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Post by snurf on Nov 13, 2009 15:07:22 GMT -5
I'm trying to decide if I should go for 3 ERM-6.2 or 3 ERM-6.3 for my LCR speakers. I'm going to use an acoustically transparent screen, good subs and Emo amps. The speakers would all sit vertically behind the screen at about ear height.
I've read so many great things about the 6.2 speakers and they are less than half the price. Based on the price, the 6.3s should be much better, but I just haven't seen that additional praise for them.
Has anyone tried comparing the two sets?
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Post by ntrain42 on Nov 13, 2009 15:49:51 GMT -5
I'm trying to decide if I should go for 3 ERM-6.2 or 3 ERM-6.3 for my LCR speakers. I'm going to use an acoustically transparent screen, good subs and Emo amps. The speakers would all sit vertically behind the screen at about ear height. I've read so many great things about the 6.2 speakers and they are less than half the price. Based on the price, the 6.3s should be much better, but I just haven't seen that additional praise for them. Has anyone tried comparing the two sets? What is the room size? This should be your determining factor.
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Post by snurf on Nov 13, 2009 15:59:34 GMT -5
Room size is 11ft wide by 19.5 ft long
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Post by ntrain42 on Nov 13, 2009 16:40:41 GMT -5
Medium sized room on the smaller end of the scale. 6.2's would be the way to go. Take the money saved and dump it into better amplification. Or better yet upgrade the internal xovers with quality components, places like SkiingNinja.com specialize in this, its worthwhile money spent. As good as they sound stock, they have potential for even better sound clarity and focus due to the excellent drivers the Emotiva speakers use.
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Post by elee532 on Nov 13, 2009 22:39:11 GMT -5
I have been grappling with this same question for a room just about the same size (maybe 2' shorter). Is there really no benefit to the 6.2 over the 6.3 in a room this size?
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Nov 14, 2009 12:28:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree - this is obviously for HT and the extra 4"s are FANTASTIC for dialogue - with the positioning flexibility of the AT screen, IMO all units the same is the way to go, so if you are going for 6.3 at the centre, then all 3 as 6.3 is spot on and pan beautifully - especially when you have e.g. 3 people chatting on a bench and the sound moves from left to right to centre depending on who is talking. If you put your ear near the centre you can clearly hear the dialogue coming from the 2 x 4"s, IMO this "frees up" the other drivers for other frequencies which is great for HT dialogue. Given that both sets have 2 x 6.5" drivers, I don't think that makes the 6.3s only better for larger rooms. It's the clarity of doalogue/music vocals from the 2 x 4"s that is the key difference. There is another lounge member that also has 3 x 6.3 in a mid sized room (mine is 3.2m x 5.2m with an open area behind of 5.5m x 3m BTW) but he has his mounted to brackets/shelves as opposed to my "semi-free-standing" setup. Sorry the name escapes me! As a final note, they are really great for hard rock as the vocals do not get "swallowed" by all the other stuff going on due to them being on separate drivers (or so it appears to me listening to e.g. AC/DC, Black Sabbath). Having said all that, I have not actually heard a pair or trio of 6.2s.
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Post by strindl on Nov 14, 2009 13:27:11 GMT -5
I had a chance to compare the 6.2's and 6.3's side by side in the Emo Lounge on a two channel system at emofest. It was a USP-1 hooked to an XPA-2 with an ERC-1 as the source. I preferred the sound of the 6.2's on music in two channel.
For home theater use, and specifically for the center channel, I think the 6.3 has advantages. Both are fine sounding speakers for either use...I'd be happy with either in a dual use system.
If I was mainly interested in two channel music listening though, my choice would be the 6.2.
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Post by kt10r on Nov 14, 2009 15:00:03 GMT -5
I thought each size sounded about the same. ( even the 8.3 ) but the 6.2 sounded "bigger" than the rest. I was expecting the 6.3 to sound the best with the extra mids but to me and most standing there the 6.2's were "The king". I feel emos speakers are a little overpriced for me to buy, but if money werent an issue, after hearing them all i would definately pick the 6.2 even if the 6.3 were only 50 bux more.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Nov 14, 2009 15:29:52 GMT -5
Out of interest, where were both sets of speakers positioned at Emofest?
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Post by kt10r on Nov 14, 2009 15:52:58 GMT -5
Definately not optimally(sp). If i recall they were on stands. They were all pointed crooked, you couldnt test for imaging or stageing. Basically just hear overall tonality. Always alot of people in that room. If i remember correctly there were some pics posted of the setup.
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Post by doug917 on Nov 14, 2009 16:39:19 GMT -5
I took three 6.2's home with me from Emofest for my HT room. Shortly after, I picked up another pair for a 2-channel room. If I could afford it right now I would definitely pick up another pair while they are on sale...excellent speakers for both 2-channel and movies!
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Post by monkumonku on Nov 14, 2009 16:57:54 GMT -5
I took three 6.2's home with me from Emofest for my HT room. Shortly after, I picked up another pair for a 2-channel room. If I could afford it right now I would definitely pick up another pair while they are on sale...excellent speakers for both 2-channel and movies! So what's your (and others) two cents on this: I am currently using an XPA-3 for the fronts, the 6.2 L/R and 6.3 center. Do you think it is worth upgrading to an XPA-2 or the UPA-1's when released? I was thinking of the UPA-1's when Dann announced it but now that the XPA-2 is on sale for only $100 more than what the UPA-1's are supposed to cost, I am sorely tempted. Plus the XPA-2 only needs one plug instead of two for UPA-1 monoblocks and I am running out of outlets... so is it even worth upgrading from the XPA-3 to these other choices? Whaddaya all think?
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Post by doug917 on Nov 14, 2009 17:01:56 GMT -5
So what's your (and others) two cents on this: I am currently using an XPA-3 for the fronts, the 6.2 L/R and 6.3 center. Do you think it is worth upgrading to an XPA-2 or the UPA-1's when released? I was thinking of the UPA-1's when Dann announced it but now that the XPA-2 is on sale for only $100 more than what the UPA-1's are supposed to cost, I am sorely tempted. Plus the XPA-2 only needs one plug instead of two for UPA-1 monoblocks and I am running out of outlets... so is it even worth upgrading from the XPA-3 to these other choices? Whaddaya all think? The XPA-2 is one heck of an amp. Bottom line...it has more headroom and power than the XPA-3 due to only two channels drawing from the transformer and the increase in number and size of capacitors. I could see you going from XPA-3 to XPA-2, but am not sure it would make a lot of sense for you to go from the XPA-3 to the UPA-1's.
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Post by doug917 on Nov 14, 2009 17:09:36 GMT -5
Course, I haven't heard the UPA-1...and it wouldn't be the first time Lonnie had pulled something off that suprised me...so who knows?
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Post by strindl on Nov 15, 2009 2:07:00 GMT -5
This was the two channel room at emofest
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Post by bfisher on Nov 15, 2009 9:38:56 GMT -5
I have 3 6.3s mounted behind my AT screen and it's fantastic. I can't imagine a better setup. my room is only slightly larger (20x15). Using Emo amps, the soundstage is just perfect. Everything sounds exactly as it's supposed to.
That said - I haven't heard the 6.2s to know the difference.
(the sub is no longer in that location, but it's the only image I have that shows the 6.3s without the screen)
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Post by ntrain42 on Nov 15, 2009 11:03:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure I agree - this is obviously for HT and the extra 4"s are FANTASTIC for dialogue - with the positioning flexibility of the AT screen, IMO all units the same is the way to go, so if you are going for 6.3 at the centre, then all 3 as 6.3 is spot on and pan beautifully - especially when you have e.g. 3 people chatting on a bench and the sound moves from left to right to centre depending on who is talking. If you put your ear near the centre you can clearly hear the dialogue coming from the 2 x 4"s, IMO this "frees up" the other drivers for other frequencies which is great for HT dialogue. Given that both sets have 2 x 6.5" drivers, I don't think that makes the 6.3s only better for larger rooms. It's the clarity of doalogue/music vocals from the 2 x 4"s that is the key difference. There is another lounge member that also has 3 x 6.3 in a mid sized room (mine is 3.2m x 5.2m with an open area behind of 5.5m x 3m BTW) but he has his mounted to brackets/shelves as opposed to my "semi-free-standing" setup. Sorry the name escapes me! As a final note, they are really great for hard rock as the vocals do not get "swallowed" by all the other stuff going on due to them being on separate drivers (or so it appears to me listening to e.g. AC/DC, Black Sabbath). Having said all that, I have not actually heard a pair or trio of 6.2s. More drivers, require a more complex xover network, more drivers and their accompanying xover networks introduce potential for phase and time alignment issues, even frequency smoothness, on and off axis response through the range of the speakers themselves. More complex crossovers mean more caps,inductors and resistors are in line with the speakers which results in smeared and distorted signals getting to the drivers themselves. Thats why I myself rip out alot of the stock crossovers in speakers and replace the components with much better quality parts which help in turn to clear up the sound and tighten up tolerances which results in better definition, imaging and clarity, especially on the more inexpensive speakers. I am of the old school variety where the simpler the better when it comes to speakers. Its much easier to get a smooth frequency with proper phase,time and on/off axis response with less drivers. The 6.2's 6.5 inch drivers and tweeters match up and blend in quite well with no dips/peaks or issues with cone breakup at moderate power, and for small to mid sized rooms you can achieve optimal results with them at very high spl levels. So under this conditions I would only recommend the 6.2's. For larger rooms, more power would be needed to achieve the same spl. In this case the larger 6.3's would have an advantage in terms of total spl output since they would have to be driven harder to achieve the same results as you would get from the 6.2's in a smaller sized room. You would have an extra pair of 4" drivers in the 4" to help reduce cone breakup at high volume levels where the xover points of the tweeter(low range) and 6.5" driver(high range)would normally begin to occur. The extra internal volume of the cabinet itself would help low end extension as well, since it would be needed for a larger room as the 6.2's would not generate as much room gain and low end extension as the 6.3's naturally would due to the cabinet size. In a smaller room the 6.2's will generate about the same room gain and frequency extension with less power as the 6.3's would in the larger room with more power in short. So for the smaller room go with the simpler 2 way 6.2's, the larger room I would go with the 6.3's.
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Post by doug917 on Nov 15, 2009 11:12:38 GMT -5
I agree with this school of thought somewhat...to me a 2-way speaker + a sub = a 3-way speaker in essence. A 3-way speaker + a sub = a 4-way speaker in essence. I have always prefered a 3-way speaker as a matter of personal tastes.
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Nov 15, 2009 13:00:46 GMT -5
Hmmmm, I am not seeing ANY 6.3s in that picture from Emofest.
I see a pair of:
ERD-1s
ERM-1s
6.2s
8.3s
No 6.3s to be seen .....
So where were they at Emofest? If they were in that room, they must have been further outside the 8.3s and near the walls which might not be comparably good placement to the others.
Or are people confusing the ERD-1s with 6.3s?
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Nov 15, 2009 13:06:50 GMT -5
As a side note - I believe the crossover circuits in all the Emotica speakers are really top notch, I think this is one of the areas they boast about. I've need noticed any colouration or anything like that from the 6.3s, they are open, airy and very accurate. I also hear tell that Lonnie or Big Dan uses 3 x 6.3 for his HT - but I've no idea how big the room is. To me, they sound amazing in my relatively small room and I will be able to keep them when I move and get a much bigger room, saves another upgrade and extra shipping apart from anything else.
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