Upgrade Certificate with UMC-1?

[cdpsrjc]

I remember reading some time ago that every UMC-1 would come with a certificate entitling the bearer to a 40% discount on next generation media controller hardware.

My UMC-1 came with an Advance Copy of the user manual, and a packing slip. I received my invoice via email attachment. No certificate arrived with my unit.

Did anyone receive a upgrade certificate with their UMC-1?

[bigred7078]

i did not with mine, but no worries since they will have you in their system now as purchasing the UMC-1. Keep your invoice just in case

[cdpsrjc]

I'm not really concerned about it, but if a person decided to sell his UMC-1 when the XMC-1 came out, that bearer certificate would increase the value on his UMC-1.

I didn't make this up, Emotiva proposed this certificate as a way to simplify their 40% discount program. Maybe when things slow down a bit, we will get a clarification. No worries, I know it will all work out for the good.

[jlafrenz]

You can't use the discount for the same generation processor. You would have to use it on the next series UMC or XMC that came out. Or if your talking about selling the unit, the buyer does not get to use the discount. The original purchaser of the unit retains the discount.

[ratmice]

Jan 16, 2010 19:05:14 GMT -5 jlafrenz said:

You can't use the discount for the same generation processor. You would have to use it on the next series UMC or XMC that came out. Or if your talking about selling the unit, the buyer does not get to use the discount. The original purchaser of the unit retains the discount.

Or not. It's a certificate, a bearer bond if you will, that is good for whoever holds it. You could potentially sell it with the UMC-1 if you want to. As long as it only gets used once.

[Nemesis.ie]

Exactly and if someone buys an XMC-1 at full price after selling the UMC-1 (with or without the certificate) they will get another certificate with the XMC-1.

That's two certificates from 2 machines both of which can only be used on a "next gen" unit that comes out later.

[topcat]

Jan 16, 2010 18:33:03 GMT -5 cdpsrjc said:

I remember reading some time ago that every UMC-1 would come with a certificate entitling the bearer to a 40% discount on next generation media controller hardware.

My UMC-1 came with an Advance Copy of the user manual, and a packing slip. I received my invoice via email attachment. No certificate arrived with my unit.

Did anyone receive a upgrade certificate with their UMC-1?

I hate to bring up this issue again but I have yet heard anything from the Emotiva side on this question. I have no fears that we will be taken care of but I still wonder when and where these "certificates" will appear. Thanks Emotiva for the wonderful gear.

[rooster]

I can foresee a market developing for these discount certificates - I'll call em "Emotibucks". Wonder if they'll receive investment grade ratings.

[Deleted]

Jan 16, 2010 23:50:35 GMT -5 ratmice said:

Jan 16, 2010 19:05:14 GMT -5 jlafrenz said:

You can't use the discount for the same generation processor. You would have to use it on the next series UMC or XMC that came out. Or if your talking about selling the unit, the buyer does not get to use the discount. The original purchaser of the unit retains the discount.

Or not. It's a certificate, a bearer bond if you will, that is good for whoever holds it. You could potentially sell it with the UMC-1 if you want to. As long as it only gets used once.

I believe this is correct.

[skriefal]

I believe they'd stated that the 40% certificates would be mailed out 30-40 days after the purchase has been completed.

[BillBauman]

It makes sense to me that the certificates wouldn't be sent with the unit, as you could return it within 30 days and "accidentally" not return the certificate. I imagine once Emotiva has declared the 30-day and extended trial periods are over, that certificates will arrive shortly thereafter.

[topcat]

^^^

I guess that all makes sense. Thanks.

[RayoVac]

I know my opinion will be VERY unpopular on this matter, but I don't get the Certificates. You should not get the 40% on the next Gen Proc unless you were the ORIGINAL owner. If they allow that... I guy could sell his UMC-1, then sell the Certificate to someone else as a value item.

It just seems like it would become a big mess really quick. Emo knows who the original owners of what products are. Why put those 40% Certificates on the "market"? For those that would purchase a processor at full price, it kind of sucks to know that geesh maybe someone else found a 40% certificate on Audiogon or eBay and ended up getting the same thing for less.

To me just like in many other areas of consumer life "Ownership has its privileges" or SHOULD! The 40% certificates if allowed to be traded like bonds... will sure make sale of used Emotiva products and certificates "interesting" to say the least. I would hope the paper certificate is issued ONLY to the original owner, NOT transferrable. I want Emo to make money and stay in business, fair business. Dan has clearly stated the 40% is at cost or a loss for them when they sell a processor with that discount.

I love the 40% discount, it was a big draw for me when I bought my DMC-1. I just feel there should be more exclusivity to the 40% discount then some certificate that can be easily sold or traded.

[bootman]

Feb 7, 2010 0:43:46 GMT -5 RayoVac said:

Dan has clearly stated the 40% is at cost or a loss for them when they sell a processor with that discount.

It's at a loss.
I agree 100% that it should be for original owners only.
No certificate needed.

[jmilton]

Feb 7, 2010 0:43:46 GMT -5 RayoVac said:

I know my opinion will be VERY unpopular on this matter, but I don't get the Certificates. You should not get the 40% on the next Gen Proc unless you were the ORIGINAL owner. If they allow that... I guy could sell his UMC-1, then sell the Certificate to someone else as a value item.

It just seems like it would become a big mess really quick. Emo knows who the original owners of what products are. Why put those 40% Certificates on the "market"? For those that would purchase a processor at full price, it kind of sucks to know that geesh maybe someone else found a 40% certificate on Audiogon or eBay and ended up getting the same thing for less.

To me just like in many other areas of consumer life "Ownership has its privileges" or SHOULD! The 40% certificates if allowed to be traded like bonds... will sure make sale of used Emotiva products and certificates "interesting" to say the least. I would hope the paper certificate is issued ONLY to the original owner, NOT transferrable. I want Emo to make money and stay in business, fair business. Dan has clearly stated the 40% is at cost or a loss for them when they sell a processor with that discount.

I love the 40% discount, it was a big draw for me when I bought my DMC-1. I just feel there should be more exclusivity to the 40% discount then some certificate that can be easily sold or traded.

I'm printing certificates...$25/ea. Write me.

[flamingeye]

I do remember Dann G. Stating that you could give your certificate away as a gift or sell it ,why would it matter to Emo if it was the original owner or not it`s still just one 40% discount from someone that bought a pre/pro at full price it doesn`t cost them more or less if it`s from the owner or his friend if they give out 100 certificates they will get back 100 certificates the cost is the same no matter who claims them and it may even benefit Emo if someone gives it away because now someone else is exposed/buying Emotiva gear and may buy more from them if there impressed with the pre/pro they just got at a discount , sorry if this is unclear the barometer is dropping here and I had to up my meds to compensate

[Nemesis.ie]

It makes sense to me!

[flamingeye]

Good , with my spelling, grammar problems never seaming to improve with time and now my glasses are brock so I`m using reading glasses which do not quite work -every thing looks a blur + now upping my meds it`s quite a challenge , it does seam that things do come in threes though

[LCSeminole]

Feb 7, 2010 0:43:46 GMT -5 RayoVac said:

I know my opinion will be VERY unpopular on this matter, but I don't get the Certificates. You should not get the 40% on the next Gen Proc unless you were the ORIGINAL owner. If they allow that... I guy could sell his UMC-1, then sell the Certificate to someone else as a value item.

It just seems like it would become a big mess really quick. Emo knows who the original owners of what products are. Why put those 40% Certificates on the "market"? For those that would purchase a processor at full price, it kind of sucks to know that geesh maybe someone else found a 40% certificate on Audiogon or eBay and ended up getting the same thing for less.

To me just like in many other areas of consumer life "Ownership has its privileges" or SHOULD! The 40% certificates if allowed to be traded like bonds... will sure make sale of used Emotiva products and certificates "interesting" to say the least. I would hope the paper certificate is issued ONLY to the original owner, NOT transferrable. I want Emo to make money and stay in business, fair business. Dan has clearly stated the 40% is at cost or a loss for them when they sell a processor with that discount.

I love the 40% discount, it was a big draw for me when I bought my DMC-1. I just feel there should be more exclusivity to the 40% discount then some certificate that can be easily sold or traded.

I fully agree. To me its no different than a particular person that I've seen on other home theater sites buying up Emotiva gear and making money on it, while still holding Emotiva accountable for warranties. If you're going to sell the "Certificates" at an inflated price, no different than gouging on scalped ticket, then Emotiva should justifiably get a cut. My opinion original owners should only have the priviledge, but who am I to question Big Dan on matters of his own company. JMO.

[roadrunner]

Feb 7, 2010 12:48:55 GMT -5 flamingeye said:

Good , with my spelling, grammar problems never seaming to improve with time and now my glasses are brock so I`m using reading glasses which do not quite work -every thing looks a blur + now upping my meds it`s quite a challenge , it does seam that things do come in threes though

flamingeye

Your post was very easy to understand... no worries. I understand your concern very well. I too pay a severe pain penalty every time a new weather front comes rushing through. If the pain wasn't a big enough impediment to clearly communicating, the potent meds further fog the brain from functioning properly. I struggle to stay focused on what I even started the post about. I frequently have to go back and re-read the previous posts to refresh my memory and hope I can retain it long enough to complete my train of thought.

What would normally take me just a few minutes to write now takes much much longer; and, sometimes the thread has taken a new direction by the time I am able to complete my post. I pray that most readers will be able to follow my train of thought, but when my mental capacity is so diminished I worry others may not understand why my thoughts are so jumbled. Relax, flamingeye, your posts are almost always understandable -- better than many other members who have no handicapped to overcome. I praise you for your effort... just ignore the grammar cops. I appreciate your contribution to the Lounge. ;D ;D ;D