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Post by donh50 on Sept 17, 2021 8:20:15 GMT -5
Now for the contrary opinion: Speaking as an old Maggie owner (both owner and Maggies are old  ), with that rig and $2500 to spend, I would pick up a nice sub or two. Maggies distort heavily (10's of percent) when deep bass is thrown at them. You may be surprised by how much better they sound with a crossover before the amp to offload the deep bass. FWIWFM - Don I do own a nice F110 JL Audio sub that I forgot to mention, but I do not have a way to adjust the crossover. The sub does not have speaker level inputs. Hmm... more to consider. Thanks You don't really want speaker-level inputs anyway; those will not help roll off the mains (Maggies). Two fairly inexpensive crossovers are the miniDSP (digital DSP) and the analog dbx 223. The latter I used for many years in my system to provide an active crossover between mains and sub(s). My (Rythmik) subs have continuous phase control which makes integration reasonable using an analog crossover. If the JL does not have some sort of continuous phase or delay adjustment, integration could be hard to impractical with an analog crossover, so you might want to go the DSP route. There are other DSP solution like Antimode that are more plug-and-play. HTH - Don |
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Post by donh50 on Sept 17, 2021 8:23:39 GMT -5
I do own a nice F110 JL Audio sub that I forgot to mention, but I do not have a way to adjust the crossover. The sub does not have speaker level inputs. Hmm... more to consider. Thanks I am confused by your comment relative to your JL sub. The F110 is exceptionally versatile, has built in low pass filtering and even has its own DSP. In addition you have an XMC-2 which can set the crossover. I apologize for being dense. Could you explain the problem further? It looks like his two-channel system is not using the XMC-2, and he needs to HPF the signal to the Maggie's amp in addition to the sub's LPF. |
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Sept 17, 2021 8:28:40 GMT -5
To clarify, I am using a Cambridge Streamer to a Freya+ preamp. I used the balanced outputs to go to the DR1 amps and then out to the mains. One of those balanced "outs" going to the amplifier is split to the subwoofer. I can and have run the room correction with the sub. It works quite well. What don't have is a way to restrict what the main speakers put out. Is there a better way to integrate the sub? I'm totally open to suggestions.
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Post by fbczar on Sept 17, 2021 8:34:05 GMT -5
I am confused by your comment relative to your JL sub. The F110 is exceptionally versatile, has built in low pass filtering and even has its own DSP. In addition you have an XMC-2 which can set the crossover. I apologize for being dense. Could you explain the problem further? It looks like his two-channel system is not using the XMC-2, and he needs to HPF the signal to the Maggie's amp in addition to the sub's LPF. Thanks for the reply. Then it seems he might also consider something like the new BlueSound Node. It has Bass management with both high and low pass filters. And while it has a built in streamer and DAC it is possible to use an external DAC with the unit. Not as sophisticated as a mini DSP, but impressive for $549.00. |
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Post by donh50 on Sept 17, 2021 8:42:25 GMT -5
One thing I left out, because I am not really fond of them, are the passive filters you can buy from various sources. You could try those first, e.g. a set of the Harrison Labs FMOD in-line filters. I know they make RCA, not sure if they have XLR versions, but there are similar XLR versions from other companies available. I know Shure makes XLR versions but am not sure what frequencies they have available, and they cost more (natch).
Both the miniDSP and dbx 223 have balanced I/O. My dbx crossover has TRS instead of XLR so you need TRS-to-XLR cables (Sweetwater Sound or anyplace will have them). I think dbx makes an XLR version as well (been a while since I looked).
There are many other crossovers from $10 to $10,000 but those are my usual suggestions for reasonable features, good performance, and reasonable price.
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Post by monkumonku on Sept 17, 2021 9:40:47 GMT -5
Dude, just wished to inquire whether your avatar is of a dude with a man bun? I take it you never heard of Toshiro Mifune and the roles he played as a samurai. Look him up.  |
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Sept 17, 2021 13:35:22 GMT -5
UGH... Now I have no idea what I want to do. I'm finding the minidsp SHD very intriguing. However, in considering it, it brings up a dilemma. It would appear this piece would make my Freya+ obsolete. Am I correct in this assumption? I love the Freya and would hate to lose the sound quality I get out of it. It was a real game changer for me, as a person who had only used HT receivers and processors in the past. OR is the miniDSP SHD preamp and Dirac correction so good that I would not miss it?
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Post by audiobill on Sept 17, 2021 17:31:24 GMT -5
You could use both and see
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Post by jdubs on Sept 23, 2021 8:46:56 GMT -5
You have a nice system but I certainly understand the upgraditis. DAC technology has come a long way... and R2R seems to be really coming into interest. Schiit uses multibit chips to do this. Other manufacturers like Denafrips does a handbuilt resistor ladder. I currently have a Denafrips on order. I can't comment on any results yet.
I also have a LSA DAC that has a solid state output AND a tube output if you want to try that. It's a very nice DAC, but with tubes in my preamp, I decided I wanted to go to R2R for my DAC. The LSA compares to the Black Ice Audio mentioned above.
Message me if you'd like to chat about my journey or maybe arrange trying my LSA.
With Schiit you can try out their gear and send it back if you don't like it. Your budget gets their best DAC. Denafrips not so much; they are strictly NO returns. However, they are very well reviewed and they have good customer service so far.
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Post by tropicallutefisk on Sept 23, 2021 10:17:53 GMT -5
You have a nice system but I certainly understand the upgraditis. DAC technology has come a long way... and R2R seems to be really coming into interest. Schiit uses multibit chips to do this. Other manufacturers like Denafrips does a handbuilt resistor ladder. I currently have a Denafrips on order. I can't comment on any results yet. I also have a LSA DAC that has a solid state output AND a tube output if you want to try that. It's a very nice DAC, but with tubes in my preamp, I decided I wanted to go to R2R for my DAC. The LSA compares to the Black Ice Audio mentioned above. Message me if you'd like to chat about my journey or maybe arrange trying my LSA. With Schiit you can try out their gear and send it back if you don't like it. Your budget gets their best DAC. Denafrips not so much; they are strictly NO returns. However, they are very well reviewed and they have good customer service so far. Thanks for the kind words and kind offer. You and many others have offered some great advice and gave me plenty to think about. Ultimately, I pulled the trigger on a Schiit YGGY "Less Is More". I was swayed by my satisfaction with the Freya+ and their return policy. Delivery is Monday and I'm like a kid waiting for Christmas. |
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), with that rig and $2500 to spend, I would pick up a nice sub or two. Maggies distort heavily (10's of percent) when deep bass is thrown at them. You may be surprised by how much better they sound with a crossover before the amp to offload the deep bass.
