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Post by parrothd on Nov 9, 2009 15:40:15 GMT -5
Just when I was ready to place my order on a ERC-1, Oppo comes out with the BDP-83se upgrade with the ESS Sabre32 Ultra DACs.
I love my BDP-83 but felt the 2-channel audio lacked even compared to my DV79Avi. I've heard the ERC-1 which convinced me to replace the Pioneer but now I wonder if I should settle in with what I have for now and see if the new upgrade has any meat to it.
Any ERC-1 user have any thoughts about it. I'm converting my receiver over to an Emotiva processor/amp still swaying on the direction of the ERC just beacuse an all Emotiva system looks sooo good together.
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Post by darkvisions on Nov 10, 2009 15:12:34 GMT -5
I have no intention of upgrading my BDP-83. When I use the dedicated two channel out to my Anthem AVM-30 I keep the Anthem in Analog DSP to take advantage of the processing in the Anthem. I never listen to CD's in the Oppo, just concert DVD's, SACD, DVD-Audio, standard DVD's and Bluy-Ray discs.
In my system with my ears the ERC-1 smokes the Oppo for CD's. I listened to both units extensively in Analog direct through the Anthem and the ERC-1 sounded a lot better to me.
I had my SPL meter out and made sure the volume was the same for both players for each disc we were playing.
Not an exact science but it was close enough for me to make a decision. Again this is with my system, in my room, with my ears. Everyone hears differently so it is subjective and it is always a good idea to listen for yourself and make the decision that is best for you.
I don't see any reason to spend another $300.00 when I already have the ERC-1.
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 10, 2009 15:19:10 GMT -5
I have no intention of upgrading my BDP-83. When I use the dedicated two channel out to my Anthem AVM-30 I keep the Anthem in Analog DSP to take advantage of the processing in the Anthem. I never listen to CD's in the Oppo, just concert DVD's, SACD, DVD-Audio, standard DVD's and Bluy-Ray discs. In my system with my ears the ERC-1 smokes the Oppo for CD's. I listened to both units extensively in Analog direct through the Anthem and the ERC-1 sounded a lot better to me. I had my SPL meter out and made sure the volume was the same for both players for each disc we were playing. Not an exact science but it was close enough for me to make a decision. Again this is with my system, in my room, with my ears. Everyone hears differently so it is subjective and it is always a good idea to listen for yourself and make the decision that is best for you. I don't see any reason to spend another $300.00 when I already have the ERC-1. I already have the upgraded Oppo - it is the ERC-1. I just put them in the same rack and pretend they are one unit.  I don't see how the upgrade could be better than that combo. |
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Post by parrothd on Nov 10, 2009 15:45:01 GMT -5
I don't see any reason to spend another $300.00 when I already have the ERC-1. I can send my Oppo in and have the conversion done for a non-refundable $300 hoping the conversion is my audio nirvana or spend a bit more on a unit that has numerous reviews and comes with a 30-day return policy. I guess I just made up my mind. |
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Post by jedinite24 on Nov 10, 2009 16:55:22 GMT -5
I have both the ERC-1 and Oppo BDP-83 and I'm wondering as well about whether or not to pay for the upgrade to the Oppo BDP-83 SE. I was so happy with the ERC-1 sound that it never popped into my head to compare the BDP-83 to the ERC-1 for CD listening. Even with the little quirks the ERC-1 has (1 second omission of 1st track played on first start up, inability to keep blue lights dim all the time) the music that comes from it sounds GREAT.
Right now my Oppo BDP-83 is en route to Oppo for repair. It kept locking up around the 1 hour mark of some Blu Ray movies. So I sent it to them not knowing about the SE upgrade. Now I'm thinking about the upgrade since my BDP-83 is on the way to them anyway. I'd save on shipping and time. My Music set up is a lot better than my HT set-up speaker wise. In my 7.1 HT set up I have speakers from Polk and a pair of Mirage Omnisat V2s. Not the most high-end speakers out there but not on the low-end either I think.
I'm worried about diminishing returns or no improvement in sound if I upgrade the Oppo. Do you have to have really NICE quality speakers to hear the difference for the upgrade? Will the upgrade be head and shoulders above the normal Oppo BDP-83? I'm tempted to get the upgrade but in order for me to do the upgrade I'd have to sell my ERC-1. I don't know if I want to do that since my Oppo is less than a year old and it started to have problems. The ERC-1 already sounds great in my system.
Sorry I'm not much help. JD
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Post by tchaik on Nov 14, 2009 16:53:03 GMT -5
parrothd,
assuming the quality is similar between the erc-1 and the cd section of the oppo se, i would get the erc-1 at the ridiculously low price of 319 on sale (i paid full price about 2 months ago).... benefits...........brand new player, don't need to give up your oppo for the upgrade, everybody's happy.
btw...i have both the oppo bdp-83 and the erc-1. wouldn't give up either. they both do exceptionally well what they were designed to do. not tempted in the least to get the upgrade.
tchaik..........
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Post by tchaik on Nov 14, 2009 16:55:21 GMT -5
parrothd,
buy the erc-1.
do it! do it!!
tchaik..........
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Post by siccivic420 on Nov 15, 2009 17:43:09 GMT -5
I'm having same problem that new oppo SE blu-ray player looks to be great and i have a few blu-ray audio only disc
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Post by Animo on Nov 15, 2009 17:49:57 GMT -5
One point to remember about the Oppo upgrade....
not only is 2channel reproduction going to be better than on the standard BDP-83, but also going to improve the audio across the board for home theater.
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Post by siccivic420 on Nov 15, 2009 17:56:34 GMT -5
plus i have a bunch of sacd and dvd-audio disc not too mention blu-ray concerts
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Post by siccivic420 on Nov 15, 2009 17:58:03 GMT -5
does anyone know if oppo ever does holiday sales?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2009 20:29:54 GMT -5
One point to remember about the Oppo upgrade.... not only is 2channel reproduction going to be better than on the standard BDP-83, but also going to improve the audio across the board for home theater. Animo, I own both the ERC-1 and the Oppo 83 but have paid little attention to this upgrade talk until now. Are you saying that the 83SE improvements in the home theater sound are only in the multi-channel analog outs? Previously I had heard comments that the sound quality of Dolby True HD and DTS MA are virtually the same between using the analog outs (which I'm using now with my older receiver) and using the HDMI out (which I'll use on the XMC-1). So now you are saying that the sound quality using the multi-channel analog outs will be superior to using the HDMI outs because of the 83SE new chip? Do I follow this correctly? The only problem I see with this is that of course one would have the 5 extra RCA cables required versus a single HDMI cable, sort of canceling the HDMI cable advantage. The sound I now hear from my Blu-Ray discs is very fine indeed. The 83SE is suppose to make an audible improvement thru the analog outs but will be sound the same as the original 83 on sound sent thru the HDMI out? I am not really interested in the two channel improvement because I prefer my two channel playback thru Dolby Pro IIx. Thanks for any clarification on this. ;D |
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Post by casey01 on Nov 15, 2009 21:32:13 GMT -5
Always remember that any analog out setting directly from the player is going to significantly limit your bass management options that you would otherwise have thru your AVR/Pre-Pro assuming it has HDMI connections. That is the trade-off which, in my opinion, is significant. Given this is already an excellent player, I am always skeptical of the claims made by third party companies as to potential audible improvements, especially for the extra money they are asking.
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Post by Raven on Nov 15, 2009 22:33:32 GMT -5
Few days ago I've spent some time for listening tests, I compare sound of my BDP-83 through analog and HDMI outputs. I used just regular red book CD: Madonna - Ray of light, Enya - Watermark and Mike Oldfield - Tubular Bells III.
Sound from OPPO's analog is good with wide enough soundstage, but if you compare it with AV8003 decoded through HDMI it sounds a bit dry. Sound through HDMI with AV8003 decoding was noticeably better, it has slightly more details in trebles and richer meed range, soundstage became a bit deeper, more natural I would say.
So I play music exclusively through HDMI as PCM and I have no plans to upgrade my BDP-83 ;D
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Post by MikeWI on Nov 18, 2009 10:55:42 GMT -5
does anyone know if oppo ever does holiday sales? No. Mike |
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Post by robin on Nov 18, 2009 13:55:02 GMT -5
You guys might really want to read through this thread on AVS: www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1194011I was thinking that the 83SE is want I needed, but I am starting to think it might be better to just get the 83 and put the extra money into a better separate DAC for 2 channel. The difference is $400. The estimated price on the XDC-1 is $300. It would make more sense to get both the regular 83 and XDC-1 and that would allow you to use the XDC-1 for other components as well and pocket $100. Not to mention the performance of a separate DAC is far more likely to be superior to the internals of the 83SE. |
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Post by wolfman on Nov 18, 2009 21:22:42 GMT -5
I'm using the 7.1 analogue out of my BDP-83 into a LMC-1. I'm wondering if the ES9006 (Dac for 7.1) in BDP-83se will sound better then the DAC in the UMC-1?  I all ready have a Stereo DAC. |
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Post by Trey on Nov 20, 2009 12:02:49 GMT -5
Animo, I own both the ERC-1 and the Oppo 83 but have paid little attention to this upgrade talk until now. Are you saying that the 83SE improvements in the home theater sound are only in the multi-channel analog outs? Previously I had heard comments that the sound quality of Dolby True HD and DTS MA are virtually the same between using the analog outs (which I'm using now with my older receiver) and using the HDMI out (which I'll use on the XMC-1). So now you are saying that the sound quality using the multi-channel analog outs will be superior to using the HDMI outs because of the 83SE new chip? Do I follow this correctly? The only problem I see with this is that of course one would have the 5 extra RCA cables required versus a single HDMI cable, sort of canceling the HDMI cable advantage. The sound I now hear from my Blu-Ray discs is very fine indeed. The 83SE is suppose to make an audible improvement thru the analog outs but will be sound the same as the original 83 on sound sent thru the HDMI out? I am not really interested in the two channel improvement because I prefer my two channel playback thru Dolby Pro IIx. Thanks for any clarification on this. ;D Yes, the 83SE will also improve the ANALOG multi-channel outs so SACD and DVD-A will also benefit from the analog upgrade. The ERC-1 doesn't play those files so the 83SE has the advantage IMO....at least on paper. I'm on the fence until I see reviews. Also, the XMC-1 will have the "hot-rodded" audio section. How will that play into all of this? . |
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Post by flamingeye on Nov 20, 2009 12:13:34 GMT -5
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Post by Animo on Nov 20, 2009 15:49:27 GMT -5
The reports of improved audio came from Oppo's own website. However, Chuckie take special note, they recommended that if you connect with HDMI, then they don't recommend the upgrade.
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I don't see how the upgrade could be better than that combo. 
