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Post by Caemofan on Dec 23, 2009 20:56:28 GMT -5
A friend of mine recommended me this Aperion Audio speakers but I have never heard the name. Does anyone has any experience with their speakers? How are they compare to Emotiva? Price wise, Emotiva seems to be cheaper...but quality wise, anyone please chime in your comments...
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Post by cawgijoe on Dec 23, 2009 23:47:13 GMT -5
I heard and saw Aperion Audio speakers at the Stereophile show in NYC a couple of years ago. Very nice speakers for the money. I don't know how they compare to Emotiva since I've never heard the Emotiva speakers. Sorry....not much help there......try to do a search for reviews.
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Post by bootman on Dec 24, 2009 0:08:52 GMT -5
They along with Emo offer a 30 day trial.
Every room is different so every speaker will sound different. The best way to determine what works best for your situation is to try them in your room.
Then you can determine what sounds best. ;D
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Post by 0pter0n on Dec 25, 2009 13:22:20 GMT -5
About 3 weeks ago, I auditioned the Intimus 5T's.
The folks at Aperion are a pleasure to do business with and with shipping paid both ways, I had nothing to lose - except my back as I was switching speakers in and out over 3 days.
Basically, at around $1000, they are in a class with the Totem Arro and Monitor Audio RX6 and RS6. I found that for what I listen to - classical, show music, small combo jazz and the like - accurate reproduction of cellos, string basses (especially plucked) and percussion in the low register, is simply insufficient, despite wonderful sound-stage presentation.
Certainly, your experience may be different, but my Dali sub could not be manipulated into making up for what these lack.
For example, in the first 8 minutes of "Duplicity", the film moves from a poolside party to city streets. As the scenes in the city progress, there is a running bass line. The Aperions presented this as an electric bass. With the speakers I am looking to replace - Klipsch KG-4's - I could hear that the line is actually bowed string basses, which really adds to the tension.
Similarly, in the first 3 minutes of the 3rd movement of Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony, the clarinet melody has a chorus of cellos and a descending line of plucked string basses. The Aperions made the notes more into "thuds", rather than discernible tones.
I would unhesitatingly do business with Aperion and, at some point, I may try the 6T, which, although more money, uses larger woofers and may be a better match for my tastes.
In fact, I was encouraged to do so by the Aperion staff, who did everything they could to make sure that my experience was a positive one.
It wasn't all for naught - for $29.00 I got an excellent SPL meter which has helped me try to keep things in balance!
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Post by iceman66 on Dec 25, 2009 17:15:37 GMT -5
About 3 weeks ago, I auditioned the Intimus 5T's. The folks at Aperion are a pleasure to do business with and with shipping paid both ways, I had nothing to lose - except my back as I was switching speakers in and out over 3 days. Basically, at around $1000, they are in a class with the Totem Arro and Monitor Audio RX6 and RS6. I found that for what I listen to - classical, show music, small combo jazz and the like - accurate reproduction of cellos, string basses (especially plucked) and percussion in the low register, is simply insufficient, despite wonderful sound-stage presentation. Certainly, your experience may be different, but my Dali sub could not be manipulated into making up for what these lack. For example, in the first 8 minutes of "Duplicity", the film moves from a poolside party to city streets. As the scenes in the city progress, there is a running bass line. The Aperions presented this as an electric bass. With the speakers I am looking to replace - Klipsch KG-4's - I could hear that the line is actually bowed string basses, which really adds to the tension. Similarly, in the first 3 minutes of the 3rd movement of Rachmaninoff's 2nd Symphony, the clarinet melody has a chorus of cellos and a descending line of plucked string basses. The Aperions made the notes more into "thuds", rather than discernible tones. I would unhesitatingly do business with Aperion and, at some point, I may try the 6T, which, although more money, uses larger woofers and may be a better match for my tastes. In fact, I was encouraged to do so by the Aperion staff, who did everything they could to make sure that my experience was a positive one. It wasn't all for naught - for $29.00 I got an excellent SPL meter which has helped me try to keep things in balance! +1 Great mini review!
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Post by mrcoop on Dec 28, 2009 14:27:41 GMT -5
my experience and opinion is very similar to opteron. I have 5 series (5t in the front, 5db for the sides, 4b's for the rear). Currently unloading the 5db that will be replaced by the erd's.
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Post by 0pter0n on Dec 29, 2009 17:05:15 GMT -5
I wanted to mention that the speakers that I mentioned - Totem, Aperion and Monitor Audio - all were designed to be used no more than about 30" from the back wall.
In fact, when I mentioned the dimensions of my room (9 x 18), the dealer staff cautioned me against exceeding the 30" factor since bass response would suffer. (As it turned out, of course, I found the bass lacking even in what I have to assume was an idealized setup at their showroom.)
I mention this because in my room, as, I suspect would be the case in others, this eliminates the option of "Near Field" listening -which simply means that the speakers can end up being placed in the middle of the room. In my case, they are just under 8 feet from my seat, which means that they are 10 feet out from the back wall. Doing this has improved the sound staging dramatically and moving the speakers within 10" of the sidewalls (a theoretical disaster) has also helped a lot to improve my listening experience.
As you consider which speakers to try out, it would probably be a good idea to mention the room dimensions and prospective speaker location to the folks at the manufacturer site (or dealer) to be sure that you won;t be inadvertently be putting the speakers at a disadvantage.
Do keep us posted on what you find.
Jon
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Post by virtualpj on Dec 29, 2009 19:57:04 GMT -5
Another Aperion fan here. I don't have the same comparisons to offer as others, but I was sold within the first 30 minutes of my 30 day trial. Just picked up 3 new speakers from them that are awaiting my move to get set up. They're a joy to deal with, and are great for the money, as echoed in previous posts.
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Post by alabamaboy on Dec 29, 2009 20:08:38 GMT -5
Yet another Aperion fan!! I have the 6Ts along with two of their subs (Bravus 10Ds). They are an absolute wonderful company to deal with. I'm sure you are aware that you have 30 days to give them a go. They pay for shipping both ways, nothing to worry about. I sampled several of their speakers before settling on the 6Ts.
As with Emotiva, very friendly, responsive internet company. The quality of their speakers is amazing. I have all speakers in piano black gloss, a pleasure to view. I compared the speakers to some borrowed Axioms, and I was hooked.
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Post by ntrain42 on Dec 29, 2009 21:24:02 GMT -5
Aperion is another typical simple no frills box speaker like the Emotiva line. Sound is just fine for HT........
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Post by uhcoogsfan on Dec 30, 2009 0:07:22 GMT -5
Aperion is another typical simple no frills box speaker like the Emotiva line. Sound is just fine for HT........ Are you saying they don't sound good with music? If so I would have to disagree. I have the 6T's and they are excellant sounding when listening to music playback. When I bought these I listened to Paradigm Studio 60's and Emotiva's 8.3's. While I found all to be excellent speakers I chose the Aperions because to me they were more detailed and cleaner sounding in music playback and that was important to me. The Studio 60's biggest drawback was that they were quite a bit more in price than Emo and Aperion and I didn't hear any significant difference to justify spending the extra dough. In the end all three are excellent speakers and you can not go wrong with any of them.
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Post by RayoVac on Dec 30, 2009 2:20:17 GMT -5
Aperion is another typical simple no frills box speaker like the Emotiva line. Sound is just fine for HT........ Are you saying they don't sound good with music? If so I would have to disagree. I have the 6T's and they are excellant sounding when listening to music playback. When I bought these I listened to Paradigm Studio 60's and Emotiva's 8.3's. While I found all to be excellent speakers I chose the Aperions because to me they were more detailed and cleaner sounding in music playback and that was important to me. The Studio 60's biggest drawback was that they were quite a bit more in price than Emo and Aperion and I didn't hear any significant difference to justify spending the extra dough. In the end all three are excellent speakers and you can not go wrong with any of them. Sometimes folks just can't provide positive responses... kind of like whatever we decide or think, will never be good enough. Anyway... uhcoogsfan, how do you like the 6Ts and the more importantly the 6C for your HT viewing. They are pretty nice looking speakers... ya know for "typical simple no frills box speaker". Ps. What the heck kind of frills do I want in a speaker? Sound is by far the most important thing.
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Post by alabamaboy on Dec 30, 2009 8:33:23 GMT -5
Aperion is another typical simple no frills box speaker like the Emotiva line. Sound is just fine for HT........ Wow, where did that come from? This forum is slowly turning to the dark side Hmmm... The Bravus 10D sub comes with dual 10” drivers, 300 watt BASH amplifier, parametric EQ, digital display with remote, piano high gloss finish all for $799, what "frills" do you want? Have you auditioned Aperions and were dissatisfied for some reason?
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Post by uhcoogsfan on Dec 30, 2009 10:21:31 GMT -5
Are you saying they don't sound good with music? If so I would have to disagree. I have the 6T's and they are excellent sounding when listening to music playback. When I bought these I listened to Paradigm Studio 60's and Emotiva's 8.3's. While I found all to be excellent speakers I chose the Aperions because to me they were more detailed and cleaner sounding in music playback and that was important to me. The Studio 60's biggest drawback was that they were quite a bit more in price than Emo and Aperion and I didn't hear any significant difference to justify spending the extra dough. In the end all three are excellent speakers and you can not go wrong with any of them. Sometimes folks just can't provide positive responses... kind of like whatever we decide or think, will never be good enough. Anyway... uhcoogsfan, how do you like the 6Ts and the more importantly the 6C for your HT viewing. They are pretty nice looking speakers... ya know for "typical simple no frills box speaker". Ps. What the heck kind of frills do I want in a speaker? Sound is by far the most important thing. I love the 6T's & the 6C. And my experience is that they shine with music as they bring out the details with great clarity. The bass I feel is very good with these. They provide strong bass without getting boomy. The same holds true for HT listening. I really feel I got my moneys worth. And as with Emotiva I got great customer service from Aperion. Customer service was a deciding factor in my purchase because with either Aperion or Emotiva I had direct contact with the maker. But what pushed me to buy Aperions was the finish, I didn't want black, the price about $300 cheaper when I bought and most importantly I liked their sound a bit better. In the end I think all of this comes down to personal taste and with any of the three I looked at I feel you can do no wrong. I would also like to thank the people at both Emotiva & Aperion for allowing us to have great sound on a tight budget.
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Post by bigred7078 on Dec 30, 2009 11:43:50 GMT -5
Aperion is another typical simple no frills box speaker like the Emotiva line. Sound is just fine for HT........ Wow, where did that come from? This forum is slowly turning to the dark side Hmmm... The Bravus 10D sub comes with dual 10” drivers, 300 watt BASH amplifier, parametric EQ, digital display with remote, piano high gloss finish all for $799, what "frills" do you want? Have you auditioned Aperions and were dissatisfied for some reason? he does that sometimes...
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 1, 2010 13:43:20 GMT -5
Aperion is another typical simple no frills box speaker like the Emotiva line. Sound is just fine for HT........ Are you saying they don't sound good with music? If so I would have to disagree. I have the 6T's and they are excellant sounding when listening to music playback. When I bought these I listened to Paradigm Studio 60's and Emotiva's 8.3's. While I found all to be excellent speakers I chose the Aperions because to me they were more detailed and cleaner sounding in music playback and that was important to me. The Studio 60's biggest drawback was that they were quite a bit more in price than Emo and Aperion and I didn't hear any significant difference to justify spending the extra dough. In the end all three are excellent speakers and you can not go wrong with any of them. Not saying anything against them in particular. But they are what they are. A typical box speaker using a basic square enclosure, decent/good drivers(at the price point) using cheap internal xover parts. You get what you pay for. In this day in age, its really hard to make a bad sounding box speaker in all honesty. Just got to find the one whose frequency response best suits your taste and works best with your room if you dont have a good active eq for your system.
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 1, 2010 13:45:13 GMT -5
Are you saying they don't sound good with music? If so I would have to disagree. I have the 6T's and they are excellant sounding when listening to music playback. When I bought these I listened to Paradigm Studio 60's and Emotiva's 8.3's. While I found all to be excellent speakers I chose the Aperions because to me they were more detailed and cleaner sounding in music playback and that was important to me. The Studio 60's biggest drawback was that they were quite a bit more in price than Emo and Aperion and I didn't hear any significant difference to justify spending the extra dough. In the end all three are excellent speakers and you can not go wrong with any of them. Sometimes folks just can't provide positive responses... kind of like whatever we decide or think, will never be good enough. Anyway... uhcoogsfan, how do you like the 6Ts and the more importantly the 6C for your HT viewing. They are pretty nice looking speakers... ya know for "typical simple no frills box speaker". Ps. What the heck kind of frills do I want in a speaker? Sound is by far the most important thing. Simple no frills, means squared off mdf/hdf etc laminated box with off the shelf drivers plugged in. Thats typically all your going to find under $500-1000 for a decent sounding speaker.
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 1, 2010 13:51:35 GMT -5
Aperion is another typical simple no frills box speaker like the Emotiva line. Sound is just fine for HT........ Wow, where did that come from? This forum is slowly turning to the dark side Hmmm... The Bravus 10D sub comes with dual 10” drivers, 300 watt BASH amplifier, parametric EQ, digital display with remote, piano high gloss finish all for $799, what "frills" do you want? Have you auditioned Aperions and were dissatisfied for some reason? Some people like things in their speakers like "real wood" or real wood veneers, some real world engineering into the enclosure(other than basic volume)design and aethetics, good custom designed drivers for said enclosure, internal xover parts of high quality etc.........lot of little things your not going to get from companies like Aperion,DT,Bose etc etc etc..........the little things are what gives you that extra 5% performance that some people want. Speakers are nothing but "jewelry markup". Even cheap speakers selling for well under $500 a pair cost less than $25-50 to produce tops. Few pennies in xover parts and wiring, buck or 2 for binding posts, $5-$25 bucks(or less even) wholesale cost for drivers, couple bucks for mdf enclosure and laminate/finish and bam you got yourself a speaker selling for around $500 a pair.
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Post by uhcoogsfan on Jan 1, 2010 18:44:35 GMT -5
I don't understand, because under your definition this would apply to all speakers in this range including your KEF's. I do understand what you are saying about markup. What is a non typical speaker?
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Post by strindl on Jan 1, 2010 19:23:33 GMT -5
I don't understand, because under your definition this would apply to all speakers in this range including your KEF's. I do understand what you are saying about markup. What is a non typical speaker? ahh..but you didn't see..all of his KEF's say "modified" next to them. Translation..he sprinkled magic fairy dust on them all and now they sound 1,000 % better.
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