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Post by AudioHTIT on May 20, 2025 19:00:48 GMT -5
Do the Marantz (like the AV10 and upcoming 20) have any concept like speaker presets (similar to the Emos), for example Multichannel and Stereo presets?
What about Triggers, it looks like there are 2, can they be fired independently? What options are available for firing them (inputs, format, speaker presets)?
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Post by PaulBe on May 20, 2025 19:57:31 GMT -5
Do the Marantz (like the AV10 and upcoming 20) have any concept like speaker presets (similar to the Emos), for example Multichannel and Stereo presets? What about Triggers, it looks like there are 2, can they be fired independently? What options are available for firing them (inputs, format, speaker presets)? The AV20 and AMP20 were presented by Marantz today in an email: www.marantz.com/en-us/product/av-separates/av-20/301022.htmlwww.youtube.com/watch?v=ljZZunzszVIThe AV10 has 2 speaker presets that are highly customizable since most of the outputs are assignable. For one example, I set preset 2 for 5.1 and assign the surround channels to the back channel outputs. This mimics correct placement for the surrounds with 5.1 sources played in a 7.1 or 9.1 layout, without having to physically swap XLR cables. This may also be useful with the 4 channel X surround recordings. Many options can be applied. Presets work in conjunction with "SOUND MODE' controls. I can do much more with the AV10 presets than with my RMC-1L presets - more than I have a reason to use. Find a manual online. The work flow is a bit different on the AV10 than the EMOs. There is an 'Advanced' function for 2 channel playback that can also distribute bass to the LFE channel. It works in conjunction with a speaker preset, and has several controls. I haven't played with this setting yet. I bypass the processor for most 2 channel playback, but the 2 channel playback from the processor is very close to the 2 channel playback through my 2 channel preamp. The 2 triggers are independently assignable to Inputs, HDMI Outputs, and Zones, in any combination of On or Off. I don't use them so I can't say much more about them. I didn't use the triggers on my RMC-1L. |
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Post by aswiss on May 20, 2025 20:11:24 GMT -5
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 21, 2025 8:43:42 GMT -5
The 2 triggers are independently assignable to Inputs, HDMI Outputs, and Zones, in any combination of On or Off. I don't use them so I can't say much more about them. I didn't use the triggers on my RMC-1L. Thanks, I hadn’t found the Trigger description in the manual, but now see it won’t trigger on Speaker Preaet. |
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Post by PaulBe on May 21, 2025 9:25:45 GMT -5
The 2 triggers are independently assignable to Inputs, HDMI Outputs, and Zones, in any combination of On or Off. I don't use them so I can't say much more about them. I didn't use the triggers on my RMC-1L. Thanks, I hadn’t found the Trigger description in the manual, but now see it won’t trigger on Speaker Preaet. Like I said, the work flow is a bit different on the AV10 than the EMOs. There is a seperate set of controls in the General Menu called 'Smart Select' and it enables or disables various features for 4 different setups. The menus for Smart Select have the same options list for each Smart Select. Speaker Preset enabling is one of the options in each of the 4 Smart Selects. The 4 Smart Select setups are picked with buttons on the remote. Speaker Presets are picked with the Remote or GUI. Smart Selects work with either Speaker Preset. Automation is not high on my priority list so I don't spend much time on this stuff. But, my impression is the automation function on the AV10 is very sophisticated. I am interested in what you discover. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2025 9:36:26 GMT -5
At least Marantz and others have had DLBC working for a while. How well it works, I guess can be researched. ART ... well until SOMEBODY other than Storm gets it, we just sit tight and wait ... because Storm does Dirac a bit differently than everybody else, with more filters and 96KHz processing.
The most important thing I'd want to know about Marantz Dirac implementation is if they allow us to retain control of speaker Levels after calibration. Some - like Primare, for example - do not. That would be a show-stopper for me because sometimes what you do in the Target Curve intentionally causes a speaker's level to be a little high or low and you need to be able to fine tune it after calibration. In fact, even if you don't do any clever tricks in Target Curves, sometimes psychoacoustics dictate an adjustment to the Levels.
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Post by lhracing on May 21, 2025 10:33:25 GMT -5
I was a processor EMO user for a long time, UMC-1, XMC-1, XMC-2 and still have an XMC-1. I wanted to get something with DLBC, last November, not sure when the XMC-2+ would be available and if it would have DLBC I purchased a Cinema 30 for a good price on a Black Friday special. I wanted the Cinema 30 because it has selectable DAC modes like the AV10 but not the $7000 cost.
I set it up in a 5.3.4 configuration as a preamp using my existing amplifiers a JBL SDA4600 and Emo XPA-7 Gen 3. Even with only RCA outs everything worked flawless and sounded great! After some time, I decided to try removing the XPA-7 and just use the 30,s internal amplifiers for everything but the Fronts (because the JBL M2's require bi-amping and the JBL tuning files). The 30 has excellent class AB internal amplifiers and for my use more than enough power so that is how I left my system configured. I sold the XMC-2 and the XPA-7, haven't looked back. The system just works every time I turn it on and sounds excellent. DLBC is different and took me a little time to understand but now after using it I like the results.
I am sure the AV20 will be an excellent processor just like the AV10. For me, Marantz's flag ship AVR, the Cinema 30 is everything that I wanted, near AV10 performance but with fewer channels, DLBC and it simplified my installation by using its internal amplifiers.
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Post by doc1963 on May 21, 2025 10:34:09 GMT -5
... The most important thing I'd want to know about Marantz Dirac implementation is if they allow us to retain control of speaker Levels after calibration. Some - like Primare, for example - do not. That would be a show-stopper for me because sometimes what you do in the Target Curve intentionally causes a speaker's level to be a little high or low and you need to be able to fine tune it after calibration. In fact, even if you don't do any clever tricks in Target Curves, sometimes psychoacoustics dictate an adjustment to the Levels. Shane goes through the Dirac setup in the Audioholics review. I didn't watch the whole thing, so I'm not sure how much detail he actually goes into since the AV20 and the AMP20 share the same initial review space. The link to that video was posted on the last page, but I'll post it again here. It's broken into chapters, so you can skip right to the "Dirac Setup" section if you wish...  |
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Post by lhracing on May 21, 2025 10:48:30 GMT -5
The most important thing I'd want to know about Marantz Dirac implementation is if they allow us to retain control of speaker Levels after calibration. Some - like Primare, for example - do not. That would be a show-stopper for me because sometimes what you do in the Target Curve intentionally causes a speaker's level to be a little high or low and you need to be able to fine tune it after calibration. In fact, even if you don't do any clever tricks in Target Curves, sometimes psychoacoustics dictate an adjustment to the Levels. As for speaker levels, when using DLBC my Marantz does not allow changes, I am not sure if this is a Marantz or DLBC constraint. I think it is DLBC because it controls the crossovers and sub interaction, any changes after calibration would change this. |
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Post by PaulBe on May 21, 2025 11:06:00 GMT -5
... The most important thing I'd want to know about Marantz Dirac implementation is if they allow us to retain control of speaker Levels after calibration. Some - like Primare, for example - do not. That would be a show-stopper for me because sometimes what you do in the Target Curve intentionally causes a speaker's level to be a little high or low and you need to be able to fine tune it after calibration. In fact, even if you don't do any clever tricks in Target Curves, sometimes psychoacoustics dictate an adjustment to the Levels. Shane goes through the Dirac setup in the Audioholics review. I didn't watch the whole thing, so I'm not sure how much detail he actually goes into since the AV20 and the AMP20 share the same initial review space. The link to that video was posted on the last page, but I'll post it again here. It's broken into chapters, so you can skip right to the "Dirac Setup" section if you wish... Shane does a nice job of going through the Web UI. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 21, 2025 11:22:05 GMT -5
Thanks, I hadn’t found the Trigger description in the manual, but now see it won’t trigger on Speaker Preaet. Like I said, the work flow is a bit different on the AV10 than the EMOs. There is a seperate set of controls in the General Menu called 'Smart Select' and it enables or disables various features for 4 different setups. The menus for Smart Select have the same options list for each Smart Select. Speaker Preset enabling is one of the options in each of the 4 Smart Selects. The 4 Smart Select setups are picked with buttons on the remote. Speaker Presets are picked with the Remote or Gui. Smart Selects work with either Speaker Preset. Automation is not high on my priority list so I don't spend much time on this stuff. But, my impression is the automation function on the AV10 is very sophisticated. I am interested in what you discover. The Emo doesn’t allow Trigger on speaker preset either (though I have asked for it). My main motivation for switching processors would be features, and I’d really like this one. I tried ChatGPT, which confirmed what’s been said, and I tried a follow up with your Smart Select suggestion, it seemed to say that would not solve the problem (at the end I actually tell ChatGPT what problem I’m trying to solve). I removed some of the suggested workarounds as they didn’t really work. Me: Can the Marantz AV10 activate a specific trigger (1 or 2) based on which speaker preset is selected?
ChatGPT: Here’s what you can assign trigger outputs to: The AV10’s Trigger Out settings can be configured based on: • Power status (e.g., Always On, Power On, or Power Off) • Input source (e.g., Blu-ray, CD, Game, etc.) • Zone (e.g., Main Zone, Zone 2, etc.) But not based on the selected Speaker Preset.Workarounds (if needed): If you need to activate specific gear based on the speaker layout (e.g., Atmos vs. stereo), consider: • Using a macro with a universal remote or control system (like Control4, Crestron, or Logitech Harmony) that sets both the speaker preset and triggers specific outputs. • Employing an IR or RS-232 control system that can send commands to switch presets and activate external trigger devices in sequence. ChatGPT: Let me know if you want help designing a workaround for a specific setup. Me: Would the AV10’s Smart Select configurations possibly allow a workaround and let me activate triggers when a different speaker preset is used? ChatGPT: Great follow-up — the Smart Select feature on the Marantz AV10 could potentially help implement a workaround, but it has important limitations. What Smart Select does: Smart Select buttons (on the remote or front panel) allow you to store and recall a group of settings with a single press. These include: • Input source • Volume level • Audyssey settings • Speaker Preset (1 or 2) • Sound mode • Trigger output status ( depending on input) What it doesn’t do directly: Smart Select does not let you assign Trigger 1 or 2 based solely on the speaker preset. However: Workaround Using Smart Select: You can create different Smart Select presets, each with: • A different Speaker Preset • A different Input Source • An associated Trigger Out assignment Since trigger outputs can be assigned to specific input sources, the AV10 could activate a different trigger when Smart Select changes to a different input (even if you’re not really changing sources for playback). … details removed …Summary: • No, triggers can’t follow speaker presets directly. • But Smart Select can switch both speaker presets and input sources, and trigger outputs can be tied to those input sources, giving you a functional workaround. ChatGPT: Let me know your gear and how you want triggers to behave — I can help you design Smart Selects or macros tailored to that.
Me: I want to be able to listen to one source (like a turntable or Apple TV), then switch between two different speaker presets, and at the same time switch between the two different Triggers.ChatGPT: Thanks — that’s a clear use case, and it does hit a limitation of the Marantz AV10. Core Limitation Recap: • The AV10 lets you assign triggers based on input sources, not speaker presets. • Smart Select can recall a speaker preset and change input — but you want to keep the same source and just change the speaker preset and trigger output. So: You cannot switch only the speaker preset and have the AV10 automatically switch between Trigger 1 and Trigger 2 — not directly, not even with Smart Select — because the trigger assignments are not linked to speaker presets and Smart Select cannot toggle triggers independently of the input source. |
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Post by PaulBe on May 21, 2025 11:41:21 GMT -5
Like I said, the work flow is a bit different on the AV10 than the EMOs. There is a seperate set of controls in the General Menu called 'Smart Select' and it enables or disables various features for 4 different setups. The menus for Smart Select have the same options list for each Smart Select. Speaker Preset enabling is one of the options in each of the 4 Smart Selects. The 4 Smart Select setups are picked with buttons on the remote. Speaker Presets are picked with the Remote or Gui. Smart Selects work with either Speaker Preset. Automation is not high on my priority list so I don't spend much time on this stuff. But, my impression is the automation function on the AV10 is very sophisticated. I am interested in what you discover. The Emo doesn’t allow Trigger on speaker preset either (though I have asked for it). My main motivation for switching processors would be features, and I’d really like this one. I tried ChatGPT, which confirmed what’s been said, and I tried a follow up with your Smart Select suggestion, it seemed to say that would not solve the problem (at the end I actually tell ChatGPT what problem I’m trying to solve). I removed some of the suggested workarounds as they didn’t really work. Me: Can the Marantz AV10 activate a specific trigger (1 or 2) based on which speaker preset is selected?
ChatGPT: Here’s what you can assign trigger outputs to: The AV10’s Trigger Out settings can be configured based on: • Power status (e.g., Always On, Power On, or Power Off) • Input source (e.g., Blu-ray, CD, Game, etc.) • Zone (e.g., Main Zone, Zone 2, etc.) But not based on the selected Speaker Preset.Workarounds (if needed): If you need to activate specific gear based on the speaker layout (e.g., Atmos vs. stereo), consider: • Using a macro with a universal remote or control system (like Control4, Crestron, or Logitech Harmony) that sets both the speaker preset and triggers specific outputs. • Employing an IR or RS-232 control system that can send commands to switch presets and activate external trigger devices in sequence. ChatGPT: Let me know if you want help designing a workaround for a specific setup. Me: Would the AV10’s Smart Select configurations possibly allow a workaround and let me activate triggers when a different speaker preset is used? ChatGPT: Great follow-up — the Smart Select feature on the Marantz AV10 could potentially help implement a workaround, but it has important limitations. What Smart Select does: Smart Select buttons (on the remote or front panel) allow you to store and recall a group of settings with a single press. These include: • Input source • Volume level • Audyssey settings • Speaker Preset (1 or 2) • Sound mode • Trigger output status ( depending on input) What it doesn’t do directly: Smart Select does not let you assign Trigger 1 or 2 based solely on the speaker preset. However: Workaround Using Smart Select: You can create different Smart Select presets, each with: • A different Speaker Preset • A different Input Source • An associated Trigger Out assignment Since trigger outputs can be assigned to specific input sources, the AV10 could activate a different trigger when Smart Select changes to a different input (even if you’re not really changing sources for playback). … details removed …Summary: • No, triggers can’t follow speaker presets directly. • But Smart Select can switch both speaker presets and input sources, and trigger outputs can be tied to those input sources, giving you a functional workaround. ChatGPT: Let me know your gear and how you want triggers to behave — I can help you design Smart Selects or macros tailored to that.
Me: I want to be able to listen to one source (like a turntable or Apple TV), then switch between two different speaker presets, and at the same time switch between the two different Triggers.ChatGPT: Thanks — that’s a clear use case, and it does hit a limitation of the Marantz AV10. Core Limitation Recap: • The AV10 lets you assign triggers based on input sources, not speaker presets. • Smart Select can recall a speaker preset and change input — but you want to keep the same source and just change the speaker preset and trigger output. So: You cannot switch only the speaker preset and have the AV10 automatically switch between Trigger 1 and Trigger 2 — not directly, not even with Smart Select — because the trigger assignments are not linked to speaker presets and Smart Select cannot toggle triggers independently of the input source. Wow. I am impressed with what you found on ChatGPT. It seem like Chat GPT cuts through all the marketing gobbledygook and gives a real answer for technical questions. Thanks for your search and reply. |
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Post by AudioHTIT on May 21, 2025 13:52:25 GMT -5
The Emo doesn’t allow Trigger on speaker preset either (though I have asked for it). My main motivation for switching processors would be features, and I’d really like this one. I tried ChatGPT, which confirmed what’s been said, and I tried a follow up with your Smart Select suggestion, it seemed to say that would not solve the problem (at the end I actually tell ChatGPT what problem I’m trying to solve). I removed some of the suggested workarounds as they didn’t really work. ... Wow. I am impressed with what you found on ChatGPT. It seem like Chat GPT cuts through all the marketing gobbledygook and gives a real answer for technical questions. Thanks for your search and reply. I agree, it understood exactly what I asked, and seems to have come to the correct conclusion (I know that's not always the case). I've used it more and more for things like this (less technical things also), and often start with ChatGPT instead of Google (though it certainly uses Google as one of its resources). Unfortunately, for me, the answer makes the AV10 decision more difficult. |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2025 14:23:33 GMT -5
... The most important thing I'd want to know about Marantz Dirac implementation is if they allow us to retain control of speaker Levels after calibration. Some - like Primare, for example - do not. That would be a show-stopper for me because sometimes what you do in the Target Curve intentionally causes a speaker's level to be a little high or low and you need to be able to fine tune it after calibration. In fact, even if you don't do any clever tricks in Target Curves, sometimes psychoacoustics dictate an adjustment to the Levels. Shane goes through the Dirac setup in the Audioholics review. I didn't watch the whole thing, so I'm not sure how much detail he actually goes into since the AV20 and the AMP20 share the same initial review space. Well that was interesting. I noted that he says the RMC-1 is very comparable in sound to the Trinnov. And relative to previous Marantz processors he's reviewed, he thinks the AV20 is on par with the RMC-1 in sound quality. I also noted Marantz still has one of the dumbest features ever added to a processor ... Directional Bass! Comparable in stupidity to the default Target Curves in Dirac that actually don't correct the bass resonances in the room .... Marantz Directional Bass allows you to defeat the whole purpose of having multiple subwoofers. No technology has ever been invented, that can't be corrupted, circumvented or bastardized by the Marketing Department! |
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Post by PaulBe on May 21, 2025 16:25:56 GMT -5
Wow. I am impressed with what you found on ChatGPT. It seem like Chat GPT cuts through all the marketing gobbledygook and gives a real answer for technical questions. Thanks for your search and reply. I agree, it understood exactly what I asked, and seems to have come to the correct conclusion (I know that's not always the case). I've used it more and more for things like this (less technical things also), and often start with ChatGPT instead of Google (though it certainly uses Google as one of its resources). Unfortunately, for me, the answer makes the AV10 decision more difficult. AI’s Prime Directive: Stunning Realization From ChatGPT Itself www.technocracy.news/ais-prime-directive-stunning-realization-from-chatgpt-itself/ |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 24, 2025 15:36:48 GMT -5
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Post by geebo on May 24, 2025 15:41:26 GMT -5
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“As you know, the frame rate of most movies and series is 24 frames per second while TV programming can be in 25, 30, 50 or 60fps. In the future, high frame rate content will go beyond to 100, 120 or even higher frame rates. If your media player has frame rate matching (for example Apple TV 4K with 'Match Frame Rate'), the HDMI output mode will alternate based on what you are watching at any given time to ensure judder-free video playback. The TV must then change its refresh rate to match to avoid motion judder, i.e. 24, 50, 60, 120Hz etc. This change in refresh rate introduces a short black screen. The situation outlined above is what QMS is designed to solve. Although QMS is based on HDMI 2.1's VRR system – and now officially called QMS-VRR – "QMS is a separate feature from VRR", Brad Bramy of the HDMI organization told FlatpanelsHD.. In other words you cannot expect that any existing TVs with VRR automatically support QMS. It is possible to add QMS via a firmware update, as long as specific hardware requirements are met, but it is entirely up to the manufacturer.” www.flatpanelshd.com/guide.php?subaction=showfull&id=1679669681 |
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Post by LCSeminole on May 24, 2025 19:20:31 GMT -5
Interestingly enough, most of the flat panels on the market that are capable of VRR, don't support QMS. Mainly LG for their last three model years and a smattering of Samsung top line models. Sony seems to be sitting this feature out for the time being as many of their mid-line and up TVs are VRR capable(my OLED included) but no QMS.
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