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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2022 13:44:26 GMT -5
Just keeping up on the “what if” scenario.
With Legacy, I have come up with a 5 channel amplifier that more than satisfies my power requirements. That being said, I’d be very interested in seeing if Emotiva has a ONE BOX solution in this power range. Lots of confusion (for me) on the website. …..trying to come up with a minimum of 400 Watts per channel @8ohm. times five. legacyaudio.com/products/view/i-v5
That being said this legacy technology is extremely interesting to me, and most likely I will go down this road if necessary.
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Post by Lsc on Nov 19, 2022 13:56:46 GMT -5
That’s a $7000 amp so it’s playing at a different level than Emotiva.
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2022 13:59:31 GMT -5
That’s a $7000 amp so it’s playing at a different level than Emotiva. Thanks 🙏….. concerned only with the power specs not the price |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2022 14:06:21 GMT -5
I will put this another way…… Does anyone who understands the Emotiva amplifier section better than I do tell me what is the maximum watts per channel at eight ohms that can be had from Emotiva from one box? (Five channels only.)
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Post by marcl on Nov 19, 2022 14:06:31 GMT -5
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 19, 2022 14:09:31 GMT -5
Whoa! Now we’re talking thank you. I will research that one. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on Nov 19, 2022 14:11:53 GMT -5
I would expect Emotiva to bring out a modular Class D replacement or addition to the G3 series. I, tired of waiting, got the VTV with Pascal Modules which comes in at a rated 400+ WPC @ 8Ω, you can order even channel counts from 2 — 8 (I have 16 channels @ 400 W, idling @ 68W for the lot) They also make them with other modules (Hypex, Purifi) at lower power and 5 channel configurations. My only misgiving with the Pascal version is that the power indicator either shows ‘plugged in’ (not on/off) or nothing — I choose nothing. vtvamplifier.com/Pascal L-PRO2S Product SheetEdit: I believe the maximum for a 5 channel amp from Emotiva is 200WPC |
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Post by Boomzilla on Nov 19, 2022 14:51:46 GMT -5
Class-D modules are getting simultaneously smaller and more powerful all the time. Keep an eye on the likes of Pyle, Parts-Express, etc.
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Post by marcl on Nov 19, 2022 16:00:08 GMT -5
Whoa! Now we’re talking thank you. I will research that one. I've been using a Nord One two-channel (700W/ch 4ohms) for my front Magnepan 3.7's for about 3 1/2 years. Very happy with it and the purchasing process was very good ... update emails from Colin, answered questions, etc. Lots of new options since then. Apollon is another source. apollonaudio.com/ |
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 19, 2022 19:09:47 GMT -5
ATI manufacturers very powerful multichannel amps Class D and Class A/B. Top notch construction and reliability.
Russ
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Post by garbulky on Nov 19, 2022 22:46:32 GMT -5
Those watt figures...hmmm. I wonder what the continuous power figures are on those?
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Post by vcautokid on Nov 20, 2022 1:29:45 GMT -5
That is a great question. True RMS 20hz to 20Khz into 8 ohms. The 1Khz spec is useless. But I have a feeling they can. It is getting really good and economies of scale hopefully will fall into line. $7000.00 is allot of money even for 2000 watts of power.
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Post by leonski on Nov 21, 2022 14:51:51 GMT -5
Just keeping up on the “what if” scenario.
With Legacy, I have come up with a 5 channel amplifier that more than satisfies my power requirements. That being said, I’d be very interested in seeing if Emotiva has a ONE BOX solution in this power range. Lots of confusion (for me) on the website. …..trying to come up with a minimum of 400 Watts per channel @8ohm. times five. legacyaudio.com/products/view/i-v5
That being said this legacy technology is extremely interesting to me, and most likely I will go down this road if necessary.
Any particular Reason for 400 x 8? You'd need some very low sensitivity speakers to make use of such power.....Not to mention the fact that a conventional 20 amp circuit won't provide enough power..... What would make that road 'necessary'? OH! I get it. A 'd' amp. Which means the power is advisory and short term.....there not being enough heat sink for sustained FULL POWER. And that's also how they get away with what I hope is a 20 amp circuit requirement...... I see some huge current in specifications.....Which are also Bogus, unless it counts at some VERY low voltage and maybe 20% distortion. If you start working your way BACK thru the specs? Some maximum power listed at 1%. I'd take that to be the maximum SHORT TERM power...... If I were WEALTHY (like stinkin' Rich!) I'd have a brace of Parasound JC1 or a stack of something from Pass Labs.....Or even a couple Sanders MagTech...... But THAN? I'd need a new house to go WITH IT. And a 200 amp service with a dedicated panel for JUST the audio / video room..... Early ICE amps (ASP series) had strict time limits at maximum power. My INTERNATIONAL RECTIFIER 'reference board' amp.....AUDAMP7 is also time limitd. Very light? yep. Small form factor? Nice! Outputs on a nice chunk of heat sink? Sure And don't forget that even at 80%.......the 20% left over is HEAT and 20% of 500 is 100 watts.....about the output of a person..... |
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Post by pedrocols on Nov 22, 2022 0:57:15 GMT -5
That’s a $7000 amp so it’s playing at a different level than Emotiva. The price of the amp is arbitrary. I am sure there are apms out there that are as good for a lot lot less. |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 22, 2022 10:39:25 GMT -5
redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=1381179&u=https%3A//legacyaudio.com/products/view/i-v5 As can often happen with some of these threads, they can easily become sidetracked or derailed. In an effort to continue this thread and not have that happen I have re-posted the link above and will say again what I’m looking for specifically. On a single chassis, a multi channel amp that delivers a minimum of 400 W rms at eight ohm to five channels.… And nothing else. My research has shown that to that specifications very few exist. My current Sunfire cinema grand signature is in fact a 405 W times five that’s been in my rack since 2001 no longer made. The above link in the top of this post is a perfect example of what I’m looking for, but not necessarily the one certainly I wouldn’t mind spending less than seven grand, that being said, I’m much more concerned about the specifications than the price, and would rather stay away from the price in the discussion, and just look at the specs. one previous post indicated that an amplifier that meets the criteria are abundantly out there…… Not so
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 22, 2022 10:42:04 GMT -5
My thanks to those here, who have posted in a meaningful and useful way. Some of the answers have been hugely helpful to me!
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Post by audiosyndrome on Nov 22, 2022 11:11:37 GMT -5
Or just get two of these from ATI: ati-amp.com/at54x-series/Ncore, much better than Ice. $4.700 each and with numerous dealers probably get 20% off. Russ |
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Post by KeithL on Nov 22, 2022 11:49:40 GMT -5
To answer the first question first... no...
We do not currently offer an amplifier that delivers 400 watts/channel x 5 into 8 Ohms in a single chassis.
The XPR-5, which we discontinued some time ago, was the last model we offered that did so.
I will also offer my opinion - which is that this does seem like a somewhat arbitrary requirement...
To me there are many things that matter more when choosing a high fidelity amplifier than a simple power specification.
(And this is especially true in multi-channel situations - where "continuous power - all channels driven" is not an especially useful specification to begin with.
(That spec is great for test tones, or running electric heaters, but is unrealistic for playing music.)
And, to be quite blunt, it's a lot more power than most people need... especially for surround sound.
However, that said, there don't seem to be very many home theater amplifiers around that put that much power in a single chassis any more.
(And I am a bit surprised about that.... )
Most of our customers would simply put an XPA-DR2 and an XPA-DR3 in their rack and call it a day....
(To be fair most of our customers would be perfectly satisfied with an XPA-5 in a surround sound system.)
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 22, 2022 12:54:03 GMT -5
To answer the first question first... no... We do not currently offer an amplifier that delivers 400 watts/channel x 5 into 8 Ohms in a single chassis. The XPR-5, which we discontinued some time ago, was the last model we offered that did so. I will also offer my opinion - which is that this does seem like a somewhat arbitrary requirement... To me there are many things that matter more when choosing a high fidelity amplifier than a simple power specification. (And this is especially true in multi-channel situations - where "continuous power - all channels driven" is not an especially useful specification to begin with. (That spec is great for test tones, or running electric heaters, but is unrealistic for playing music.) And, to be quite blunt, it's a lot more power than most people need... especially for surround sound. However, that said, there don't seem to be very many home theater amplifiers around that put that much power in a single chassis any more. (And I am a bit surprised about that.... ) Most of our customers would simply put an XPA-DR2 and an XPA-DR3 in their rack and call it a day.... (To be fair most of our customers would be perfectly satisfied with an XPA-5 in a surround sound system.) Thanks Keith, You’re right on the money (as usual). Arbitrary requirement YES….if The power requirements were my primary consideration. For years now I have been enjoying an elegantly simple layout in my room with that single chassis configuration…… Rather than a rather imposing rack of electronics. My surrounds do not require 400 watts, however, accomplishing my goal in reducing the number of black boxes out there means some compromise, and that compromise is overkill for power to some of those channels. My system is unimposing. The IC20 is engineered to be up flush with the wall and roughly 3 feet from a corner. Everything is neat, simple, and Tucked away. My room looks like a living room, not a home theater room…… Until you turn that volume up and are properly blown away. |
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Post by 405x5 on Nov 22, 2022 12:56:10 GMT -5
Or just get two of these from ATI: ati-amp.com/at54x-series/Ncore, much better than Ice. $4.700 each and with numerous dealers probably get 20% off. Russ Thanks for that. Two units is a dealbreaker, however. |
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