -5
Not sure which part of the above came off as a trollish in nature, as that was not my intent. I have a simple system, one hdmi in, one hdmi out. 5.1 system with 4 atmos ceiling speakers. Just as an update, I was able to get everything up and running again. The magic "unplug it for 30 minutes" did the trick. Is this acceptable? It reminds me of a conversation that I once had with a friend. This gentleman procured a new McLaren 720s for the low low price of $350k. The alarm would intermittently go off for 30 minutes at a time during the middle of the night, the door would sometimes pop open on its own, and sometimes the key fob wouldn't work. The gentleman explained that all of these things were annoying but acceptable because of all of the other things the vehicle did so well. This is where I was at with the XMC-2. Slow HDMI cycling or source determination? meh, no big deal. Random pops and clicks? not a problem because it sounds so awesome! However, having to come back in an hour and hope that I can watch a movie would fall outside that category in my mind. Emotiva is not McLaren but what if the car decided when it would start? Still acceptable?
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Post by boomzilla on Apr 4, 2021 23:01:34 GMT -5
Reads to me like a Troll 😈 is well on the loose here...... Really? I thought that the poster stated his facts without excessive drama. if this post were unique, I'd agree that it could be a troll, but there have been repeated and ongoing complaints about Emotiva AV processors - features that don't work at all - features that don't work right - reliability problems - Etc. Are they ALL trolls? If reliability is a high priority, the Japanese got there first, and have only increased their lead over time. Do the Emotiva products sound better? Probably, but I'd think the difference significantly less than when Emotiva first got into the AV market. I understand that the Emo-Fanboys wouldn't have anything else - but for the savvy consumer, where do YOU think Emotiva stands in the AV market relative to their competition (particularly weighting the reliability category)? Note that these comments apply ONLY to the high-end models of Emotiva AV gear. I think that Emotiva's BasX line is absolutely unbeatable. But that's my opinion; that and an extra buck will get you a cup of McCoffee. But claiming that the top-of-the-line AV processors from Emotiva have been "highly reliable," or even "adequately reliable" seems a legitimately questionable claim. I'd also point out that no data has been shared by Emotiva comparing their product reliability versus that of competing brands. Of course, Yamaha, Sony, Denon, and others offer no such comparisons either - but maybe they don't think they have to. Calling someone with legitimate complaints a "Troll" is a sure way to drive off even more business. I'd contend that when problems are encountered with a product, it's a public service to discuss those problems. It helps other consumers with their product comparison research; it helps the manufacturer improve their product line; it prevents loss of a great deal of money on a product that won't satisfy the buyer. What's to dislike? Boomzilla |
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Post by klinemj on Apr 4, 2021 23:05:15 GMT -5
Not sure which part of the above came off as a trollish in nature, as that was not my intent. I have a simple system, one hdmi in, one hdmi out. 5.1 system with 4 atmos ceiling speakers. Just as an update, I was able to get everything up and running again. The magic "unplug it for 30 minutes" did the trick. Is this acceptable? It reminds me of a conversation that I once had with a friend. This gentleman procured a new McLaren 720s for the low low price of $350k. The alarm would intermittently go off for 30 minutes at a time during the middle of the night, the door would sometimes pop open on its own, and sometimes the key fob wouldn't work. The gentleman explained that all of these things were annoying but acceptable because of all of the other things the vehicle did so well. This is where I was at with the XMC-2. Slow HDMI cycling or source determination? meh, no big deal. Random pops and clicks? not a problem because it sounds so awesome! However, having to come back in an hour and hope that I can watch a movie would fall outside that category in my mind. Emotiva is not McLaren but what if the car decided when it would start? Still acceptable? Sorry yours didn't work out. I hope you returned it within the return limit. I've owned 3 different Emotiva Processors (UMC-1, XMC-1, and now XMC-2), and they all worked great. I've never had to unplug one for 30 minutes. Nor have I had the pop/clicks or other digital noise. I've also owned Denon and had issues with them. I can't explain why, but...that's my experience. Good luck to you. Mark |
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Post by ttocs on Apr 4, 2021 23:32:33 GMT -5
It reminds me of a conversation that I once had with a friend. This gentleman procured a new McLaren 720s for the low low price of $350k. The alarm would intermittently go off for 30 minutes at a time during the middle of the night, the door would sometimes pop open on its own, and sometimes the key fob wouldn't work. The gentleman explained that all of these things were annoying but acceptable because of all of the other things the vehicle did so well. This is where I was at with the XMC-2. Slow HDMI cycling or source determination? meh, no big deal. Random pops and clicks? not a problem because it sounds so awesome! However, having to come back in an hour and hope that I can watch a movie would fall outside that category in my mind. Emotiva is not McLaren but what if the car decided when it would start? Still acceptable? I know other McLaren stories like yours. Fit and finish not matching the price tag. I've been vocal about my experience which doesn't match yours, but if it did, I would post as you have. |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 5, 2021 8:04:18 GMT -5
“Not sure which part of the above came off as a trollish in nature” Sorry but most of it to me, actually. This “simple” 50.000 system?? With two Top end processors bombing out then poo pooing reviewers that didn’t spend enough time with these processors to deliver an accurate review? Please put yourself in the position of reading your first post. Perhaps you could start over from the beginning with more clarification of your story for greater understanding. What did Emotiva say was wrong with the RMC? Bill |
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Post by rbk123 on Apr 5, 2021 8:10:08 GMT -5
Sound like he's no longer beyond done.
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 5, 2021 8:56:14 GMT -5
Sound like he's no longer beyond done. LOL....looks that way! |
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 5, 2021 9:14:41 GMT -5
My two cents....based on my experience, the XMC-1 was great....even after the 4K upgrade board was installed. To be fair, any issues were resolved via firmware update. Had it for five years and was very happy.
My XMC-2 has been rock solid since the last firmware update. Initially I had the loss of audio that required switching between sources or audio formats to get it working again, however that was solved in firmware for me.
No more complaints from the family.
No large pops or ticks...occasionally a small tick with ATV4K, but rare.
More than likely I will continue to use Emotiva processors in the future.
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Post by BigE on Apr 5, 2021 9:53:20 GMT -5
My two cents....based on my experience, the XMC-1 was great....even after the 4K upgrade board was installed. To be fair, any issues were resolved via firmware update. Had it for five years and was very happy. My XMC-2 has been rock solid since the last firmware update. Initially I had the loss of audio that required switching between sources or audio formats to get it working again, however that was solved in firmware for me. No more complaints from the family. No large pops or ticks...occasionally a small tick with ATV4K, but rare. More than likely I will continue to use Emotiva processors in the future. Which firmware are you now using? And Dirac update? |
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Post by DYohn on Apr 5, 2021 10:08:39 GMT -5
I came to a similar conclusion about Emotiva processors some time ago - not quite ready for prime time. But I did not feel the need to come onto the forum and spew my indignation like a child. And my Emotiva amps are great. To each his own, of course, but my reaction to posts like this is: Door - Ass - try to avoid being hit.
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 5, 2021 10:18:02 GMT -5
My two cents....based on my experience, the XMC-1 was great....even after the 4K upgrade board was installed. To be fair, any issues were resolved via firmware update. Had it for five years and was very happy. My XMC-2 has been rock solid since the last firmware update. Initially I had the loss of audio that required switching between sources or audio formats to get it working again, however that was solved in firmware for me. No more complaints from the family. No large pops or ticks...occasionally a small tick with ATV4K, but rare. More than likely I will continue to use Emotiva processors in the future. I like this....good common sense appraisal. The REAL culprit in all of this IMHO Is the necessary evil of HDMI. Can’t be without it in today’s HT. Simple to hook up, but very problematic getting equipment from EVERYWHERE to talk to each other, hence all these AV dropout issues. Such a hassle.....my favorite processor manufacturer simply won’t put one out there any longer. |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 5, 2021 10:19:22 GMT -5
I came to a similar conclusion about Emotiva processors some time ago - not quite ready for prime time. But I did not feel the need to come onto the forum and spew my indignation like a child. And my Emotiva amps are great. To each his own, of course, but my reaction to posts like this is: Door - Ass - try to avoid being hit. What he said |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 5, 2021 10:29:18 GMT -5
www.hdmi.org/.....ANYTIME I go to upgrade anything with that rectangular “hole” in the back...I go HERE first.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2021 10:33:01 GMT -5
I came to a similar conclusion about Emotiva processors some time ago - not quite ready for prime time. But I did not feel the need to come onto the forum and spew my indignation like a child. And my Emotiva amps are great. To each his own, of course, but my reaction to posts like this is: Door - Ass - try to avoid being hit. What he said My mouth is watering...... The gent criticized a corporate strawman Emotiva and not anyone individually. Anyone that places their face to a post and thinks it emotionally upsetting ought to get a reality check IMO. Preferably Mike Tyson style. Just love how some people feel the need to express themselves as the standard for other people's behavior w/ that uptight personal ad hom holier than thou attitude. There are hundreds of pages in one particular thread alone here of persons that are disgruntle w/ Emotiva's bugginess. And though the OP states that reviewers haven't lived w/ Emotiva long term I found an article where a reviewer at AVNirvana agreed w/ the OP and stated they just give up on Emotiva's reliability/product fulfilment and switched to Anthem. I realize being on the Emotiva board we are bound to be subjected to a pool of disgruntle persons. I mean when going to AVSforum all seems okay with a particular manufacturer ...... But for example, if you go to Onkyo's support website you'll find many disgruntle persons. Tapping into a manufacturer's public support board is a good idea in order to get a picture of long term user's advice, complaints, or product compliments. |
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 5, 2021 10:37:07 GMT -5
My two cents....based on my experience, the XMC-1 was great....even after the 4K upgrade board was installed. To be fair, any issues were resolved via firmware update. Had it for five years and was very happy. My XMC-2 has been rock solid since the last firmware update. Initially I had the loss of audio that required switching between sources or audio formats to get it working again, however that was solved in firmware for me. No more complaints from the family. No large pops or ticks...occasionally a small tick with ATV4K, but rare. More than likely I will continue to use Emotiva processors in the future. Which firmware are you now using? And Dirac update? 2.2 Latest Dirac firmware....however I have not re-run Dirac in awhile. |
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Post by 405x5 on Apr 5, 2021 10:45:52 GMT -5
“Anyone that places their face to a post and thinks it emotionally upsetting ought to get a reality check IMO. Preferably Mike Tyson style.” I used to LOVE Tyson in the ring until he got NUTS and bit somebody’s ear....the rest of this post eludes me? |
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Post by cawgijoe on Apr 5, 2021 10:47:15 GMT -5
My mouth is watering...... The gent criticized a corporate strawman Emotiva and not anyone individually. Anyone that places their face to a post and thinks it emotionally upsetting ought to get a reality check IMO. Preferably Mike Tyson style. Just love how some people feel the need to express themselves as the standard for other people's behavior w/ that uptight holier than thou attitude. There are hundreds of pages in one particular thread alone here of persons that are disgruntle w/ Emotiva's bugginess. And though the OP states that reviewers haven't lived w/ Emotiva long term I found an article where a reviewer at AVNirvana agreed w/ the OP and stated they just give up on Emotiva's reliability/product fulfilment and switched to Anthem. I realize being on the Emotiva board we are bound to be subjected to a pool of disgruntle persons. I mean when going to AVSforum all seems okay with a particular manufacturer ...... But for example, if you go to Onkyo's support website you'll find many disgruntle persons. Tapping into a manufacturer's public support board is a good idea in order to get a picture of long term user's advice, complaints, or product compliments. Its interesting how people view manufacturers and their experiences....I have a good friend (with cash!) who went from Emotiva (UMC-1) to Anthem (receiver - amp issues, fixed under warranty, lost confidence, sold) to Lyngdorf now. He loves the Lyngdorf....beyond my means. |
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