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Post by rvallejos on Dec 10, 2009 11:18:50 GMT -5
Ok so I currently am using a Pioneer Elite VSX56Txi along with a XPA5, my question is will the new UMC1 be an upgrade to my Elite or will it be more of a lateral move? Thanks
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Post by mlkmgr on Dec 10, 2009 12:37:17 GMT -5
i believe it will be a lateral move. of course you are asking on the emo board, so you will have most everyone stating you will be "blown away", "big improvement", etc when nobody has actually done any in home testing. i would hold off and wait until some in home reviews are completed. find someone who has a similar avr and ask for a comparison. until they are actually released, it is simply speculation.
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Post by Wideawake on Dec 10, 2009 13:30:32 GMT -5
Or, you can take advantage of Emotiva's no hassle return policy and determine this for yourself. If you take that route, please post your thoughts in the forum.
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 10, 2009 14:33:04 GMT -5
it would be an upgrade IMO. I had hands on experience at emofest.
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Post by jlafrenz on Dec 10, 2009 15:55:28 GMT -5
Ok so I currently am using a Pioneer Elite VSX56Txi along with a XPA5, my question is will the new UMC1 be an upgrade to my Elite or will it be more of a lateral move? Thanks Depends on what your intended use is. The UMC-1 will have a ton of features, but if you don't use them then it may be lateral. Tell us more about your setup and what you want to accomplish with it. |
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Post by mariof16 on Dec 11, 2009 9:34:02 GMT -5
I am in the same boat. I currently have a Pioneer as a Pre/Pro and want the UMC-1, but I don't know if it is really an "Upgrade". I will probably do it to gain the 3 extra HDMI inputs and the Quad Crossover, but I would like to sell my Pioneer first to absorb some of the cost. I hope someone posts a real world review before I get my payment request email.
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Post by rvallejos on Dec 11, 2009 16:09:44 GMT -5
Well I am running Klipsch RF7's in the front RS7's surround and the RC64 center and I am mainly (95%) HT and of coarse the XPA 5. I really dont need alot of the extras like ipod and stuff although it would be nice to have HDMI which I currently dont have.
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Post by roadrunner on Dec 12, 2009 21:11:06 GMT -5
I have every reason to expect that the Emotiva UMC-1 will be an upgrade to your AVRs. We have had many users of previous Emotiva pre/pros (LMC-1, MMC-1, and DMC-1) testify that moving from using their receiver as a pre/pro that it was a major step up in sound quality. Take the fact that Emotiva's older pre/pro bested the AVRs; and, combine it with the fact that Lonnie said the UMC-1 will be better than all the previous Emotiva pre/pros.
If the MMC-1 bested a Pioneer Elite receiver and the UMC-1 beats the MMC-1, it stands to reason that upgrading your receiver to an UMC-1 would be a wise decision. With all of the improvements that have been made to the UMC-1 over the previous generation of processors, it will offer superior audio and video performance. ;D ;D ;D
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Post by checkereddemon on Dec 13, 2009 12:26:18 GMT -5
From what I'm reading about the Pioneer, it is most likely a lateral move. The Pioneer Elite Series are very good units and I doubt that you'd hear much of a difference between that and the UMC-1, especially since you are not using the amps the Pioneer provides.
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 13, 2009 15:18:57 GMT -5
From what I'm reading about the Pioneer, it is most likely a lateral move. The Pioneer Elite Series are very good units and I doubt that you'd hear much of a difference between that and the UMC-1, especially since you are not using the amps the Pioneer provides. no hdmi, no GUI, no advanced auto-room EQ... how is it a lateral move going to the UMC-1? even if they sound the same, that doesnt mean there isn't other advantages to enjoy with getting the UMC-1 |
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Post by checkereddemon on Dec 13, 2009 21:53:44 GMT -5
The Pioneer does have a GUI, it does have advanced room-EQ, but it does not have HDMI inputs and outputs - nowadays that's a true bummer. It does have THX certification (no biggie to me, frankly). Additionally, the Pioneer has a headphone amp as well as a better remote than the Emo.
If you can connect your Video sources exclusively thru the Compnenet inputs, you're good to go. Component looks just as god as HDMI, it just doesn't support an audio signal (no sound). Most of the better Digital sources (e.g., Cable/FiOS box, Shiny Disc player, Music Server) will have analog (Component) outputs.
Having said all that, I would never buy a digital source that didn't have HDMI - I do so love piping everything I care to listen to or watch over a single cable. Too bad they screwed up the connector, dingbats...
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 13, 2009 22:12:50 GMT -5
The Pioneer does have a GUI, it does have advanced room-EQ, but it does not have HDMI inputs and outputs - nowadays that's a true bummer. It does have THX certification (no biggie to me, frankly). Additionally, the Pioneer has a headphone amp as well as a better remote than the Emo. If you can connect your Video sources exclusively thru the Compnenet inputs, you're good to go. Component looks just as god as HDMI, it just doesn't support an audio signal (no sound). Most of the better Digital sources (e.g., Cable/FiOS box, Shiny Disc player, Music Server) will have analog (Component) outputs. Having said all that, I would never buy a digital source that didn't have HDMI - I do so love piping everything I care to listen to or watch over a single cable. Too bad they screwed up the connector, dingbats... No it has a user interface, ya know black and white atari style lettering. A GUI is color and overlayed via HDMI. And no I would not call the MCACC from this model advanced. Perhaps back in '05 it was, but by todays standards it is not exactly anything great. |
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Post by bootman on Dec 13, 2009 22:56:19 GMT -5
If you can connect your Video sources exclusively thru the Compnenet inputs, you're good to go. Component looks just as god as HDMI, it just doesn't support an audio signal (no sound). Most of the better Digital sources (e.g., Cable/FiOS box, Shiny Disc player, Music Server) will have analog (Component) outputs. Digital to analog and back to digital (assuming a digital display) is never better than just going all digital when it comes to digital video. Of course there are those that also screw up the all digital path but that's for another thread. (the true 1080p panels have helped in this regard) |
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Post by budgetaudiophile on Dec 31, 2009 14:48:05 GMT -5
I had a Pioneer Elite Receiver, previously. I used the pre-amp outs for L/R/C channels, using the internal amps for the surrounds. While I can't speak for something that isn't released yet, I can speak for my experience in moving from a receiver to a dedicated pre-pro. The Outlaw 990 reduced the noise floor in my setup. I also felt that it was cleaner overall, and the surround sound was marginally better. The Outlaw was easier to use, as well (IMO).
It you're expecting a world-shaking difference when using the pre-amp outs, you're probably not going to get it, unless there are features built into the UMC-1 that are lacking in the reciever (for example, lossless audio decoding through HDMI... that's a biggie, and reason enough for me to toss the Outlaw for the XMC-1 when it comes out, as the 7.1 analog inputs give me no way to adjust crossover points on my speakers). And there there's room correction circuitry, which may have a positive impact in your environment (assuming reciever doesn't have this).
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Post by fenominal on Feb 14, 2010 17:38:21 GMT -5
Well, I'm getting one because, for once, I had money to blow and my elite doesn't have HDMI. And because I wouldn't mind having the older elite for 2-ch in the bedroom. So, with that said, there better be a double-dose of pimping in this UPGRAYEDD. If my name is ever called that is...
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Post by NorthStar on Feb 15, 2010 0:11:10 GMT -5
You'll be blown away!  |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Feb 20, 2010 17:18:18 GMT -5
One other thing to consider - you will not use the amps in the receiver so save some money on electricity.
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Post by House on Mar 2, 2010 11:44:17 GMT -5
FYI: the new Pioneer Elites allow you to fully bypass the internal Amps....this is what I do in my bedroom theater....teh pioneer basically puts out no heat this way and makes a great pre-pro to my 1095 amp.
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Post by slbenz on Mar 2, 2010 15:56:12 GMT -5
FYI: the new Pioneer Elites allow you to fully bypass the internal Amps....this is what I do in my bedroom theater....teh pioneer basically puts out no heat this way and makes a great pre-pro to my 1095 amp. Definitely agree. Have a Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi and I can shut off the internal amps with one button. Also, I like the Pioneer better than when I had an Outlaw Audio Model 990 and a Parasound AVC-1800 HT pre/pro. Neither one sounds as good to me as my Pioneer Elite. The MCACC system is far superior than the pink noise level control of the Outlaw and Parasound. Currently am using an XPA-5 as my power amp. |
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Post by Nemesis.ie on Mar 3, 2010 6:22:46 GMT -5
That's a really nice feature. Can you do it on a per channel basis?
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