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Post by rew452 on Nov 22, 2022 10:37:57 GMT -5
Having had sound problems with ShieldTV 2019 and my Oppo UDP-203:
I have chatted with Emotiva and their work around is to cycle through sound modes using the Mode key does work to restore correct sound format. Cycle from Auto through all formats ending back at Auto.
This so far has worked for me. Hopefully this can help others.
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Post by lawnsausage on Nov 22, 2022 11:16:52 GMT -5
Performed the update last night, all went perfectly as outlined in the instructions. TV came back online and XBOX now seems to switch to 4k without freezing up the RMC-1. Thats a huge improvement. Haven't had that other issue of the processor becoming slow to respond like it has a backlog of remote commands its trying to work through slowly and doesn't have the memory to handle it.
So far the only issue is the OSD is all garbled. Rebooted a couple times but for some reason I am getting a mix of regular and wingdings fonts there. Is this just a practical joke, lol?
I will take a picture of that later today...
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Post by Lonnie on Nov 22, 2022 11:29:50 GMT -5
Performed the update last night, all went perfectly as outlined in the instructions. TV came back online and XBOX now seems to switch to 4k without freezing up the RMC-1. Thats a huge improvement. Haven't had that other issue of the processor becoming slow to respond like it has a backlog of remote commands its trying to work through slowly and doesn't have the memory to handle it. So far the only issue is the OSD is all garbled. Rebooted a couple times but for some reason I am getting a mix of regular and wingdings fonts there. Is this just a practical joke, lol? I will take a picture of that later today... Do a cold boot, which is powering down the processor, turn the main power switch on the back off. Wait a good minute and switch it back on. It will rebuild the font folder and correct itself. Lonnie |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 22, 2022 12:36:13 GMT -5
I can also replicate the muting issues from any digital source (HDMI, Optical In, USB Stream). Pausing any audio track for approx 2 seconds will reproduce the mutting problem. I haven't yet reproduced the issue with analog input from the ERC-1. Edited for correction So are you saying that if you don’t hit pause there is no muting problem, but if you hit pause for 2 sec, every song will then be muted briefly at the beginning? Does that include a physical CD? Edit: I think I now see what you’re speaking of, if I play a CD for instance and while playing a track hit pause for a couple seconds, then hit play, the music starts to play immediately for less than a second, then it mutes for about the same time, then plays. I believe this is different that what PaulBe reported, but yes, it’s probably also the muting circuit. Hitting pause and immediately hitting play does not cause a mute. |
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Post by buontinh on Nov 22, 2022 14:03:12 GMT -5
I can also replicate the muting issues from any digital source (HDMI, Optical In, USB Stream). Pausing any audio track for approx 2 seconds will reproduce the mutting problem. I haven't yet reproduced the issue with analog input from the ERC-1. Edited for correction I can also replicate this anywhere while playing a song too, but also experience the same issue at the beginning of a track. I have only tried HDMI though. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 22, 2022 14:09:59 GMT -5
… Do a cold boot, which is powering down the processor, turn the main power switch on the back off. Wait a good minute and switch it back on. … Lonnie I’ve seen some confusion with that term, with some using it to refer to just turning the unit on (I agree with your usage). Always trying to capitalize on the moment, I’d suggest the following to describe how we started our G3Ps — certainly you can write it out, but knowing where you started from is helpful with troubleshooting. Cold Boot: Startup after a rear switch or ‘pull the plug’ power down Warm Boot: Startup from LPS (Low Power Standby) Hot Boot: Startup from VOS (Video On Standby) |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 22, 2022 14:12:42 GMT -5
I can also replicate the muting issues from any digital source (HDMI, Optical In, USB Stream). Pausing any audio track for approx 2 seconds will reproduce the mutting problem. I haven't yet reproduced the issue with analog input from the ERC-1. Edited for correction I can also replicate this anywhere while playing a song too, but also experience the same issue at the beginning of a track. I have only tried HDMI though. So you are getting a pause at the beginning of each song while playing a CD, while streaming (player?), or both? |
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Post by thxultra on Nov 22, 2022 14:27:48 GMT -5
Updated my XMC-2 to 3.1 and still having the metallic sound on occasion. Switching sound modes back and forth fixes it but still a issue. Also my Onkyo SACD player still is outputting DSD 5.1 which is detected by the XMC-2 but the XMC-2 locks the mode into DSD-stereo and will not playback 5.1. Processor does seem more responsive so that is a improvement. Also keep getting the updating fonts message if I do a cold boot. I leave the processor in stand by (hot boot) so this isn't as big an issue.
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Post by marcl on Nov 22, 2022 14:49:44 GMT -5
Updated my XMC-2 to 3.1 and still having the metallic sound on occasion. Switching sound modes back and forth fixes it but still a issue. Also my Onkyo SACD player still is outputting DSD 5.1 which is detected by the XMC-2 but the XMC-2 locks the mode into DSD-stereo and will not playback 5.1. Processor does seem more responsive so that is a improvement. Also keep getting the updating fonts message if I do a cold boot. I leave the processor in stand by (hot boot) so this isn't as big an issue. Can you set the Onkyo to output PCM? I do that with my OPPO - mostly because it allows Dirac to work - and it's fine with 5.1 and Atmos. That metallic noise ... no indication that anything has been attempted to fix that. I get it occasionally, especially when switching from AppleTV to PC music, or from stereo to 5.1. I think we just live with it. |
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Post by geebo on Nov 22, 2022 15:05:57 GMT -5
Updated my XMC-2 to 3.1 and still having the metallic sound on occasion. Switching sound modes back and forth fixes it but still a issue. Also my Onkyo SACD player still is outputting DSD 5.1 which is detected by the XMC-2 but the XMC-2 locks the mode into DSD-stereo and will not playback 5.1. Processor does seem more responsive so that is a improvement. Also keep getting the updating fonts message if I do a cold boot. I leave the processor in stand by (hot boot) so this isn't as big an issue. You state that the XMC recognizes the incoming stream as DSD 5.1 yet the sound mode is DSD Stereo? I just tried with my Oppo and Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here SACD and I get DSD 5.1 as the incoming stream with DSD Direct as the mode and I cannot change it. Even if I change the input's 5.1 default to Stereo I still get DSD Direct with all channels playing. The only way I can get DSD Stereo is to set the Oppo to output DSD in Stereo. Is this with a particular SACD? I'd be happy to try it if I have a copy of one that's giving you trouble. In any case it's odd and I wonder if it's unique to the Onkyo player or have others seen this with other players. |
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Post by thxultra on Nov 22, 2022 15:16:57 GMT -5
Updated my XMC-2 to 3.1 and still having the metallic sound on occasion. Switching sound modes back and forth fixes it but still a issue. Also my Onkyo SACD player still is outputting DSD 5.1 which is detected by the XMC-2 but the XMC-2 locks the mode into DSD-stereo and will not playback 5.1. Processor does seem more responsive so that is a improvement. Also keep getting the updating fonts message if I do a cold boot. I leave the processor in stand by (hot boot) so this isn't as big an issue. Can you set the Onkyo to output PCM? I do that with my OPPO - mostly because it allows Dirac to work - and it's fine with 5.1 and Atmos. That metallic noise ... no indication that anything has been attempted to fix that. I get it occasionally, especially when switching from AppleTV to PC music, or from stereo to 5.1. I think we just live with it. Ya if I switch the Onkyo to PCM it works fine. Really want to run DSD direct though as I don't use dirac. I'm kind of a nut and don't like to down res sources (also the reason I don't use DIRAC). I tried with Dire Straits Brother in Arms SACD. I used the same Onkyo player with my Marantz 7702 before I had the XMC-2 and got 5.1 DSD audio so really strange why this is the case with the XMC-2. Keep hoping a firmware update will magically fix it as I do think it is a issue with this player and the XMC-2. Strangest part is the XMC-2 recognizes the dsd 5.1 stream but output mode is locked as DSD-stereo. |
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Post by Lonnie on Nov 22, 2022 15:30:11 GMT -5
Updated my XMC-2 to 3.1 and still having the metallic sound on occasion. Switching sound modes back and forth fixes it but still a issue. Also my Onkyo SACD player still is outputting DSD 5.1 which is detected by the XMC-2 but the XMC-2 locks the mode into DSD-stereo and will not playback 5.1. Processor does seem more responsive so that is a improvement. Also keep getting the updating fonts message if I do a cold boot. I leave the processor in stand by (hot boot) so this isn't as big an issue. Would you do me a favor? Would you check your settings in your Oppo and make sure it is set to multi-channel DSD output? DSD is one of those interesting formats where it bypasses everything in the processor and goes straight to the output DACs so if it is playing in 2 channel, I suspect that is what is being sent in. Lonnie |
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Post by buontinh on Nov 22, 2022 15:39:12 GMT -5
I can also replicate this anywhere while playing a song too, but also experience the same issue at the beginning of a track. I have only tried HDMI though. So you are getting a pause at the beginning of each song while playing a CD, while streaming (player?), or both? Yes but I have only tried streaming FLAC from my Oppo 103. It doesn't do it with every tracks, but when it happens it plays for less than 1 second follows by silence for less than 1 second then resumes and play fine the rest of the track until it gets to the next track then the cycle repeat again. Of course the same track plays fine when streaming using my phone. Update. This issue isn't unique to the Oppo as it does the same thing with my phone physically connected to the XMC using a USB-C to HDMI cable. |
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Post by richardrc on Nov 22, 2022 15:56:51 GMT -5
I can also replicate this anywhere while playing a song too, but also experience the same issue at the beginning of a track. I have only tried HDMI though. So you are getting a pause at the beginning of each song while playing a CD, while streaming (player?), or both? I get a "skip" both with the pause button and sometimes between tracks on both physical CDs and streaming. Doesn't appear to happen with an analog input source. I also have my TV connected via optical to the XMC and experience long delays for the audio to turn on when changing channels, especially when the audio format changes from DD5.1 to PCM2.0. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 22, 2022 16:10:47 GMT -5
So you are getting a pause at the beginning of each song while playing a CD, while streaming (player?), or both? I get a "skip" both with the pause button and sometimes between tracks on both physical CDs and streaming. Doesn't appear to happen with an analog input source. … With my Oppo 203 and any physical CD I’ve tried, I cannot duplicate a muting at the beginning of each track, they play perfectly. I can duplicate the mute with a 2 second pause followed by play. I wouldn’t expect a problem with analog. If you want to go further with the issue you should probably open a ticket listing your Player model, and the exact CD(s) that mutes on each track. |
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Post by routlaw on Nov 22, 2022 16:30:07 GMT -5
Initially upon upgrading to 3.1 I also experienced and reported early on these same issues with my Oppo 203 via HDMI output. However that now seems to have gone away, why I have no idea. Last night I wanted to compare once again the differences in transport with the Oppo 203 vs AudioLab CDT6000 transport. Not once could did the Oppo hiccup at the beginning of tracks whether through coax or HDMI. Thats the good news. The bad news for the Oppo is once again the CDT 6000 outperformed the Oppo, but that's another topic.
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Post by fribur on Nov 22, 2022 19:38:11 GMT -5
If you choose to set the processor to low power standby, that is your choice, but honestly the processor does not draw enough juice in this mode to make any significant difference in your electric bill. Depending on where you live it is like a dollar a month. All issues discussed in this thread aside, I find this attitude a bit concerning and it’s not the first time you express that. It’s not about the individuals power bill: if every company in consumer electronics had this attitude it would have enormous consequences globally…for absolutely zero benefit whatsoever as IMHO this is just an unnecessary engineering choice. What percentage of PC, PlayStation’s, TV etc consumes more than very low singe digit watt in standby vs your 35? This is ignoring the efforts of countless of people working against such pointless waste. Just a tiny pointer: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Watt_Initiative |
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Post by PaulBe on Nov 22, 2022 20:02:41 GMT -5
If you choose to set the processor to low power standby, that is your choice, but honestly the processor does not draw enough juice in this mode to make any significant difference in your electric bill. Depending on where you live it is like a dollar a month. All issues discussed in this thread aside, I find this attitude a bit concerning and it’s not the first time you express that. It’s not about the individuals power bill: if every company in consumer electronics had this attitude it would have enormous consequences globally…for absolutely zero benefit whatsoever as IMHO this is just an unnecessary engineering choice. What percentage of PC, PlayStation’s, TV etc consumes more than very low singe digit watt in standby vs your 35? This is ignoring the efforts of countless of people working against such pointless waste. Just a tiny pointer: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Watt_InitiativeThinking about pointless waste, do you have a degree in gas-lighting and virtue signaling? |
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Post by geebo on Nov 22, 2022 20:14:39 GMT -5
If you choose to set the processor to low power standby, that is your choice, but honestly the processor does not draw enough juice in this mode to make any significant difference in your electric bill. Depending on where you live it is like a dollar a month. All issues discussed in this thread aside, I find this attitude a bit concerning and it’s not the first time you express that. It’s not about the individuals power bill: if every company in consumer electronics had this attitude it would have enormous consequences globally…for absolutely zero benefit whatsoever as IMHO this is just an unnecessary engineering choice. What percentage of PC, PlayStation’s, TV etc consumes more than very low singe digit watt in standby vs your 35? This is ignoring the efforts of countless of people working against such pointless waste. Just a tiny pointer: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Watt_Initiative"for absolutely zero benefit whatsoever" is not quite accurate. Lots of people us it to watch sources connected to the processor and be able to change sources and volume. It has a lot more benefits than your TV, Playstation or PC can provide while in standby which is essentially zero. That functionality doesn't come without a cost. And it also provides a much quicker start up time for when you want to use the processor with connected amps and speakers. Personally I never use VRO because I really don't mind the boot time and I have sources connected to the TV so I don't need that functionality. But lots of people use it and prefer it greatly to LPS. To them it's far from an "unnecessary engineering choice". Emotiva gives us a choice. |
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Post by fribur on Nov 22, 2022 20:51:09 GMT -5
Perfectly aware of the benefit of having HDMI pass trough and the shorter boot up time. My point is "no benefit compared to achieving this without this waste". Random google search, spec YAMAHA RX-V573_V473: Standby Power Consumption HDMI Control Off, Standby Through Off............................0.1 W or less HDMI Control On, Standby Through On (No Signals)...1.0 W (Typical) Network Standby On ................................................................2.0 W (Typical) So why again 35W for Emotiva? Makes me worried about this unanswered question regarding the 200W power supply in G4: "Q) A larger 200 Watt power supply is spec’d for the G4P, the current G3P draw about 38 Watts, how much wattage will the new G4P use at idle?"
No intention to gas light, just providing a counter balance to this dismissive "not a big deal" attitude from Emotiva. |
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