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Post by aswiss on Nov 10, 2024 17:24:46 GMT -5
I’d like to have an official feature list plus status on DLBC / DLBM along with confirmation on the sound quality improvements before I can answer your question but I’ll trade in eventually. Are you expecting sound quality improvements in the Gen 4 processors? I don’t see advancements in the area of sound quality unless the use of dual mono DACs on all surround channels improves upon the XMC-2’s surround channels. the XMC-2+ will go for the same SQ than the current RMC-1+ - that was written somewhere here in the forum.
What I want to know:
Enhanced Dolby Atmos + DTS.x PRO - what do they offer? Are the Upmixers also something new regarding function and sound? Is there now a way to do a cross upmixing, regardless how many speakers are active?
Does anyone have basic or advanced information on these topics?
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Post by jjkessler on Nov 10, 2024 17:27:29 GMT -5
Can’t seem to remember to cost to just upgrade my RMC-1L to the plus innards?
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Post by geebo on Nov 10, 2024 18:14:14 GMT -5
Can’t seem to remember to cost to just upgrade my RMC-1L to the plus innards? That is not an official option at this point but Emotiva has indicated it would be possible. So no price has been assigned to that option. 1. With a trade in you could pay $2,000 and get an RMC-1+. 2. With a trade in you could pay $1,000 and get an XMC-2+. 3. If the option becomes available to have the guts of an RMC-1L swapped out to become an RMC-1L+ I would think the price would fall somewhere in between the above. |
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Post by fbczar on Nov 10, 2024 23:48:57 GMT -5
Are you expecting sound quality improvements in the Gen 4 processors? I don’t see advancements in the area of sound quality unless the use of dual mono DACs on all surround channels improves upon the XMC-2’s surround channels. the XMC-2+ will go for the same SQ than the current RMC-1+ - that was written somewhere here in the forum.
What I want to know:
Enhanced Dolby Atmos + DTS.x PRO - what do they offer? Are the Upmixers also something new regarding function and sound? Is there now a way to do a cross upmixing, regardless how many speakers are active?
Does anyone have basic or advanced information on these topics?
The XMC-2 and RMC-1 have identical sound from the Left, Right and Center channels. The RMC-1 has better surround channels. Of course, it remains to be seen if TI DAC chips are as capable as AKM chips. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 11, 2024 11:34:25 GMT -5
I’d like to have an official feature list plus status on DLBC / DLBM along with confirmation on the sound quality improvements before I can answer your question but I’ll trade in eventually. Are you expecting sound quality improvements in the Gen 4 processors? I don’t see advancements in the area of sound quality unless the use of dual mono DACs on all surround channels improves upon the XMC-2’s surround channels. Yes I am expecting sound quality improvements. They are using a new DAC - same as the RMC1+. I don’t know what else they changed but the gen4 is supposed to run pretty hot. I don’t think the balanced in will have any improvements but we will see. |
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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 11, 2024 11:59:24 GMT -5
Are you expecting sound quality improvements in the Gen 4 processors? I don’t see advancements in the area of sound quality unless the use of dual mono DACs on all surround channels improves upon the XMC-2’s surround channels. Yes I am expecting sound quality improvements. They are using a new DAC - same as the RMC1+. I don’t know what else they changed but the gen4 is supposed to run pretty hot. I don’t think the balanced in will have any improvements but we will see. Seems strange that nobody talked about audio improvements after hearing the next gen at Emofest |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 11, 2024 12:19:25 GMT -5
Yes I am expecting sound quality improvements. They are using a new DAC - same as the RMC1+. I don’t know what else they changed but the gen4 is supposed to run pretty hot. I don’t think the balanced in will have any improvements but we will see. Seems strange that nobody talked about audio improvements after hearing the next gen at Emofest To be fair if I went to Emofest and heard the demo, I wouldn’t be able to tell if there were improvements since my speakers I feel far exceed Emotiva’s and my amps are much better too. What didn’t happen but would have been the smoking gun is if they were able to do some type of a comparison demo but that’s a lot more effort. I don’t know enough about the details to say but it would have been amazing if Emotiva could have made improvements worth mentioning to the preamp part of the unit that would improve the 2 channel in reference stereo. Maybe they did but haven’t addressed it yet. |
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Post by ttocs on Nov 11, 2024 12:25:16 GMT -5
Seems strange that nobody talked about audio improvements after hearing the next gen at Emofest They didn't have my model of Martin Logan speakers with which to make a comparison, so I didn't have an apples to apples comparison presented to me. |
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Post by geebo on Nov 11, 2024 12:26:29 GMT -5
Yes I am expecting sound quality improvements. They are using a new DAC - same as the RMC1+. I don’t know what else they changed but the gen4 is supposed to run pretty hot. I don’t think the balanced in will have any improvements but we will see. Seems strange that nobody talked about audio improvements after hearing the next gen at Emofest I don't think there were any Gen 3 processors hooked up anywhere. So there was no way to compare old and new in the same room with the same speakers. |
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Post by marcl on Nov 11, 2024 12:36:02 GMT -5
Seems strange that nobody talked about audio improvements after hearing the next gen at Emofest They didn't have my model of Martin Logan speakers with which to make a comparison, so I didn't have an apples to apples comparison presented to me. Yep ... I love it when someone wants to "hear a DAC" and they go to a room they've never been in with speakers they don't own driven by some amp they never heard of ... and say "wow that DAC has such soundstage and tight bass!"  |
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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 11, 2024 12:56:00 GMT -5
Seems strange that nobody talked about audio improvements after hearing the next gen at Emofest They didn't have my model of Martin Logan speakers with which to make a comparison, so I didn't have an apples to apples comparison presented to me. Yeah, makes sense, getting antsy with lack of info once again 🙂 |
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Post by foggy1956 on Nov 11, 2024 12:58:12 GMT -5
Seems strange that nobody talked about audio improvements after hearing the next gen at Emofest I don't think there were any Gen 3 processors hooked up anywhere. So there was no way to compare old and new in the same room with the same speakers. You planning on doing an A/B comparison when the new ones come out? |
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Post by geebo on Nov 11, 2024 13:37:01 GMT -5
I don't think there were any Gen 3 processors hooked up anywhere. So there was no way to compare old and new in the same room with the same speakers. You planning on doing an A/B comparison when the new ones come out? Nope. I'm confident the sound will be at least as good and I like the new features enough, not to mention a 5 year warranty, to pay the $2k for a new RMC-1+. |
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Post by fbczar on Nov 11, 2024 15:02:53 GMT -5
Are you expecting sound quality improvements in the Gen 4 processors? I don’t see advancements in the area of sound quality unless the use of dual mono DACs on all surround channels improves upon the XMC-2’s surround channels. Yes I am expecting sound quality improvements. They are using a new DAC - same as the RMC1+. I don’t know what else they changed but the gen4 is supposed to run pretty hot. I don’t think the balanced in will have any improvements but we will see. The sound from the XMC-2 and RMC1, for the front three channels was the same in the Gen 3 processors. While the DAC chips for the Gen 4 processors will all be the same they will use TI chips vs the AKM chips used in the Gen 3. I am not aware of any high end DACs using TI chips. AKM chips are used in a very large number of high end DACs. It will be interesting to see what the sound will be like. I am also unclear about the volume control that will be used. It does seem like the new Dirac setup will be nice. |
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Post by Sayer on Nov 11, 2024 15:09:42 GMT -5
Those problems are pretty severe. Have you called Emotiva service on these issues? I haven't, and that's a fair question. Figured these are the same issues mentioned here previously, but maybe it is worth getting my issues officially documented with Emotiva. |
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Post by Sayer on Nov 11, 2024 15:11:55 GMT -5
Sayer ... I see you've made a substantial investment in your overall home theatre system and with Emotiva gear in particular. Have you considered a work around for the HDMI switching issues? Look o know it's not ideal but for a few hundred dollars you can add a HD Fury Vertex or VVRoom which is basically a high quality 4 way HDMI switching device to 2 outputs (processor and display devices). They work pretty flawlessly ( if you're like me with a projector they offer some Dolby Vision advantages)to switch 4 sources so you don't need to switch on your G3P much at all. It's not ideal but it could significantly reduce your processor issues for not a lot of money relative to your overall investment - just a thought 😁👋 Thanks for the suggestion. Did not know HDMI switchers existed. Will look into them, I really appreciate you suggesting it. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 11, 2024 15:23:20 GMT -5
Yes I am expecting sound quality improvements. They are using a new DAC - same as the RMC1+. I don’t know what else they changed but the gen4 is supposed to run pretty hot. I don’t think the balanced in will have any improvements but we will see. The sound from the XMC-2 and RMC1, for the front three channels was the same in the Gen 3 processors. While the DAC chips for the Gen 4 processors will all be the same they will use TI chips vs the AKM chips used in the Gen 3. I am not aware of any high end DACs using TI chips. AKM chips are used in a very large number of high end DACs. It will be interesting to see what the sound will be like. I am also unclear about the volume control that will be used. It does seem like the new Dirac setup will be nice. Yes the changes on the G4P with respect to the DAC chips are well documented. It seems like you are saying that the TI chips may be a step backwards? Well that would be something. I doubt that would be the case but we will see. |
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Post by ttocs on Nov 11, 2024 15:26:16 GMT -5
You planning on doing an A/B comparison when the new ones come out? Yes! Will the new sound better? All I know for sure is that the XMC-1 sounded more to my liking than the UMC-200, and the XMC-2 was even more to my liking than the XMC-1 (which shocked me at the time because I was so happy with the XMC-1). With the +Series, it may be getting into that last few percent area that may no longer be audible. If the + sounds different, whether it be darker or brighter, then I can adjust to my liking like I always do. |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 11, 2024 15:30:23 GMT -5
Yes I am expecting sound quality improvements. They are using a new DAC - same as the RMC1+. I don’t know what else they changed but the gen4 is supposed to run pretty hot. I don’t think the balanced in will have any improvements but we will see. The sound from the XMC-2 and RMC1, for the front three channels was the same in the Gen 3 processors. While the DAC chips for the Gen 4 processors will all be the same they will use TI chips vs the AKM chips used in the Gen 3. I am not aware of any high end DACs using TI chips. AKM chips are used in a very large number of high end DACs. It will be interesting to see what the sound will be like. I am also unclear about the volume control that will be used. It does seem like the new Dirac setup will be nice. What real concerns do you have about the TI DAC chips, or the volume control? Do you have some evidence of bad function? Is it just a fear of the unknown? Edit - The DAC/audio board will run hotter - so we have been told. I expect to hear better sound. We were told Class A operation for the analog audio stages in a past podcast. |
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Post by Lsc on Nov 11, 2024 17:49:44 GMT -5
You planning on doing an A/B comparison when the new ones come out? Yes! Will the new sound better? All I know for sure is that the XMC-1 sounded more to my liking than the UMC-200, and the XMC-2 was even more to my liking than the XMC-1 (which shocked me at the time because I was so happy with the XMC-1). With the +Series, it may be getting into that last few percent area that may no longer be audible. If the + sounds different, whether it be darker or brighter, then I can adjust to my liking like I always do. I can also safely claim that the XMC-1 sounded better than the UMC-200 and that the XMC-2 sounds better than the XMC-1. How close can the G4P get to a very good dedicated 2 channel preamp? We shall see. |
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