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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2010 19:39:00 GMT -5
I sprinkle that on my popcorn . . tastes great! ;D
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 1, 2010 20:34:48 GMT -5
I don't understand, because under your definition this would apply to all speakers in this range including your KEF's. I do understand what you are saying about markup. What is a non typical speaker? Of course it includes the cheap Kef's I use as well. Non typical speaker? Normally a reference type product(ie: flagship speaker for X speaker company). Unfortunately, a "reference" speaker includes silly markup where a typical speaker pair can cost as much or more than a new car, or a house even. And its absurd to utterly rediculous.
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 1, 2010 20:52:03 GMT -5
I don't understand, because under your definition this would apply to all speakers in this range including your KEF's. I do understand what you are saying about markup. What is a non typical speaker? ahh..but you didn't see..all of his KEF's say "modified" next to them. Translation..he sprinkled magic fairy dust on them all and now they sound 1,000 % better. Actually the "fairy dust" I used on my Kef's were sound(no pun intended) improvements. I like the Kef "box" speaker due to the UniQ driver they use and the curvilinear "box" design. I was able to pick up 3 pairs of iQ10's for $500 shipped. A. Reinforce, deaden, and diffuse backwaves and vibrations. Real easy with the iQ series. Uses a curved angled cabinet that naturally reduces backwaves of the drivers. The problem with the cabinet is it tends to resonate due to the thin mdf sheeting used. To reduce harmonic vibration the inside has bracing added and a layer of fiberglass resin added in with spray-on deflex mixed with carbon pellets applied to the inside. Makes the cabinet near 100% inert from the drivers and sound waves reducing coloration of the sound. The cabinet is then restuffed with polyfill. B. The xovers: Gone are the 30 cent sandblock resistors, cheap cap and inductors, in are Erse and Mills components, FoilQ inductors, PulseX caps, Mills resistors. The end result is a small pointsource bookshelf speaker that I can get to within +/- 2db REAL WORLD in room response from about 70-80hz up to 20khz with very minimal EQing necessary. All this from a small 5.25" UniQ driver array. And I spent less in total(original purchase plus mod parts) for all 3 pairs(I have one single spare speaker as I use one as a center channel) than most people will spend on a single pair of average to good quality bookshelf speakers.
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Post by moodyman on Jan 1, 2010 21:38:06 GMT -5
I had the pleasure of auditioning the Aperion 6T's over the summer. At one point I had in my posession BOTH the 6T's and the Emotiva 8.3's. I ultimately chose the 8.3's. I'll echo what others have said...Aperion is a great company to deal with and the 6T's are a gorgeous speaker and top notch build quality...they do look better than the 8.3's. I did ultimately keep the 8.3's and sent the 6T's back. I found them slightly bright in my room and felt the 8.3's had more punch in the bass department. The 6T's were slightly more detailed in the mids and they may be preferred by people who strictly listen to music..jazz types maybe...Both speakers had the wow factor...the 8.3's slightly more so IMO...
I posted a mini-review on the AVS forum..I'll see if I can dig it up...
YMMV
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Post by jason34cincy on Jan 1, 2010 21:40:53 GMT -5
Owner of Aperions, 6T, 6C, and 6B.
Very impressed with the quality of sound and build. I've owned many speakers and auditioned many more. I use them for HT and music and can say I am very impressed. They are also a wonderful company to deal with, friendly, and offer great customer service.
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Post by uhcoogsfan on Jan 1, 2010 22:07:37 GMT -5
I had the pleasure of auditioning the Aperion 6T's over the summer. At one point I had in my posession BOTH the 6T's and the Emotiva 8.3's. I ultimately chose the 8.3's. I'll echo what others have said...Aperion is a great company to deal with and the 6T's are a gorgeous speaker and top notch build quality...they do look better than the 8.3's. I did ultimately keep the 8.3's and sent the 6T's back. I found them slightly bright in my room and felt the 8.3's had more punch in the bass department. The 6T's were slightly more detailed in the mids and they may be preferred by people who strictly listen to music..jazz types maybe...Both speakers had the wow factor...the 8.3's slightly more so IMO... I posted a mini-review on the AVS forum..I'll see if I can dig it up... YMMV I agree with this statement. I found the 6T's to be more detailed and the 8.3's a little more punch. For me I liked the detail from the Aperions. It all comes down to what the individual likes. Either way I don't feel you can go wrong.
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Post by uhcoogsfan on Jan 1, 2010 22:09:54 GMT -5
ahh..but you didn't see..all of his KEF's say "modified" next to them. Translation..he sprinkled magic fairy dust on them all and now they sound 1,000 % better. Actually the "fairy dust" I used on my Kef's were sound(no pun intended) improvements. I like the Kef "box" speaker due to the UniQ driver they use and the curvilinear "box" design. I was able to pick up 3 pairs of iQ10's for $500 shipped. A. Reinforce, deaden, and diffuse backwaves and vibrations. Real easy with the iQ series. Uses a curved angled cabinet that naturally reduces backwaves of the drivers. The problem with the cabinet is it tends to resonate due to the thin mdf sheeting used. To reduce harmonic vibration the inside has bracing added and a layer of fiberglass resin added in with spray-on deflex mixed with carbon pellets applied to the inside. Makes the cabinet near 100% inert from the drivers and sound waves reducing coloration of the sound. The cabinet is then restuffed with polyfill. B. The xovers: Gone are the 30 cent sandblock resistors, cheap cap and inductors, in are Erse and Mills components, FoilQ inductors, PulseX caps, Mills resistors. The end result is a small pointsource bookshelf speaker that I can get to within +/- 2db REAL WORLD in room response from about 70-80hz up to 20khz with very minimal EQing necessary. All this from a small 5.25" UniQ driver array. And I spent less in total(original purchase plus mod parts) for all 3 pairs(I have one single spare speaker as I use one as a center channel) than most people will spend on a single pair of average to good quality bookshelf speakers. How difficult is it to do something like what you did?
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Post by alabamaboy on Jan 2, 2010 0:18:13 GMT -5
deluxman, one knock on the Aperions, none of their speakers can be biamped. I'm certainly no expert in this area, but it seems to be all the rage
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 2, 2010 14:44:30 GMT -5
Actually the "fairy dust" I used on my Kef's were sound(no pun intended) improvements. I like the Kef "box" speaker due to the UniQ driver they use and the curvilinear "box" design. I was able to pick up 3 pairs of iQ10's for $500 shipped. A. Reinforce, deaden, and diffuse backwaves and vibrations. Real easy with the iQ series. Uses a curved angled cabinet that naturally reduces backwaves of the drivers. The problem with the cabinet is it tends to resonate due to the thin mdf sheeting used. To reduce harmonic vibration the inside has bracing added and a layer of fiberglass resin added in with spray-on deflex mixed with carbon pellets applied to the inside. Makes the cabinet near 100% inert from the drivers and sound waves reducing coloration of the sound. The cabinet is then restuffed with polyfill. B. The xovers: Gone are the 30 cent sandblock resistors, cheap cap and inductors, in are Erse and Mills components, FoilQ inductors, PulseX caps, Mills resistors. The end result is a small pointsource bookshelf speaker that I can get to within +/- 2db REAL WORLD in room response from about 70-80hz up to 20khz with very minimal EQing necessary. All this from a small 5.25" UniQ driver array. And I spent less in total(original purchase plus mod parts) for all 3 pairs(I have one single spare speaker as I use one as a center channel) than most people will spend on a single pair of average to good quality bookshelf speakers. How difficult is it to do something like what you did? Modding and reinforcing the enclosure takes no real skill. Just pull out the driver and xover with a screwdriver with proper bit. Go pick up a fiberglass bondo kit, small chunk of MDF, or birch(for the bracing if your adding to it), a small box of generic activated carbon you would find in the fish section of Walmart, and some SPray on deflex or srpay on Dyna-mat(All this can be picked up at walmart for about $25-30 total). The xover mod only requires basic soldering skills. Erse and Mills components can be found at a number of places online. Just get the values off your old xover parts and order the correct calue and number of components necessary and swap out the parts. I did 3 pairs in an afternoon. Spent about $150 total for the bondo,carbon,spray on deadener and reference grade oxover parts. Total $650 for 3 sets of iQ10's. I've had a chance to AB my modded iQ10's to a pair of Kef Reference 201/2's and they were right there. Extremely hard to tell them apart. The 201/2's went just a bit deeper in the bass extension, but other than that they sounded literally identical. My modded Kef XQ's which are my current 2 channel speakers sound a step better than the 201/2's. Just got to find a good solid fundamental speaker with lots of upside for minimal money and go from there. Some of the low buck speakers out there can easily have "reference" quality sound without a doubt.
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 2, 2010 14:45:44 GMT -5
deluxman, one knock on the Aperions, none of their speakers can be biamped. I'm certainly no expert in this area, but it seems to be all the rage Sure you can, pull the plate and rewire it add on dual terminals........
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Post by alabamaboy on Jan 2, 2010 15:50:19 GMT -5
Let me restate:
"one knock on the Aperions, none of their speakers can be biamped (without modification)" ;D
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Post by ntrain42 on Jan 2, 2010 16:59:42 GMT -5
Let me restate: "one knock on the Aperions, none of their speakers can be biamped (without modification)" ;D Yeah, but they use a common sized off the shelf terminal plate that can be swapped out very easily for a twin plate of the same size. Not a hard mod at all, 5-10 minutes worth of working including splitting/reconfiguring of the hi/lo pass xover wires.
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