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Post by Lsc on Oct 27, 2024 19:49:52 GMT -5
It was worth a thought. I can go without 2.1 since I won’t be playing the PS5 in the family room. I’ll just “trade-in” for the + when it’s worth doing so. Still some unanswered questions remain (excluding 11.1.8). The eARC upgrade for $450 doesn’t seem like a good move. It was definitely worth the thought... I thought about doing it too when we first were made aware that they were discontinuing my RMC-1L. But after further consideration and a little cooling off, I'm going to upgrade to the RMC-1+. But if one needed a solution to support only one or two HDMI 2.1 devices (like gaming consoles) and otherwise don't necessarily need 2.1 support across every input and/or output, then the eARC enabled board for the older G3 processors (that don't already have it) could be a viable solution for sure. I would trade-in to the RMC1+ if there was a compelling reason ie it sounds better. Not because of the 3 “expansion” slots. How much better is the preamp stage on the RMC1+? Is it close to a “high-end” 2 channel preamp? I was considering the Eversolo DMP A10 but they really hiked the price up. If the RMC1+ truly has a reference grade preamp and DAC then it could be something special. |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 27, 2024 20:17:33 GMT -5
It was definitely worth the thought... I thought about doing it too when we first were made aware that they were discontinuing my RMC-1L. But after further consideration and a little cooling off, I'm going to upgrade to the RMC-1+. But if one needed a solution to support only one or two HDMI 2.1 devices (like gaming consoles) and otherwise don't necessarily need 2.1 support across every input and/or output, then the eARC enabled board for the older G3 processors (that don't already have it) could be a viable solution for sure. I would trade-in to the RMC1+ if there was a compelling reason ie it sounds better. Not because of the 3 “expansion” slots. How much better is the preamp stage on the RMC1+? Is it close to a “high-end” 2 channel preamp? I was considering the Eversolo DMP A10 but they really hiked the price up. If the RMC1+ truly has a reference grade preamp and DAC then it could be something special. I'll give my take on current 2 channel reference reproduction. I use a Benchmark HPA4 for 2 channel analog preamp reference audio. Sound is a 10. My RMC-1L is a 9. The RMC-1+ is supposedly going to be better than a RMC-1 or RMC-1L. The Benchmark HPA4 is as relaxed and neutral as anything I've experienced. It is a true reference except for lack of audiophoolery cosmetics. The RMC1+ could be something special and get very close to a Benchmark HPA4; at a reasonable price; for 16 channels. From what I can derive with current information, the RMC1+ could be limited in the the very low sub bass - a place that most people won't perceive; a frequency range that will affect very low frequency group delay. I want more information about the analog audio stages of the RMC-1+. Emotiva teased us. The glow is fading. |
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Post by Lsc on Oct 27, 2024 22:17:03 GMT -5
I would trade-in to the RMC1+ if there was a compelling reason ie it sounds better. Not because of the 3 “expansion” slots. How much better is the preamp stage on the RMC1+? Is it close to a “high-end” 2 channel preamp? I was considering the Eversolo DMP A10 but they really hiked the price up. If the RMC1+ truly has a reference grade preamp and DAC then it could be something special. I'll give my take on current 2 channel reference reproduction. I use a Benchmark HPA4 for 2 channel analog preamp reference audio. Sound is a 10. My RMC-1L is a 9. The RMC-1+ is supposedly going to be better than a RMC-1 or RMC-1L. The Benchmark HPA4 is as relaxed and neutral as anything I've experienced. It is a true reference except for audiophoolery cosmetics. The RMC1+ could be something special and get very close; at a reasonable price; for 16 channels. From what I can derive with current information, the RMC1+ could be limited in the the very low sub bass - a place that most people won't perceive; a frequency range that will affect very low frequency group delay. I want more information about the analog audio stages of the RMC-1+. Emotiva teased us. The glow is fading. At this rate, doesn’t seem like they will be saying much more than feature listing and may need to wait for some 3rd party reviews to get more info. Maybe Lonnie will release a technical overview. |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 27, 2024 22:27:19 GMT -5
I'll give my take on current 2 channel reference reproduction. I use a Benchmark HPA4 for 2 channel analog preamp reference audio. Sound is a 10. My RMC-1L is a 9. The RMC-1+ is supposedly going to be better than a RMC-1 or RMC-1L. The Benchmark HPA4 is as relaxed and neutral as anything I've experienced. It is a true reference except for audiophoolery cosmetics. The RMC1+ could be something special and get very close; at a reasonable price; for 16 channels. From what I can derive with current information, the RMC1+ could be limited in the the very low sub bass - a place that most people won't perceive; a frequency range that will affect very low frequency group delay. I want more information about the analog audio stages of the RMC-1+. Emotiva teased us. The glow is fading. At this rate, doesn’t seem like they will be saying much more than feature listing and may need to wait for some 3rd party reviews to get more info. Maybe Lonnie will release a technical overview. Generating 'buzz' is Not disclosure.. emotiva.com/pages/future-of-processorsPerhaps Emotiva will fill in the blanks. Lots of blanks to fill. |
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Post by lowellg on Oct 28, 2024 13:40:42 GMT -5
I gave up. Since the Emotiva event there had been limited details about the upgrade path. Which based on history gives me room to pause. So I bailed and my AVM 90 will be in this week. I am not going bag on my XMC-2, it was a very good upgrade from my Denon 4400 I was using as a pre-amp. The XMC-2 sounded great and took my sound to the next level, but I have also heard great things about the Anthem and got to good of deal to turn down.
Anybody know what a good suggest selling price would be? I am thinking $1000 maybe $1200. Also, does anybody know how I describe to a potential buyer how the DIRAC license transfer works? I read in this forum it's tied to the Processor MAC address.
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Post by recluce on Oct 28, 2024 17:57:10 GMT -5
I gave up. Since the Emotiva event there had been limited details about the upgrade path. Which based on history gives me room to pause. So I bailed and my AVM 90 will be in this week. I am not going bag on my XMC-2, it was a very good upgrade from my Denon 4400 I was using as a pre-amp. The XMC-2 sounded great and took my sound to the next level, but I have also heard great things about the Anthem and got to good of deal to turn down. Anybody know what a good suggest selling price would be? I am thinking $1000 maybe $1200. Also, does anybody know how I describe to a potential buyer how the DIRAC license transfer works? I read in this forum it's tied to the Processor MAC address. Thanks,
Time to post this but not to read the information in post 1 of this thread? I believe the upgrade path is abundantly clear. The timing is still a bit vague, though.
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 28, 2024 18:04:03 GMT -5
Though always a work in progress, I’ve been updating the 1st Post and FAQ. I’ve moved all the original (obsolete) material to the 2nd post just for reference. The 1st post will now be the only OP, reference page, and FAQ. I’ll continue to update as time allows. 1st Post and FAQ |
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Post by Lsc on Oct 28, 2024 18:47:20 GMT -5
I gave up. Since the Emotiva event there had been limited details about the upgrade path. Which based on history gives me room to pause. So I bailed and my AVM 90 will be in this week. I am not going bag on my XMC-2, it was a very good upgrade from my Denon 4400 I was using as a pre-amp. The XMC-2 sounded great and took my sound to the next level, but I have also heard great things about the Anthem and got to good of deal to turn down. Anybody know what a good suggest selling price would be? I am thinking $1000 maybe $1200. Also, does anybody know how I describe to a potential buyer how the DIRAC license transfer works? I read in this forum it's tied to the Processor MAC address. Thanks, Does your XMC2 have the eARC board? The AVM90 is a quite an upgrade from an Emotiva prepro. I’m interested in the sound quality difference. |
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Post by thxultra on Oct 29, 2024 8:39:44 GMT -5
I gave up. Since the Emotiva event there had been limited details about the upgrade path. Which based on history gives me room to pause. So I bailed and my AVM 90 will be in this week. I am not going bag on my XMC-2, it was a very good upgrade from my Denon 4400 I was using as a pre-amp. The XMC-2 sounded great and took my sound to the next level, but I have also heard great things about the Anthem and got to good of deal to turn down. Anybody know what a good suggest selling price would be? I am thinking $1000 maybe $1200. Also, does anybody know how I describe to a potential buyer how the DIRAC license transfer works? I read in this forum it's tied to the Processor MAC address. Thanks, Looking forward to hearing your opinion of how the AVM90 sounds compared to the XMC-2. Upgrade path seems pretty clear sounds like you basically get $2k off the price of the + processor trading in your XMC-2. More unclear is when this will actually happen. Also how stable these + processors will be. Personally hanging on tight for them to come out at this point as it seems like it will happen sometime Q1 of next year. If they are stable on release I will be upgrading mine for sure. If not I will have to look at other options. |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 29, 2024 8:58:50 GMT -5
The Dirac Live license on our current XMC-2, RMC-1, and RMC-1L processors is associated with the MAC address of the processor. (This is the "hardware identifier" of the Ethernet network card... so acts much like a hardware serial number.) In other words, the processor has a Dirac Live license, rather than the user. And, when you run the software, it verifies that the processor it is connecting to has a valid license. So, if you sell the processor, the license "goes with it" (with no action on your part). This is NOT the case with our older XMC-1 . And I don't know the exact details of how it will work with the new "plus processors"., ........................... Also, does anybody know how I describe to a potential buyer how the DIRAC license transfer works? I read in this forum it's tied to the Processor MAC address. Thanks, |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 29, 2024 9:11:43 GMT -5
I'll bet that ChatGPT DOES have something to say about the audibility of various resistors... Or, rather, because that is something that audiophiles do post about, it will find plenty of opinions, which it can then use to create its own "virtual opinion"... (To be fair, from my experience, it probably will say something like "opinions are divided on this question... here are some articles about it".)
DO remember that ChatGPT neither "thinks" nor "has opinions"... It would be more accurate to say that "it builds a model - based on what it's heard other people say"... And, while such models are often close to a consensus, the data on which they are based is neither carefully weighted nor fact checked... (ChatGPT is an LLM... a "Large Language Model"... and, much like 3D images aren't really holograms, an LLM is not really artificial intelligence.) However, to be fair, this is little different than more than a few purely human discussions I've heard about various "audiophile questions".  ........................................ And I don't know who searches the internet for jpeg screenshots of chatgpt disclosing what it thinks are important audio characteristics for the gen4. I doubt it would have much of an opinion on audibility of resistors but I digress and will save it for the ai thread. I will always honor the strange dac talks etc. It's educational for me and maybe I'll be back to listen eventually. |
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Post by richb on Oct 29, 2024 9:13:17 GMT -5
The Dirac Live license on our current XMC-2, RMC-1, and RMC-1L processors is associated with the MAC address of the processor. (This is the "hardware identifier" of the Ethernet network card... so acts much like a hardware serial number.) In other words, the processor has a Dirac Live license, rather than the user. And, when you run the software, it verifies that the processor it is connecting to has a valid license. So, if you sell the processor, the license "goes with it" (with no action on your part). This is NOT the case with our older XMC-1 . And I don't know the exact details of how it will work with the new "plus processors"., ........................... Also, does anybody know how I describe to a potential buyer how the DIRAC license transfer works? I read in this forum it's tied to the Processor MAC address. Thanks, I assume that the user must purchase a new Dirac license is required when you upgrade. - Rich |
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Post by KeithL on Oct 29, 2024 9:21:02 GMT -5
The new plus series processors will come with their own Dirac Live license included. As far as I know what will be included is the same "Dirac Live Full" license as the current processors have. (The version that gives you the latest version of Dirac Live Room Correction, for the full 20-20k frequency range, for all of the channels the processor supports.) When support for DLBC is available on the processors... it will be a "software upgrade" that is purchased directly from Dirac... (And I have no idea how the licensing works on that.) The Dirac Live license on our current XMC-2, RMC-1, and RMC-1L processors is associated with the MAC address of the processor. (This is the "hardware identifier" of the Ethernet network card... so acts much like a hardware serial number.) In other words, the processor has a Dirac Live license, rather than the user. And, when you run the software, it verifies that the processor it is connecting to has a valid license. So, if you sell the processor, the license "goes with it" (with no action on your part). This is NOT the case with our older XMC-1 . And I don't know the exact details of how it will work with the new "plus processors"., I assume that the user must purchase a new Dirac license is required when you upgrade. - Rich |
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Post by fbczar on Oct 29, 2024 9:23:00 GMT -5
I'll bet that ChatGPT DOES have something to say about the audibility of various resistors... Or, rather, because that is something that audiophiles do post about, it will find plenty of opinions, which it can then use to create its own "virtual opinion"... (To be fair, from my experience, it probably will say something like "opinions are divided on this question... here are some articles about it".)
DO remember that ChatGPT neither "thinks" nor "has opinions"... It would be more accurate to say that "it builds a model - based on what it's heard other people say"... And, while such models are often close to a consensus, the data on which they are based is neither carefully weighted nor fact checked... (ChatGPT is an LLM... a "Large Language Model"... and, much like 3D images aren't really holograms, an LLM is not really artificial intelligence.) However, to be fair, this is little different than more than a few purely human discussions I've heard about various "audiophile questions". ........................................ And I don't know who searches the internet for jpeg screenshots of chatgpt disclosing what it thinks are important audio characteristics for the gen4. I doubt it would have much of an opinion on audibility of resistors but I digress and will save it for the ai thread. I will always honor the strange dac talks etc. It's educational for me and maybe I'll be back to listen eventually. All “audiophiles” should take a hearing test to determine where their hearing deficiencies are before commenting on what can and cannot be heard from a resistor or anything else. Almost everyone is deficient at one frequency or the other. A 60 year old audiophile arguing with a 25 year old audiophile on what can be heard is crazy. No doubt, communication on a number of audio tweaks would be far more civil if they did. |
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Post by richb on Oct 29, 2024 9:26:17 GMT -5
I'll bet that ChatGPT DOES have something to say about the audibility of various resistors... Or, rather, because that is something that audiophiles do post about, it will find plenty of opinions, which it can then use to create its own "virtual opinion"... (To be fair, from my experience, it probably will say something like "opinions are divided on this question... here are some articles about it".)
DO remember that ChatGPT neither "thinks" nor "has opinions"... It would be more accurate to say that "it builds a model - based on what it's heard other people say"... And, while such models are often close to a consensus, the data on which they are based is neither carefully weighted nor fact checked... (ChatGPT is an LLM... a "Large Language Model"... and, much like 3D images aren't really holograms, an LLM is not really artificial intelligence.) However, to be fair, this is little different than more than a few purely human discussions I've heard about various "audiophile questions". All “audiophiles” should take a hearing test to determine where their hearing deficiencies are before commenting on what can and cannot be heard from a resistor or anything else. Almost everyone is deficient at one frequency or the other. A 60 year old audiophile arguing with a 25 year old audiophile on what can be heard is crazy. No doubt, communication on a number of audio tweaks would be far more civil if they did. WHAT?  -Rich |
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Post by fbczar on Oct 29, 2024 9:35:38 GMT -5
All “audiophiles” should take a hearing test to determine where their hearing deficiencies are before commenting on what can and cannot be heard from a resistor or anything else. Almost everyone is deficient at one frequency or the other. A 60 year old audiophile arguing with a 25 year old audiophile on what can be heard is crazy. No doubt, communication on a number of audio tweaks would be far more civil if they did. WHAT? -Rich What do you mean? You do understand what a hearing test is, right? |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 29, 2024 9:44:43 GMT -5
WHAT? -Rich What do you mean? You do understand what a hearing test is, right? Humor … R R! |
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Post by PaulBe on Oct 29, 2024 10:33:38 GMT -5
I'll bet that ChatGPT DOES have something to say about the audibility of various resistors... Or, rather, because that is something that audiophiles do post about, it will find plenty of opinions, which it can then use to create its own "virtual opinion"... (To be fair, from my experience, it probably will say something like "opinions are divided on this question... here are some articles about it".)
DO remember that ChatGPT neither "thinks" nor "has opinions"... It would be more accurate to say that "it builds a model - based on what it's heard other people say"... And, while such models are often close to a consensus, the data on which they are based is neither carefully weighted nor fact checked... (ChatGPT is an LLM... a "Large Language Model"... and, much like 3D images aren't really holograms, an LLM is not really artificial intelligence.) However, to be fair, this is little different than more than a few purely human discussions I've heard about various "audiophile questions". All “audiophiles” should take a hearing test to determine where their hearing deficiencies are before commenting on what can and cannot be heard from a resistor or anything else. Almost everyone is deficient at one frequency or the other. A 60 year old audiophile arguing with a 25 year old audiophile on what can be heard is crazy. No doubt, communication on a number of audio tweaks would be far more civil if they did. The absolute value of physical hearing frequency response is only one factor in a person’s ability to evaluate sound. Relevant examples of people who exhibit greater levels of hearing discrepancy are sound engineers, musicians, and conductors. Having better hearing is no guaranty of an ability to listen. People with the best hearing can still be tone deaf. Communication on a number of audio tweaks would be far more civil if people discovered or knew their limitations - limitations in more areas than just physical hearing frequency response. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Oct 29, 2024 10:50:20 GMT -5
… When support for DLBC is available on the processors... it will be a "software upgrade" that is purchased directly from Dirac... (And I have no idea how the licensing works on that.) I assume that the user must purchase a new Dirac license is required when you upgrade. - Rich This will be an important detail to have worked out, as the included Processor based license model Emotiva uses does not seem common, that is, most vendors require you to buy the Dirac Live license as well. If you go to purchase DLBC (now $299 for any number of subwoofers), the first thing it has you do is to ‘Find Your License’, where you scroll though all the known Dirac Live licensed models. Presumably, we will have activated our Dirac Live license, and the Emotiva models will be available to choose, but certainly a process that needs to go smoothly for a good user experience. DLBC is one of the most anticipated options undelivered from the current G3 processors, I hope delivery of this product is well under way and anticipated with or near the Plus model release. Here’s the final text before clicking ‘Buy’ Dirac Live Bass ControlFeatures: * Supports unlimited subwoofers * Corrects sound gaps and bass decline * Enhances bass crossover area for smoother reproduction * Utilizes machine learning for phase co-optimization * Bass Control is available as an expansion for users who already have a Dirac Live Room Correction license Buy now $299 I chose Marantz AV10 to get to this page: Dirac License Options |
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Post by foggy1956 on Oct 29, 2024 11:09:31 GMT -5
The new plus series processors will come with their own Dirac Live license included. As far as I know what will be included is the same "Dirac Live Full" license as the current processors have. (The version that gives you the latest version of Dirac Live Room Correction, for the full 20-20k frequency range, for all of the channels the processor supports.) When support for DLBC is available on the processors... it will be a "software upgrade" that is purchased directly from Dirac... (And I have no idea how the licensing works on that.) I assume that the user must purchase a new Dirac license is required when you upgrade. - Rich With the firmware update for the G3 processors that will be released when the + processors go live, will DLBC become available for the G3 processors? |
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